UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Purgatio]

That has been tried. Only works for a limited time.
A handful of generals do not maintain the system alone.

In the end a Bismarckian system is more stable.

Are you really so fanatic in your views that you would rather a high risk system over a little bit of welfare?

I might be a dirty Bismarckian centrist, but views like those you express make me want to be a Posadist. They do not help your cause.

It is easier to keep people in line by simply being less caustic and abrasive in your views.

But I think this is off topic. Why Purgatio’s cyberpunk dystopia sucks is not really UK politics.

I'm not even opposed to hierarchy or class hierarchy. Merely this current system of determining it.

Preferably, any class hierarchy should be determined largely by inheritance. That's the fairest system out there.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes, it is. Because property is not a private matter no matter how much people who benefit from it being seen that way wish it was.

But it is a private matter, borne out of private conveyances, private purchases, private savings, private investment choices, the growing and careful cultivation of a portfolio with private wealth managers for generations, it is ultimately a private and personal family matter and none of society's business how a family chooses to make private investment and savings decisions for their own members and their own children. Just because the estate could be used to alleviate a few social problems here and there does not change the fact that it arose out of private ordering and autonomous structuring of familial life.

Why should society tolerate this if it is not to the benefit of the vast majority of its members?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

[Heloin]

And what if I don’t? Too bad?

Yes

So again, all your stupid plan is is just killing people for having the audacity to not have been born rich like you.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Who's in.

That wouldn't work, because rich people have private healthcare.

You don't have a choice because we broke up and bought out the last guy who tried.

[Purgatio]

I don't care. I'm not sure if Purgatio does, but from what he's said...doubt he does either.

The two of you are going to end up with the biggest, longest bling since Jacob Marley.

I always did disagree with the message of A Christmas Carol. Scrooge did nothing wrong. He didn't deserve to get terrorized by a bunch of busybody ghosts who had better things to do in the afterlife.

[San Lumen]

And what if I don’t? Too bad?

Yes

Lovely. So if one is in need of urgent care due to say a ruptured appendix or a stabbing just pass on if you don’t have 5000 dollars on hand?

[San Lumen]

The two of you are going to end up with the biggest, longest bling since Jacob Marley.

I always did disagree with the message of A Christmas Carol. Scrooge did nothing wrong. He didn't deserve to get terrorized by a bunch of busybody ghosts who had better things to do in the afterlife.

Then you totally missed the point

[Heloin]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

People who care about Human Rights don't want to kill millions.

[Purgatio]

But it is a private matter, borne out of private conveyances, private purchases, private savings, private investment choices, the growing and careful cultivation of a portfolio with private wealth managers for generations, it is ultimately a private and personal family matter and none of society's business how a family chooses to make private investment and savings decisions for their own members and their own children. Just because the estate could be used to alleviate a few social problems here and there does not change the fact that it arose out of private ordering and autonomous structuring of familial life.

Why should society tolerate this if it is not to the benefit of the vast majority of its members?

Because fundamental human rights matters, and individual autonomy and self-determination would not be possible without the rule of law and protection for secure, stable, and safe property rights that endure, all people's ability to earn money and buy things would be imperilled without that basic guarantee, including the middle-class's ability to do so

[The New California Republic]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.

True that. Actively wanting to remove systems in place when removing said systems would result in a huge amount of suffering and huge numbers of easily preventable deaths does tend to rub people the wrong way.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

That wouldn't work, because rich people have private healthcare.

You don't have a choice because we broke up and bought out the last guy who tried.

Besides your "generous donation" by virtue of you walking through the entrance funds the paeds department. Think of the Children!

[Purgatio]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

Lol and I'm studying family law. Our politics rly isn't made for the law subjects we're specializing in haha

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The two of you are going to end up with the biggest, longest bling since Jacob Marley.

I always did disagree with the message of A Christmas Carol. Scrooge did nothing wrong. He didn't deserve to get terrorized by a bunch of busybody ghosts who had better things to do in the afterlife.

I've always found that story so sad, I don't know about you. That perfectly respectable, long-standing businessman was guilted by a group of unpleasant, left-wing ghosts into such a state he'd buy some randomer an expensive turkey just to make them go away.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why should society tolerate this if it is not to the benefit of the vast majority of its members?

Because fundamental human rights matters, and individual autonomy and self-determination would not be possible without the rule of law and protection for secure, stable, and safe property rights that endure, all people's ability to earn money and buy things would be imperilled without that basic guarantee, including the middle-class's ability to do so

Human rights are a social contract which society can amend if they decide they aren't beneficial or desirable. You can have private property without private ownership of the means of production.

[The New California Republic]

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

Your disdain for humans would make you a disgrace to our field.

[Purgatio]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.

Is this addressed to me or GVH? Idk if I should respond if this isn't meant for me.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You don't have a choice because we broke up and bought out the last guy who tried.

Besides your "generous donation" by virtue of you walking through the entrance funds the paeds department. Think of the Children!

The children exact as much sympathy from my heart as their parents.

[Purgatio]

Because fundamental human rights matters, and individual autonomy and self-determination would not be possible without the rule of law and protection for secure, stable, and safe property rights that endure, all people's ability to earn money and buy things would be imperilled without that basic guarantee, including the middle-class's ability to do so

Human rights are a social contract which society can amend if they decide they aren't beneficial or desirable. You can have private property without private ownership of the means of production.

What? How? What's left to own then? No shares in companies? No patents or copyrights? No land?

[Gormwood]

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

Representing some of the biggest human rights abusers of course.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

But I'm doing a human rights degree and hope to become a human rights lawyer.

Your disdain for humans would make you a disgrace to our field.

Not if I'm any good at it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

At this stage I would honestly prefer life under a Mexican drug cartel than the so-called "ideal society" of GVH and Purg.

[Ostroeuropa]

Human rights are a social contract which society can amend if they decide they aren't beneficial or desirable. You can have private property without private ownership of the means of production.

What? How? What's left to own then? No shares in companies? No patents or copyrights? No land?

Right. None of that stuff.

[Purgatio]

I always did disagree with the message of A Christmas Carol. Scrooge did nothing wrong. He didn't deserve to get terrorized by a bunch of busybody ghosts who had better things to do in the afterlife.

I've always found that story so sad, I don't know about you. That perfectly respectable, long-standing businessman was guilted by a group of unpleasant, left-wing ghosts into such a state he'd buy some randomer an expensive turkey just to make them go away.

This is where the law intervenes and allows him to nullify all his gifts on grounds of duress and undue influence. Sorry Tiny Tim, Scrooge's little payment for your hospital bills is now invalid and reversed per The Universe Sentinel and Allcard v. Skinner