UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Marxist Germany]

There's your second referendum, people want Brexit.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

The genuinely sad thing, is if we had MMP we would have an entirely different future outcome. I’m not concerned about Corbyn’s loss, the EHRC’s report on anti-semitism, the IFS’s analysis on Labour’s manifesto concerning tax, made Corbyn’s position weaker. While Boris’s EU deal is hardly fiscally conservative, his parties islamophobia, and deceit in this election should have made the electorate question a vote for either. Apparently, however, the sunk cost fallacy over Brexit was all the electorate really ever needed. I’m glad I spoiled my ballot

What's MMP?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

There's your second referendum, people want Brexit.

Your country left a hundred years ago, don't see why you're dictating politics to us

[Hirota]

For those who missed it...

Alan Johnson rips into Jon Lansman and Momentum live on ITV.

Clearly not all senior party figures believe that the core problem is unfair media coverage of the leader.

Those two analogies Alan Johnson uses made me think of Corbyn as a flaming turd. What else stinks on your doorstep and is in a paper bag?

[Vassenor]

There's your second referendum, people want Brexit.

Aside from the plurality of those voting voting for the anti-Brexit parties.

[Hirota]

The genuinely sad thing, is if we had MMP we would have an entirely different future outcome. I’m not concerned about Corbyn’s loss, the EHRC’s report on anti-semitism, the IFS’s analysis on Labour’s manifesto concerning tax, made Corbyn’s position weaker. While Boris’s EU deal is hardly fiscally conservative, his parties islamophobia, and deceit in this election should have made the electorate question a vote for either. Apparently, however, the sunk cost fallacy over Brexit was all the electorate really ever needed. I’m glad I spoiled my ballot

What's MMP?

Mixed-member proportional representation.

[Lower Nubia]

There's your second referendum, people want Brexit.

Aside from the plurality of those voting voting for the anti-Brexit parties.

You mean the majority. Over 54*% of voters wanted second referendum parties.

*Forgot the BP.

[Marxist Germany]

There's your second referendum, people want Brexit.

Your country left a hundred years ago, don't see why you're dictating politics to us

Not quite 100, and I am only making observations.

Wonderful day for Nationalists in NI.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

So did young people not vote, or did they mainly vote Conservative?

like 10% of young people voted Tory

The Tories are absolutely fucked in the long term and before someone goes "uh young people have always voted Labour" no they haven't, that's a myth and the youth vote was until very recently largely in line with the overall vote. Speaking as someone who should be a Tory but isn't

[The Huskar Social Union]

Alright so national results, absolute clusterfuck, this place is screwed, im quickly entering a period of "I dont give a fuck" about mainland UK politics, just like i was prior to 2015.


Locally however.... i was kind of.. happy with how it turned out, very much so (as some of you witnessed in this very thread) so im gona do a little breakdown of how things went in Northern Ireland last night:

OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF VOTE:

DUP 30.6%
Sinn Féin 22.8%
Alliance Party 16.8%
SDLP 14.9%
UUP 11.7%
Aontú 1.2%
Others:2.0%

VOTE SHARE CHANGE FROM 2017:
DUP: -5.4%
Sinn Fein: -6.7%
Alliance Party: +8.8
SDLP: 3.1%
UUP: 1.4%
Aontu: 1.2%

SEATS:
DUP: 8 -2
Sinn Fein: 7 NOC)
Alliance Party: 1 +1
SDLP: 2 +2
Oths: 0 -1

DUP lost North and South Belfast, Sinn Fein lost Foyle but gained North Belfast, Alliance gained North Down, SDLP gained Foyle and South Belfast.

I am over the moon with this result, 3/4 MP's in Belfast are Nationalist, the DUP only held East Belfast by 1800 votes with Alliance right behind them. Alliance took North Down which i thought would go DUP, and the SDLP took Foyle as well as South Belfast giving them 2 MP's. DUP and Sinn Fein's vote share is down quite considerably, with the Alliance party enjoying quite a large swing in their favour, moving into second place in several Unionist dominated areas ahead of the UUP.

I was honestly surprised how much of a beating Sinn Fein took last night, they didnt lose any seats but their vote share got obliterated in some constituencies, down 19% in Foyle, down 12.9% in my home constituency of West Belfast. But despite that they balanced out in seats, as i mentioned above, losing one but taking another.

The DUP and Loyalism are the big losers of this election easily, the DUP took some serious hits in Belfast and lost a fair few votes in other seats they held onto, making it likely someone, namely alliance might be able to try and wrestle them away from them in the future.

Nationalism did really well last night, with three historic wins, taking North Belfast and getting a majority of MP's in Belfast, and the SDLP picked up its votes as Sinn Fein's dropped, evening it out a bit. And overall, there are now more Nationalist MP's than there are Unionist MP's, 9-7 which is fucking monumental.

Alliance also did really well last night, taking a seat, coming close to taking another and moving solidly into second place in several other constituencies and enjoying the biggest swing in the vote, it seems the surge from the local and MEP elections continued on. THE YELLOW TIDE BITCHES YE YE YE YE YE

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Your country left a hundred years ago, don't see why you're dictating politics to us

Not quite 100, and I am only making observations.

Wonderful day for Nationalists in NI.

For Alliance, not Nationalists

[Lower Nubia]

Alright so national results, absolute clusterfuck, this place is screwed, im quickly entering a period of "I dont give a fuck" about mainland UK politics, just like i was prior to 2015.


Locally however.... i was kind of.. happy with how it turned out, very much so (as some of you witnessed in this very thread) so im gona do a little breakdown of how things went in Northern Ireland last night:

OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF VOTE:

DUP 30.6%
Sinn Féin 22.8%
Alliance Party 16.8%
SDLP 14.9%
UUP 11.7%
Aontú 1.2%
Others:2.0%

VOTE SHARE CHANGE FROM 2017:
DUP: -5.4%
Sinn Fein: -6.7%
Alliance Party: +8.8
SDLP: 3.1%
UUP: 1.4%
Aontu: 1.2%

SEATS:
DUP: 8 -2
Sinn Fein: 7 NOC)
Alliance Party: 1 +1
SDLP: 2 +2
Oths: 0 -1

DUP lost North and South Belfast, Sinn Fein lost Foyle but gained North Belfast, Alliance gained North Down, SDLP gained Foyle and South Belfast.

I am over the moon with this result, 3/4 MP's in Belfast are Nationalist, the DUP only held East Belfast by 1800 votes with Alliance right behind them. Alliance took North Down which i thought would go DUP, and the SDLP took Foyle as well as South Belfast giving them 2 MP's. DUP and Sinn Fein's vote share is down quite considerably, with the Alliance party enjoying quite a large swing in their favour, moving into second place in several Unionist dominated areas ahead of the UUP.

I was honestly surprised how much of a beating Sinn Fein took last night, they didnt lose any seats but their vote share got obliterated in some constituencies, down 19% in Foyle, down 12.9% in my home constituency of West Belfast. But despite that they balanced out in seats, as i mentioned above, losing one but taking another.

The DUP and Loyalism are the big losers of this election easily, the DUP took some serious hits in Belfast and lost a fair few votes in other seats they held onto, making it likely someone, namely alliance might be able to try and wrestle them away from them in the future.

Nationalism did really well last night, with three historic wins, taking North Belfast and getting a majority of MP's in Belfast, and the SDLP picked up its votes as Sinn Fein's dropped, evening it out a bit. And overall, there are now more Nationalist MP's than there are Unionist MP's, 9-7 which is fucking monumental.

Alliance also did really well last night, taking a seat, coming close to taking another and moving solidly into second place in several other constituencies and enjoying the biggest swing in the vote, it seems the surge from the local and MEP elections continued on. THE YELLOW TIDE BITCHES YE YE YE YE YE

Counter intuitively, are you thinking that rural NI is becoming unionist, while the cities are becoming republican?

[Marxist Germany]

Not quite 100, and I am only making observations.

Wonderful day for Nationalists in NI.

For Alliance, not Nationalists

1 seat?

[Munkcestrian Republic]

For Alliance, not Nationalists

1 seat?

first-past-the-post

[Munkcestrian Republic]

1 seat?

first-past-the-post

so yeah, constituency results are fucked especially in NI, but Unionists and Nationalists overall lost votes while Alliance more than doubled their share of the vote

[The New California Republic]

Still happy as a clam that Fife North East was snatched from SNP. The rest of the result is shit, but I was most interested in this seat.

[Marxist Germany]

1 seat?

first-past-the-post

Yeah but nationalists have a majority

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Still happy as a clam that Fife North East was snatched from SNP. The rest of the result is shit, but I was most interested in this seat.

Yeah Jo Swinson lost her seat and you were looking at losing Orkney and Shetland but at least you got Fife North East

[Lower Nubia]

Still happy as a clam that Fife North East was snatched from SNP. The rest of the result is shit, but I was most interested in this seat.

I did not like Jo Swinson. That is all.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

first-past-the-post

Yeah but nationalists have a majority

Sinn Fein don't take their seats, so no actually and popular vote is 39% Nationalist

[Chan Island]

Alright so national results, absolute clusterfuck, this place is screwed, im quickly entering a period of "I dont give a fuck" about mainland UK politics, just like i was prior to 2015.


Locally however.... i was kind of.. happy with how it turned out, very much so (as some of you witnessed in this very thread) so im gona do a little breakdown of how things went in Northern Ireland last night:

OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF VOTE:

DUP 30.6%
Sinn Féin 22.8%
Alliance Party 16.8%
SDLP 14.9%
UUP 11.7%
Aontú 1.2%
Others:2.0%

VOTE SHARE CHANGE FROM 2017:
DUP: -5.4%
Sinn Fein: -6.7%
Alliance Party: +8.8
SDLP: 3.1%
UUP: 1.4%
Aontu: 1.2%

SEATS:
DUP: 8 -2
Sinn Fein: 7 NOC)
Alliance Party: 1 +1
SDLP: 2 +2
Oths: 0 -1

DUP lost North and South Belfast, Sinn Fein lost Foyle but gained North Belfast, Alliance gained North Down, SDLP gained Foyle and South Belfast.

I am over the moon with this result, 3/4 MP's in Belfast are Nationalist, the DUP only held East Belfast by 1800 votes with Alliance right behind them. Alliance took North Down which i thought would go DUP, and the SDLP took Foyle as well as South Belfast giving them 2 MP's. DUP and Sinn Fein's vote share is down quite considerably, with the Alliance party enjoying quite a large swing in their favour, moving into second place in several Unionist dominated areas ahead of the UUP.

I was honestly surprised how much of a beating Sinn Fein took last night, they didnt lose any seats but their vote share got obliterated in some constituencies, down 19% in Foyle, down 12.9% in my home constituency of West Belfast. But despite that they balanced out in seats, as i mentioned above, losing one but taking another.

The DUP and Loyalism are the big losers of this election easily, the DUP took some serious hits in Belfast and lost a fair few votes in other seats they held onto, making it likely someone, namely alliance might be able to try and wrestle them away from them in the future.

Nationalism did really well last night, with three historic wins, taking North Belfast and getting a majority of MP's in Belfast, and the SDLP picked up its votes as Sinn Fein's dropped, evening it out a bit. And overall, there are now more Nationalist MP's than there are Unionist MP's, 9-7 which is fucking monumental.

Alliance also did really well last night, taking a seat, coming close to taking another and moving solidly into second place in several other constituencies and enjoying the biggest swing in the vote, it seems the surge from the local and MEP elections continued on. THE YELLOW TIDE BITCHES YE YE YE YE YE

It’s a pity Alliance only got one seat. One poll had them on 3 and they honestly would have deserved that result. Still, anything that makes the DUP quiver in the night is a satisfactory outcome in my books.

[The New California Republic]

Still happy as a clam that Fife North East was snatched from SNP. The rest of the result is shit, but I was most interested in this seat.

Yeah Jo Swinson lost her seat and you were looking at losing Orkney and Shetland but at least you got Fife North East

You weren't here last night when I said that Swinson going was the icing on the cake, as that was exactly what I was hoping for, so using that to try to rain on my parade is wide of the mark buddy.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Still happy as a clam that Fife North East was snatched from SNP. The rest of the result is shit, but I was most interested in this seat.

I did not like Jo Swinson. That is all.

Can't decide what was better, her running a presidential campaign only to find out the electorate hated her or her doing the whole "i could be the next prime minister!!" thing and then losing her seat

[The Huskar Social Union]

Alright so national results, absolute clusterfuck, this place is screwed, im quickly entering a period of "I dont give a fuck" about mainland UK politics, just like i was prior to 2015.


Locally however.... i was kind of.. happy with how it turned out, very much so (as some of you witnessed in this very thread) so im gona do a little breakdown of how things went in Northern Ireland last night:

OVERALL PERCENTAGE OF VOTE:

DUP 30.6%
Sinn Féin 22.8%
Alliance Party 16.8%
SDLP 14.9%
UUP 11.7%
Aontú 1.2%
Others:2.0%

VOTE SHARE CHANGE FROM 2017:
DUP: -5.4%
Sinn Fein: -6.7%
Alliance Party: +8.8
SDLP: 3.1%
UUP: 1.4%
Aontu: 1.2%

SEATS:
DUP: 8 -2
Sinn Fein: 7 NOC)
Alliance Party: 1 +1
SDLP: 2 +2
Oths: 0 -1

DUP lost North and South Belfast, Sinn Fein lost Foyle but gained North Belfast, Alliance gained North Down, SDLP gained Foyle and South Belfast.

I am over the moon with this result, 3/4 MP's in Belfast are Nationalist, the DUP only held East Belfast by 1800 votes with Alliance right behind them. Alliance took North Down which i thought would go DUP, and the SDLP took Foyle as well as South Belfast giving them 2 MP's. DUP and Sinn Fein's vote share is down quite considerably, with the Alliance party enjoying quite a large swing in their favour, moving into second place in several Unionist dominated areas ahead of the UUP.

I was honestly surprised how much of a beating Sinn Fein took last night, they didnt lose any seats but their vote share got obliterated in some constituencies, down 19% in Foyle, down 12.9% in my home constituency of West Belfast. But despite that they balanced out in seats, as i mentioned above, losing one but taking another.

The DUP and Loyalism are the big losers of this election easily, the DUP took some serious hits in Belfast and lost a fair few votes in other seats they held onto, making it likely someone, namely alliance might be able to try and wrestle them away from them in the future.

Nationalism did really well last night, with three historic wins, taking North Belfast and getting a majority of MP's in Belfast, and the SDLP picked up its votes as Sinn Fein's dropped, evening it out a bit. And overall, there are now more Nationalist MP's than there are Unionist MP's, 9-7 which is fucking monumental.

Alliance also did really well last night, taking a seat, coming close to taking another and moving solidly into second place in several other constituencies and enjoying the biggest swing in the vote, it seems the surge from the local and MEP elections continued on. THE YELLOW TIDE BITCHES YE YE YE YE YE

Counter intuitively, are you thinking that rural NI is becoming unionist, while the cities are becoming republican?

Not necessarily, SInn Fein held onto the border regions which are quite rural, especially Fermanagh and South Tyrone, and West Tyrone.

I think its a combination of two things, anti DUP voting by moderate unionists and remainers, and the gradual Demographic change that was bound to happen eventually. There is a significant chunk of Unionists who were pro remain too, and that has only risen over time from what ive seen in the polls, so the DUP being pro brexit and helping reside over the shit show for the last few years has turned on them, causing many voters to go to the Alliance party.

The Unionist population is also not growing as fast the Nationalist population is, so it was bound to happen eventually that places like North Belfast, which is split down the middle in terms of demographics, would flip. Finucane being the lord mayor of Belfast, and his family's past such as his fathers murder in the troubles, probably helped his campaign a good bit in getting more nationalists out to vote.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Yeah Jo Swinson lost her seat and you were looking at losing Orkney and Shetland but at least you got Fife North East

You weren't here last night when I said that Swinson going was the icing on the cake, as that was exactly what I was hoping for, so using that to try to rain on my parade is wide of the mark buddy.

I wasn't here last night because I was sleeping because I wasn't staying up to watch fucking Bolsover go blue