UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Demanding payment for putting anesthetic into you or we operate while you are fully awake is pretty Dirlewanger-tier of sadism.

You have the opportunity to choose not to be operated on at all, if you can't afford the anaesthetic and don't want it while awake.

So... sadism?

[Gormwood]

And we've already got MPs demanding the institution of insurance-based health and social care.

So much for "The NHS is not for sale".

It'll be just like America where the insurance companies will squeeze as much money from you as possible only to cap or cancel your policy the moment you actually need to use it.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You have the opportunity to choose not to be operated on at all, if you can't afford the anaesthetic and don't want it while awake.

So... sadism?

o, forcing people to take responsibility for their own healthcare.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Demanding payment for putting anesthetic into you or we operate while you are fully awake is pretty Dirlewanger-tier of sadism.

You have the opportunity to choose not to be operated on at all, if you can't afford the anaesthetic and don't want it while awake.

What if:
Your appendix has burst
We refuse your payment
We refuse under your scheme to anaesthetise you without payment
We still refuse your payment
We give you the choice of going home and dying of sepsis
Or
Be operated while awake.
Pick one and only one.

[Heloin]

So... sadism?

o, forcing people to take responsibility for their own healthcare.

By killing poor people?

[Novus America]

do you think they're going to let you go "well uhhhh sorry guys i don't feel like giving you any money today"?

e: they'd probably tell you "we protect you and enable you to be rich so pay for it" which incidentally is the exact same thing we're also telling you right now

Funding the opulent lifestyles of a tiny handful of generals sounds less expensive than universal healthcare and free college and nationalisation of public services and unemployment insurance and whatever other lefty social programs people want to tax our families to pay for

That has been tried. Only works for a limited time.
A handful of generals do not maintain the system alone.

In the end a Bismarckian system is more stable.

Are you really so fanatic in your views that you would rather a high risk system over a little bit of welfare?

I might be a dirty Bismarckian centrist, but views like those you express make me want to be a Posadist. They do not help your cause.

It is easier to keep people in line by simply being less caustic and abrasive in your views.

But I think this is off topic. Why Purgatio’s cyberpunk dystopia sucks is not really UK politics.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You have the opportunity to choose not to be operated on at all, if you can't afford the anaesthetic and don't want it while awake.

What if:
Your appendix has burst
We refuse your payment
We refuse under your scheme to anaesthetise you without payment
We still refuse your payment
We give you the choice of going home and dying of sepsis
Or
Be operated while awake.
Pick one and only one.

Oh and the toilet? £2000 per go please.

[San Lumen]

I see you forgot your crazy healthcare proposal.

It's grand!
Flu jab, 30 pounds.
This years flu jab, 10 pounds extra.
Needle, 5 pounds.
Syringe, 5 pounds.
Plunger, 5 pounds.

What if the doctor is a racist? Your giving them credence to charge people they don’t like more

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I have a better idea for a hypothetical NHS. We check your bank account before you enter, if you have nothing you pay nothing. If you have a mansion and twenty ferraris you pay £1 million for the privilege of walking in through the entrance.

[Purgatio]

Funding the opulent lifestyles of a tiny handful of generals sounds less expensive than universal healthcare and free college and nationalisation of public services and unemployment insurance and whatever other lefty social programs people want to tax our families to pay for

That has been tried. Only works for a limited time.
A handful of generals do not maintain the system alone.

In the end a Bismarckian system is more stable.

Are you really so fanatic in your views that you would rather a high risk system over a little bit of welfare?

I might be a dirty Bismarckian centrist, but views like those you express make me want to be a Posadist. They do not help your cause.

It is easier to keep people in line by simply being less caustic and abrasive in your views.

But I think this is off topic. Why Purgatio’s cyberpunk dystopia sucks is not really UK politics.

We kinda got to this because GVH, a hardcore Brexiteer that he is, loves to advocate for using Brexit as a platform to turn the UK into a low-tax, deregulated business-friendly paradise, I'm just here to give him moral support since I happen to like the idea and I'm aware he's in the tiny minority here.

[The New California Republic]

You have the opportunity to choose not to be operated on at all, if you can't afford the anaesthetic and don't want it while awake.

What if:
Your appendix has burst
We refuse your payment
We refuse under your scheme to anaesthetise you without payment
We still refuse your payment
We give you the choice of going home and dying of sepsis
Or
Be operated while awake.
Pick one and only one.

I honestly don't think GVH gives a shit whether others would face said choices, given the abject malevolence of the opinions that they have displayed in this thread and others over the course of many months.

[Purgatio]

I have a better idea for a hypothetical NHS. We check your bank account before you enter, if you have nothing you pay nothing. If you have a mansion and twenty ferraris you pay £1 million for the privilege of walking in through the entrance.

Thank god private hospitals are a thing

[San Lumen]

Yet you want to effectively close the door on immigration with a borderline white nationalist view. What makes you better than someone from the Congo or Burma or merely wants a better life in the UK?

I'm not opposed to foreign aid. I just don't think pilfering the best and brightest of foreign nations is a long term solution to fixing those countries.

I just want the State to leave me and my family alone and not bother us with high taxes, let us mind our own business and every other family can mind their own business and do their own thing, is that too much to ask?

Yes, it is. Because property is not a private matter no matter how much people who benefit from it being seen that way wish it was.

That isn’t what’s being done.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You have the opportunity to choose not to be operated on at all, if you can't afford the anaesthetic and don't want it while awake.

What if:
Your appendix has burst
We refuse your payment
We refuse under your scheme to anaesthetise you without payment
We still refuse your payment
We give you the choice of going home and dying of sepsis
Or
Be operated while awake.
Pick one and only one.

Why do you refuse the payment? The payment is a set rate, if you've got the cash you get the product.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I have a better idea for a hypothetical NHS. We check your bank account before you enter, if you have nothing you pay nothing. If you have a mansion and twenty ferraris you pay £1 million for the privilege of walking in through the entrance.

Who's in.

[Ostroeuropa]

Funding the opulent lifestyles of a tiny handful of generals sounds less expensive than universal healthcare and free college and nationalisation of public services and unemployment insurance and whatever other lefty social programs people want to tax our families to pay for

That has been tried. Only works for a limited time.
A handful of generals do not maintain the system alone.

In the end a Bismarckian system is more stable.

Are you really so fanatic in your views that you would rather a high risk system over a little bit of welfare?

I might be a dirty Bismarckian centrist, but views like those you express make me want to be a Posadist. They do not help your cause.

It is easier to keep people in line by simply being less caustic and abrasive in your views.

But I think this is off topic. Why Purgatio’s cyberpunk dystopia sucks is not really UK politics.

I'm not even opposed to hierarchy or class hierarchy. Merely this current system of determining it.

[Northern Davincia]

And we've already got MPs demanding the institution of insurance-based health and social care.

So much for "The NHS is not for sale".

I could not be happier with the results of this election.

[San Lumen]

What if:
Your appendix has burst
We refuse your payment
We refuse under your scheme to anaesthetise you without payment
We still refuse your payment
We give you the choice of going home and dying of sepsis
Or
Be operated while awake.
Pick one and only one.

Oh and the toilet? £2000 per go please.

And walking that’s one pound a step

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I have a better idea for a hypothetical NHS. We check your bank account before you enter, if you have nothing you pay nothing. If you have a mansion and twenty ferraris you pay £1 million for the privilege of walking in through the entrance.

Who's in.

That wouldn't work, because rich people have private healthcare.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What if:
Your appendix has burst
We refuse your payment
We refuse under your scheme to anaesthetise you without payment
We still refuse your payment
We give you the choice of going home and dying of sepsis
Or
Be operated while awake.
Pick one and only one.

Why do you refuse the payment? The payment is a set rate, if you've got the cash you get the product.

We don't recognise blood diamonds as valid means of payment.

[San Lumen]

What if:
Your appendix has burst
We refuse your payment
We refuse under your scheme to anaesthetise you without payment
We still refuse your payment
We give you the choice of going home and dying of sepsis
Or
Be operated while awake.
Pick one and only one.

Why do you refuse the payment? The payment is a set rate, if you've got the cash you get the product.

And what if I don’t? Too bad?

[Gormwood]

I cannot argue humanity and ethics with you, because it seems you have no concept of humanity and ethics. How many preventable deaths? How much preventable suffering?

Fuck them, got mine.

I don't care. I'm not sure if Purgatio does, but from what he's said...doubt he does either.

The two of you are going to end up with the biggest, longest bling since Jacob Marley.

[Purgatio]

I just want the State to leave me and my family alone and not bother us with high taxes, let us mind our own business and every other family can mind their own business and do their own thing, is that too much to ask?

Yes, it is. Because property is not a private matter no matter how much people who benefit from it being seen that way wish it was.

But it is a private matter, borne out of private conveyances, private purchases, private savings, private investment choices, the growing and careful cultivation of a portfolio with private wealth managers for generations, it is ultimately a private and personal family matter and none of society's business how a family chooses to make private investment and savings decisions for their own members and their own children. Just because the estate could be used to alleviate a few social problems here and there does not change the fact that it arose out of private ordering and autonomous structuring of familial life.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why do you refuse the payment? The payment is a set rate, if you've got the cash you get the product.

And what if I don’t? Too bad?

Yes

[Ostroeuropa]

Straight up if more people would die under your system than a system of total ethnic cleansing and genocide perpetuated by bona fide Nazis you don't get to pretend to have the moral high ground or care about "Human" rights and you shouldn't expect civility.

The reason for people responding with borderline "Maybe we should just eat the rich" rhetoric is that you've gone so far off the reservation you're activating peoples anti-fa response.