UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Zurkerx]

Regardless now, the EU next year will have one less member, and likely I think we'll see a hard exit.

The big Tory majority makes no deal less likely, not more.

Really? He has a plan? Huh. It must be a terrible one then.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

I hope the deluded members of Labour elect McDonnell, because in 5 years time I want a little nostalgic repeat of yesterday.

[Fartsniffage]

I hope the deluded members of Labour elect McDonnell, because in 5 years time I want a little nostalgic repeat of yesterday.

He's said he doesn't want it.

[Lower Nubia]

Aside from the plurality of those voting voting for the anti-Brexit parties.

Don't undersell it: LAB+LD+SNP+GRN is 50.3%.

And Plaid Cymru...

[The New California Republic]

It's no deal, with a delay.

Practically? Yeah. 11 months does not get you a new European trade deal.

Several revolutions in the past have been caused by a sudden halt or decline in the perceived quality of life of the population at large. Sudden price rises and a shortage of goods caused by crashing out with no trade deal would likely create those kinds of conditions in the short and medium term, and that's fucking dangerous.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

I hope the deluded members of Labour elect McDonnell, because in 5 years time I want a little nostalgic repeat of yesterday.

hello any reason why you ignored my posts proving you wrong?

[Aureumterra]

We might follow the Tory strategy for our own elections, since Euroscepticism is at an all time high here

[Bears Armed]

Wait, Wrexham is in Wales?

It's in Wales (just...), but its football team plays in the English association rather than the Welsh one.

[The New California Republic]

The big Tory majority makes no deal less likely, not more.

Really? He has a plan? Huh. It must be a terrible one then.

He had a deal, it's just that Parliament didn't agree to it. That is likely to be far less of a problem now with such a clear majority in Parliament.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

6% lower then, 25% lower now

(idk why Trumptonium wants to argue this instead of, idk, working to make the Tories more attractive to young people again)

(if they'd actually gone for home ownership and abolishing tuition fees they wouldn't be in this mess)

because the division is no bigger today than it was 20 years ago.

in fact, the only divisions that grew is the gender division. men and women voted with zero difference up until about 1997, nowadays it's a 10% different if not more.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Conservatives hold St Ives with a majority of 78 4284

EDIT got the majority wrong. Need more sleep

[Salandriagado]

Conservatives hold St Ives with a majority of 78.

Huh, that bucks the trend a bit.

[Hirota]

I hope the deluded members of Labour elect McDonnell, because in 5 years time I want a little nostalgic repeat of yesterday.

hello any reason why you ignored my posts proving you wrong?

Because it's your original claim that needs to be proven right, not the challenge that needs to be proven wrong.

And you didn't.

[New Bremerton]

All 18 party defectors lost their seats in this election. The populace does not look kindly on traitors.

[Philjia]

All 18 party defectors lost their seats in this election. The populace does not look kindly on traitors.

The populace votes for parties not people.

[The New California Republic]

All 18 party defectors lost their seats in this election. The populace does not look kindly on traitors.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

We might follow the Tory strategy for our own elections, since Euroscepticism is at an all time high here

Looking forward to Icelandic parties campaigning with the slogan "Get Brexit Done"

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Here’s a rather nasty point: if the Brexit deal passes through Parliament, a new deadline comes into being, and one that is not subject to extensions. A new slide towards no deal, but this time with no brakes, based on the idea that somehow the UK can come to an agreement about very single part of their economies where an agreement just about the transition period took three bloody years.

Jesus, this is a fucking disaster.

Edit: anyone think it’s possible to get a new air transport agreement in with the EU as well as the US in 11 months? Or fishery agreements with all coastal EU members, plus Norway and Iceland, while keeping in mind the fucking Irish sea exists?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

(idk why Trumptonium wants to argue this instead of, idk, working to make the Tories more attractive to young people again)

(if they'd actually gone for home ownership and abolishing tuition fees they wouldn't be in this mess)

because the division is no bigger today than it was 20 years ago.

in fact, the only divisions that grew is the gender division. men and women voted with zero difference up until about 1997, nowadays it's a 10% different if not more.

27% Tory in 1997, only 3% below the national average

(25-34 was 28% Tory)

so... no. sorry, but no. also, wrong on gender too! women were more conservative than men until Blair. it's just swapped the other way round.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

hello any reason why you ignored my posts proving you wrong?

Because it's your original claim that needs to be proven right, not the challenge that needs to be proven wrong.

And you didn't.

i did, though

[The Archregimancy]

Polly Toynbee unleashes on Corbyn:

Labour was disastrously, catastrophically bad, an agony to behold. A coterie of Corbynites cared more about gripping power within the party than saving the country by winning the election. The national executive committee, a slate of nodding Corbynite place-persons, disgraced the party with its sectarian decisions. Once it was plain in every poll and focus group that Corbynism was electoral arsenic, they should have propelled him out, but electoral victory was secondary.

Should we laugh or cry at Corbyn’s announcement that he wouldn’t stand for another election? He should have gone before dawn. Any possible or impossible successor will clear out that Len McCluskey clique – Karie Murphy, Seumas Milne, Andrew Murray and others who propped up the old fellow to secure their own power base – with results worse than Michael Foot. Watch them try to divert blame onto “Corbyn-disloyalists”, remainers and ”Blairites”.

Corbyn is not an amoral man. He can never tell a lie: pretending to watch the Queen’s Christmas message in the morning showed he’s not used to fibbing. He is a man without any qualities required of a leader, mental agility, articulacy, strategy, good humour or charisma.

Yet his legacy is of historic importance: he did this country profound, nation-splitting, irreparable harm. Had he led his party and the unions full tilt against Brexit, the narrowly lost referendum could have been won. But he and his cabal refused outright: when beseeched, they said they were too busy with May’s local elections. He wouldn’t share any remain platform. Festering Bennite 1970s ideologies blinded his sect from seeing Brexit was the far right’s weapon of buccaneering destruction. He could have saved us – but he obfuscated.

Corbyn came weighted with baggage too heavy for a Hercules to shift: the IRA, the Hamas friends, Venezuela. But antisemitism was accusation he could not shift. I am certain he sees no stain of it in himself, refusing to comprehend it, and so could not apologise. Failure to purge every case left candidates on the doorstep dumbstruck when anyone said “I can’t vote for an antisemite”. And remember that early refusal to sing the national anthem? Voters’ first impression was his deep-seated aversion to expressing patriotism.

The campaign was chaotic, all front-bench talent banished for fear of outshining the leader. Toe-curlingly bad performers and insignificants were punted up as loyalists, while serious heavyweights Keir Starmer and Emily Thornberry might as well have been shut in Johnson’s freezer. Even John McDonnell, better by far than Corbyn, was largely kept from the cameras. Corbyn’s sectarian grudges prevented any effort to heal the party’s rift, leaving immense talent wasted on the back benches.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ism-brexit

No, go on Polly - tell us what you really think.


She does go on to say that 'Here’s the real tragedy. The manifesto was essentially magnificent'. I can't say I really agree with her on that point - I'm not a Labour voter, after all - but I do agree that it should be possible to support Corbyn's policies while nonetheless grasping that he was the worst party leader since Henderson, and with a strong claim to be the worst Labour leader in history. As I wrote earlier today, the talents that make someone a respected campaigning backbench MP are not the same as the talents that make an effective party leader. Corbyn has been a disaster.

The sooner Corbyn partisans recognise that, the better - both for party and country.

[The New California Republic]

Here’s a rather nasty point: if the Brexit deal passes through Parliament, a new deadline comes into being, and one that is not subject to extensions. A new slide towards no deal, but this time with no brakes, based on the idea that somehow the UK can come to an agreement about very single part of their economies where an agreement just about the transition period took three bloody years.

Jesus, this is a fucking disaster.

Edit: anyone think it’s possible to get a new air transport agreement in with the EU as well as the US in 11 months? Or fishery agreements with all coastal EU members, plus Norway and Iceland, while keeping in mind the fucking Irish sea exists?

I want to get off Bojo's Wild Ride, but not that way.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Momentum should change their name to Inertia.

[The Blaatschapen]

All 18 party defectors lost their seats in this election. The populace does not look kindly on traitors.

They got chuked out.

[The Archregimancy]

Momentum should change their name to Inertia.

That implies stasis rather than actively going backwards.

'Counterincentive' would likely be a better antonym under the current circumstances.