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by Vassenor » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:57 am
by The Archregimancy » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:59 am
Vassenor wrote:So there was no actual anti-Brexit party then by that definition.
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:59 am
Vassenor wrote:So there was no actual anti-Brexit party then by that definition.
by Salandriagado » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:01 am
The Archregimancy wrote:Salandriagado wrote:
My claim is specifically that a narrow majority voted against Brexit. I'm specifically claiming that Labour voters don't want to leave, and voted for them to block the Tories. (And I skipped PC/SDLP/SF because I just added parties in until I got over 50%).
Then you're wrong.
Labour's ambiguous Brexit policy was deliberately designed to avoid alienating either Leavers or Remainers; we therefore should not assume that all 10,292,354 Labour voters 'didn't want to leave'.
It's certainly likely that a good majority of Labour voters would have supported Remain in a second referendum; but by no means all of them. So you're making the statistical error of assuming a majority should be taken as representing the totality of a data set when combining that data set with others.
And again, Labour was not an anti-Brexit party - only a pro-second referendum party.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:05 am
Salandriagado wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
Then you're wrong.
Labour's ambiguous Brexit policy was deliberately designed to avoid alienating either Leavers or Remainers; we therefore should not assume that all 10,292,354 Labour voters 'didn't want to leave'.
It's certainly likely that a good majority of Labour voters would have supported Remain in a second referendum; but by no means all of them. So you're making the statistical error of assuming a majority should be taken as representing the totality of a data set when combining that data set with others.
And again, Labour was not an anti-Brexit party - only a pro-second referendum party.
No, I'm merely saying that you can't assume the contrary. And also that they're probably approximately balanced out by Tory voters who don't want to leave.
by Salandriagado » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:10 am
by Salandriagado » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:12 am
by Philjia » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:13 am
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by Vassenor » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:14 am
by Philjia » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:14 am
Nemesis the Warlock wrote:I am the Nemesis, I am the Warlock, I am the shape of things to come, the Lord of the Flies, holder of the Sword Sinister, the Death Bringer, I am the one who waits on the edge of your dreams, I am all these things and many more
by Fartsniffage » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:14 am
Salandriagado wrote:Unsurprisingly, Corbyn's gone.
by Turbofolkia » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:15 am
Salandriagado wrote:Unsurprisingly, Corbyn's gone.
by Vassenor » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:16 am
Fartsniffage wrote:Salandriagado wrote:Unsurprisingly, Corbyn's gone.
He isn't gone yet. Just said that he won't lead Labour into the next election. He's still leader.
by Philjia » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:16 am
Vassenor wrote:So what do we make of what happened in Kensington?
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by Salandriagado » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:17 am
Fartsniffage wrote:Salandriagado wrote:Unsurprisingly, Corbyn's gone.
He isn't gone yet. Just said that he won't lead Labour into the next election. He's still leader.
by Hirota » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:17 am
Sure, but they knew what they are voting for. The Tory manifesto isn't particularly hard to read even for the most ardent Tribalist pro-Euro Tory.
by Hirota » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:18 am
Dead man walking.Fartsniffage wrote:Salandriagado wrote:Unsurprisingly, Corbyn's gone.
He isn't gone yet. Just said that he won't lead Labour into the next election. He's still leader.
by Fartsniffage » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:18 am
by Zurkerx » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:18 am
Salandriagado wrote:Unsurprisingly, Corbyn's gone.
by Hirota » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:20 am
Better to pull the plaster off now whilst the election hurts rather than keep gently pulling and tugging and extending the pain.
by Turbofolkia » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:23 am
by The New California Republic » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:23 am
Zurkerx wrote:Regardless now, the EU next year will have one less member, and likely I think we'll see a hard exit.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:28 am
Fartsniffage wrote:Vassenor wrote:
And apparently its problematic that hes waiting for a replacement to be chosen rather than pulling the rug out from under the party.
Yes, it is. Because he'll still be the ineffective leader he's been thus far through us leaving the EU in January. He should get out of the way.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:31 am
by Hirota » Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:31 am
That the idea of blocking Tories at any cost and trusting a website to help was a dangerous one that backfired.Vassenor wrote:So what do we make of what happened in Kensington?
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