UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I'm very surprised

I would have voted for him against McKinley, but not against Roosevelt.

Would've thought you would be a McKinley supporter.

Bryan didn't run against Roosevelt anyway. 1908 was against Taft.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I thought you were minor European nobility? Or did they marry out at some point?

Damned near everybody is descended from European nobility.

As in recently

[Salandriagado]

I thought you were minor European nobility? Or did they marry out at some point?


The Conservatives aren't going to realign, and the Tweeters who think they will are hilariously wrong. The Conservatives are going to take this as an endorsement of all their policies when it was a vote for Brexit and against Corbyn. Best option is Blue Labour.

That will be in five years. They can do a lot of damage in that time to the working class

Bold assumption that we'll get a five year parliament there. I remind you that since the passing of the FTPA, no majority government has lasted five years (the only government that did was the Tory-LD coalition that passed it).

[ArranVidLand]

I am 26 years old and I've voted for The Labour Party all of my life and I voted for The Labour Party yesterday. I live in Bolton West where the constituency politician has been a Conservative member for years and I voted for Labour to try and get him out and put the Labour representative, Julie Hilling, in but the numbers weren't enough to oust him. If Julie was the member for Bolton West, I think she would've looked after the hospitals in Bolton West better than Chris and I think she would've provided better social care than Chris. Chris isn't that bad since he removed potholes from the roads but I think Julie would've removed the potholes too if she was given a chance to become the representative. Julie was the Bolton West MP in 2010 but Chris became the new Bolton West MP in 2015 and he has been the Bolton West MP ever since.

Also I would've preferred Jeremy Corbyn to be Prime Minister over Boris Johnson. I voted to remain and yes, I do agree that the people democratically voted to leave in 2016 and that the 2016 result should be respected, but I think Boris' deal doesn't protect Workers rights that much and his deal could worsen the situation in Northern Ireland and threaten The Good Friday Agreement. I think The Labour Party's plan to try and bring up its own deal and then put that deal and remain into a referendum would've been a safer and better idea but unfortunately that now can't happen. There are many leavers out there who don't realize that the financial hardship they're going through is not because of the EU but because of Tory austerity policies. Those particular leavers, many of them up North, would've voted Conservative just to try and make their financial situation better but what they don't understand is that Brexit won't make their financial situation better but it will probably make it worse. In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with wanting to leave the EU, but if the UK does leave the EU then it's likely that the economy of the UK will go down. If the UK's economy and people's livelihoods get better after exiting the EU then that's great but in order for that to happen we need to find a way to make up for the many hardworking European workers who will leave the UK after Brexit and we would need to pull together strongly, work hard and not be divisive against each other.

Neither The Labour Party nor The Conservatives have policies that match every single political opinion I have. To be honest I don't think any Political Party exactly matches all the political opinions I have. However I have always had a similar political viewpoint to The Labour Party but my political viewpoint compared with The Conservatives' viewpoint is far off. Plus I don't want the NHS to be privatized (which I fear will happen under the new Conservative government), I want the poorer people and homeless people to have a decent living standard (which I think will not happen under this new Conservative government) and I'm worried about the prospect of a new tied-in trade deal with Donald Trump's Government which may privatize our NHS, spoil our food standards with chlorinated chicken and beef among other things. On your NationStates Poll I couldn't find a choice that really suited my thoughts on this matter but I went with the bottom one 'devastated' or whatever it said, I can't remember.

But I'm not devastated, I'm just sad but not that sad. I'm sad because of the things I've mentioned above. I'm also worried that England might be going down a hole of far-right extremism and racism and I hope that doesn't happen. Racism and Prejudice is wrong, full stop. At the end of the day, the results of yesterday is part of our democratic system and that's fine. Every few years there will be a general election so on to the next. The things I should focus on, and have always focussed on, is what's happening in my Town and my life, I don't need to bother myself thinking about what's happening miles away down South in London or in the other numerous parts of the UK because I don't live there. I've got decades to live and governments come and go, Prime Ministers come and go, elections come and go...it's just a part of life. Many other countries around the world have elections too and I just live on an Island and in the grand scheme of things I will just move on with my life hour after hour in my home and during my studies. The UK is just a small island on a small planet in an incredibly vast universe so in the grand scheme of things this election and any other election after it is just a small issue in my opinion. I'm just going to move on with my life.

[Bear Stearns]

I would have voted for him against McKinley, but not against Roosevelt.

Would've thought you would be a McKinley supporter.

Why, because I am an investment banker?

I routinely vote against my class interest.

Bryan didn't run against Roosevelt anyway. 1908 was against Taft.

Ah mistake. I might lean a bit more towards Taft. Bryan got increasingly crazier in his later years.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Would've thought you would be a McKinley supporter.

Why, because I am an investment banker?

I routinely vote against my class interest.

That and a Yankee

[Munkcestrian Republic]

That will be in five years. They can do a lot of damage in that time to the working class

Bold assumption that we'll get a five year parliament there. I remind you that since the passing of the FTPA, no majority government has lasted five years (the only government that did was the Tory-LD coalition that passed it).

The Tories have 365 seats.

[Forumland]

I am 26 years old and I've voted for The Labour Party all of my life and I voted for The Labour Party yesterday.

Cool. Any thoughts on why your party did so badly in working class areas?

[San Lumen]

Bold assumption that we'll get a five year parliament there. I remind you that since the passing of the FTPA, no majority government has lasted five years (the only government that did was the Tory-LD coalition that passed it).

The Tories have 365 seats.

The chances are very low you’d get a vote of no confidence to trigger an election

[Vassenor]

Bold assumption that we'll get a five year parliament there. I remind you that since the passing of the FTPA, no majority government has lasted five years (the only government that did was the Tory-LD coalition that passed it).

The Tories have 365 seats.

And?

[Vassenor]

Islamophobia rears its head in the Conservative party. Again.

[Bear Stearns]

Islamophobia rears its head in the Conservative party. Again.

did you just link your personal facebook account

[The Huskar Social Union]

Islamophobia rears its head in the Conservative party. Again.

did you just link your personal facebook account

Im near certain ive seen a few photos of vass on here, doesnt look like them.

Also Katie Hopkins is a cunt, no one should be surprised at a cunt being a cunt.

[ArranVidLand]

Hi :-) I think there may have been a number of reasons why The Labour Party didn't do well in the 'wall or red' former Labour heartlands. Firstly, there were Working Class voters who had most of The Labour Party's policies at heart but they wanted to 'get Brexit done' and for them, The Conservative Party was the one that would get Brexit done for them but in their eyes The Labour Party was sort of dithering on the issue and wouldn't definitively say that it was a Leave Party (many of these 'wall of red' Labour heartlands had a big Leave percentage in the 2016 EU Referendum) so those Working Class people decided to vote for The Conservatives. Secondly, there were some Jewish people who thought that The Labour Party had an anti-semitic problem (I disagree with those people, I think that The Labour Party's anti-semitism problem has been blown out of proportion by the Media and anyway The Conservative Party seems to have a problem with Islamophobia) so those particular Jews voted for The Conservatives instead. Thirdly, there were Working Class people and other people who were put off by Jeremy Corbyn because of his anti-nuclear weapon stance, his refusal to say the National Anthem, his simple, non-posh dress code/way of life/mannerisms and what they deemed to be a Far-Left stance (Personally, I agree with Jeremy Corbyn on his anti-nuclear weapon stance, also I personally don't like The National Anthem because it praises The Royal Family too much when they just live off Taxpayers' money and do virtually nothing whereas a National Anthem should really be praising the country itself and I think Rule Britannia would be a better National Anthem. Also I think I agree with maybe everything that The Labour Party had on its manifesto and yes, it may be a bit more Far Left than usual, but it's not a crazy manifesto. I like Jeremy Corbyn and I think he would've been a good Prime Minister...maybe not the best Labour Prime Minister the UK has ever had but I don't think he would've been that bad).

[ArranVidLand]

Btw my above comment was a reply to the NationStates user 'forumland' :-)

[Xuloqoia]

did you just link your personal facebook account

Im near certain ive seen a few photos of vass on here, doesnt look like them.

Also Katie Hopkins is a cunt, no one should be surprised at a cunt being a cunt.

Katie Hopkins... I'm not up to date on British culture, but isn't she a trashy tabloid "journalist" who's only known for making atrocious takes on everything under the sun?

[Salandriagado]

Bold assumption that we'll get a five year parliament there. I remind you that since the passing of the FTPA, no majority government has lasted five years (the only government that did was the Tory-LD coalition that passed it).

The Tories have 365 seats.

And an avowed intent to revoke the FTPA, and they're likely to have opportunities to call an election that they expect to win well before 5 years from now.

[Salandriagado]

The Tories have 365 seats.

The chances are very low you’d get a vote of no confidence to trigger an election

How, exactly, do you think the 2015 and 2017 elections got called? Because it wasn't by VoNC.

[San Lumen]

The Tories have 365 seats.

And an avowed intent to revoke the FTPA, and they're likely to have opportunities to call an election that they expect to win well before 5 years from now.

I doubt it. If there is a no deal Brexit they would very likely lose a snap election. Conservatives want to repeal the fixed term act?

[Salandriagado]

And an avowed intent to revoke the FTPA, and they're likely to have opportunities to call an election that they expect to win well before 5 years from now.

I doubt it. If there is a no deal Brexit they would very likely lose a snap election

Not if they do it immediately after, before the effects hit. Which has the added bonus that if it does backfire, some fucker else gets stuck with their mess.

[Vassenor]

But yeah I'm guessing we won't be seeing any attempt by Boris Johnson of "Muslim Women look like pillar boxes" fame to distance the party from this crap.

[Dooom35796821595]

But yeah I'm guessing we won't be seeing any attempt by Boris Johnson of "Muslim Women look like pillar boxes" fame to distance the party from this crap.

It’s quite pathetic that that’s all you have to show that anti islam is a major issue in the Conservatives, a joke that the burka looks like like a postbox. (Which it does)

[Gormwood]

But yeah I'm guessing we won't be seeing any attempt by Boris Johnson of "Muslim Women look like pillar boxes" fame to distance the party from this crap.

It's only bad if your party hates Jews. Hating Muslims is patriotic.

[Greater Arab State]

I'm terribly sorry if I derail anything discussed prior to my post, I've just been silently watching this thread for a while now and I thought it would be appropriate for me to post now.

I, as a member of the Conservative Party, found that last nights results were uplifting and provided a positive vision for the United Kingdom in the years going forward, now the delay in fulfilling the democratic desire of the British people can be delivered upon and after, a government truly governing for the nation can address the want, demands and desires of the people of the United Kingdom. I was proud to see within my own constituency a substantial increase in our majority, one that was quite visible as we canvassed and leafleted. However, I realise and indeed find that some results were unfortunate, particularly Birkenhead where Frank Field was unseated.

[Greater Loegria]

Just going to leave this here