UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Dresderstan]

LDs had the biggest UK wide increase in the share of the vote at 4.2% yet had a net loss of 1 seat. Yeah... I don't think the LD return as the third option will happen for another 5-10 years.

[Heloin]

"We're not the problem, they're the problem." I'll give it to the Labour supporters that they at least seem to recognise their parties failings in this regard.

There were plenty of problems with the LibDem campaign. It was too presidential, it was too focused on Brexit, it started off with unrealistic hubris on the part of the leadership. It was clearly a disastrous failure; we lost our leader, the policy we're currently best-known for is about to become redundant, and there will be a lot of soul-searching over both strategy and tactics in the coming months.

Being 'not being nice enough to Labour' is not really the problem; that's generally the reaction we get from Labour supporters who can't get it out of their heads that LibDem supporters aren't just lost Labour voters who'd allow Labour to win if only they woke up and voted Labour like they're supposed to.

And why on earth should we have bent over backwards to cosy up to a party led by the unmitigated disaster that's been Jeremy Corbyn? For an awful lot of LibDem voters, last night vindicated our judgement that Corbyn was singularly unfit to ever be Prime Minister.

I never said any of that, least not intentionally, I just think both parties being general shitheads to each other rather then trying to work together screwed them both. Both the Lib Dems and Labour are to blame for that.

There are many, many other reasons why both lost, but this is a key point that if addressed at the beginning of the campaigning could have easily solved many of those issues.

[The Archregimancy]

I voted that I am disappointed but that I see some positives.

The one positive is that it is now again completely up to one party to finalise Brexit. This might help in being effective with it.

That; the Tories now own Brexit. If they can't make it work, they have no one else in the UK to blame (though expect to see plenty of blame directed at Brussels; this will go on for years).

And this result will finally force Labour to get rid of Corbyn, though I see that - in typical Corbyn style - he can't even resign properly, what with this staying on for a 'period of reflection' nonsense.

And the DUP had a very poor night; small mercies.

[The Archregimancy]

There were plenty of problems with the LibDem campaign. It was too presidential, it was too focused on Brexit, it started off with unrealistic hubris on the part of the leadership. It was clearly a disastrous failure; we lost our leader, the policy we're currently best-known for is about to become redundant, and there will be a lot of soul-searching over both strategy and tactics in the coming months.

Being 'not being nice enough to Labour' is not really the problem; that's generally the reaction we get from Labour supporters who can't get it out of their heads that LibDem supporters aren't just lost Labour voters who'd allow Labour to win if only they woke up and voted Labour like they're supposed to.

And why on earth should we have bent over backwards to cosy up to a party led by the unmitigated disaster that's been Jeremy Corbyn? For an awful lot of LibDem voters, last night vindicated our judgement that Corbyn was singularly unfit to ever be Prime Minister.

I never said any of that, least not intentionally, I just think both parties being general shitheads to each other rather then trying to work together screwed them both. Both the Lib Dems and Labour are to blame for that.

My response to this specific point would be precisely the same as SD_Film Artists's. So we'll likely just have to agree to disagree.

[Greater Loegria]

Good

Look at that. You and I agree on something.

There’s normally common ground somewhere

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Look at that. You and I agree on something.

There’s normally common ground somewhere

how's it going, Gaul

[SD_Film Artists]

I voted that I am disappointed but that I see some positives.

This. If the Tories gained a majority by just a handful of MPs then I would have felt cheated as I was hoping for a hung parliament, but if we're going to have a Tory government then at least we're doing it properly by thoroughly screwing Labour.

[Purgatio]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18098627.boris-johnson-says-brexit-will-get-done-january-31-no-ifs-no-buts/

“We must recognise the incredible reality that we now speak as a one nation Conservative Party literally for everyone from Woking to Workington, from Kensington I’m proud to say to Clwyd South, from Surrey Heath to Sedgefield, from Wimbledon to Wolverhampton.”

He added: “Parliament must change so that we in Parliament are working for you the British people.”

Mr Johnson said Brexit will get done by January 31 “no ifs, no buts”.

He said: “And I will make it my mission to work night and day, flat out to prove that you were right in voting for me this time, and to earn your support in the future.

Looks like Prime Minister Johnson has spoken, a (likely no-deal) Brexit by 31 January 2020. Oh boy, this will be entertaining.

[The Archregimancy]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18098627.boris-johnson-says-brexit-will-get-done-january-31-no-ifs-no-buts/

“We must recognise the incredible reality that we now speak as a one nation Conservative Party literally for everyone from Woking to Workington, from Kensington I’m proud to say to Clwyd South, from Surrey Heath to Sedgefield, from Wimbledon to Wolverhampton.”

He added: “Parliament must change so that we in Parliament are working for you the British people.”

Mr Johnson said Brexit will get done by January 31 “no ifs, no buts”.

He said: “And I will make it my mission to work night and day, flat out to prove that you were right in voting for me this time, and to earn your support in the future.

Looks like Prime Minister Johnson has spoken, a (likely no-deal) Brexit by 31 January 2020. Oh boy, this will be entertaining.

You're mistaken; there will be a deal.

Parliament will now move the legislation to approve Johnson's deal before Christmas, and this will pass in time for the UK to leave the EU by the 31st of January.

The potential for no deal now comes in the subsequent trade negotiations, and the possibility that the government will simply walk out those negotiations without reaching a deal if no agreement is reached by the relevant deadline.

[Vassenor]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18098627.boris-johnson-says-brexit-will-get-done-january-31-no-ifs-no-buts/

“We must recognise the incredible reality that we now speak as a one nation Conservative Party literally for everyone from Woking to Workington, from Kensington I’m proud to say to Clwyd South, from Surrey Heath to Sedgefield, from Wimbledon to Wolverhampton.”

He added: “Parliament must change so that we in Parliament are working for you the British people.”

Mr Johnson said Brexit will get done by January 31 “no ifs, no buts”.

He said: “And I will make it my mission to work night and day, flat out to prove that you were right in voting for me this time, and to earn your support in the future.

Looks like Prime Minister Johnson has spoken, a (likely no-deal) Brexit by 31 January 2020. Oh boy, this will be entertaining.

You're mistaken; there will be a deal.

Parliament will now move the legislation to approve Johnson's deal before Christmas, and this will pass in time for the UK to leave the EU by the 31st of January.

The potential for no deal now comes in the subsequent trade negotiations, and the possibility that the government will simply walk out those negotiations without reaching a deal if no agreement is reached by the relevant deadline.

Is it really a possibility when Boris has stated that's his intent?

[Greater Loegria]

Hmm, based and redpilled. My mood has improved.

[Vassenor]

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Hmm, based and redpilled. My mood has improved.

Cool story bro.

[The Archregimancy]

Prediction for next LibDem leadership contest for the small number of you who care:

Ed Davey versus Layla Moran, with Davey winning.

Southwest London versus Oxford will do nothing to dispel the idea that the LibDems are a party of middle-class handwringers, academics, and rural voters from the outer edges of Scotland. But it's not as if there's a lot of choice given Farron is out and Carmichael - who holds our safest seat - consistently rules himself out given how far away Orkney and Shetland are.

Still, there's an outside chance that the UK's third-largest political party is about to be led by a British-Palestinian (Moran), so there's that.

[Purgatio]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18098627.boris-johnson-says-brexit-will-get-done-january-31-no-ifs-no-buts/

“We must recognise the incredible reality that we now speak as a one nation Conservative Party literally for everyone from Woking to Workington, from Kensington I’m proud to say to Clwyd South, from Surrey Heath to Sedgefield, from Wimbledon to Wolverhampton.”

He added: “Parliament must change so that we in Parliament are working for you the British people.”

Mr Johnson said Brexit will get done by January 31 “no ifs, no buts”.

He said: “And I will make it my mission to work night and day, flat out to prove that you were right in voting for me this time, and to earn your support in the future.

Looks like Prime Minister Johnson has spoken, a (likely no-deal) Brexit by 31 January 2020. Oh boy, this will be entertaining.

You're mistaken; there will be a deal.

Parliament will now move the legislation to approve Johnson's deal before Christmas, and this will pass in time for the UK to leave the EU by the 31st of January.

The potential for no deal now comes in the subsequent trade negotiations, and the possibility that the government will simply walk out those negotiations without reaching a deal if no agreement is reached by the relevant deadline.

You're referring to the transitional deal that Johnson worked out with the EU, I take it? The one that amends Theresa May's backstop, so if that passes Parliament and the UK 'leaves' the EU, subject to the transitional backstop, it doesn't seem likely a deal will be reached thereafter. The non-binding FTA political declaration made clear the EU's FTA with the UK is conditional on the inclusion of a 'level playing field' clause, meaning UK regulations on products, competition and environmental laws will have to 'mirror' that of EU law, which will be a deal-breaker for the Tory backbenchers. So even if they leave the EU on the 31 January 2020 subject to the transitional agreement, it'll just be no-deal Brexit thereafter when the next deadline's reached.

[Purgatio]

Prediction for next LibDem leadership contest for the small number of you who care:

Ed Davey versus Layla Moran, with Davey winning.

Southwest London versus Oxford will do nothing to dispel the idea that the LibDems are a party of middle-class handwringers, academics, and rural voters from the outer edges of Scotland. But it's not as if there's a lot of choice given Farron is out and Carmichael - who holds our safest seat - consistently rules himself out given how far away Orkney and Shetland are.

Still, there's an outside chance that the UK's third-largest political party is about to be led by a British-Palestinian (Moran), so there's that.

I voted Davey in the last leadership election, not that him winning would have changed this result. I'll probably vote for him again when the next contest comes round soon.

[The Archregimancy]

You're mistaken; there will be a deal.

Parliament will now move the legislation to approve Johnson's deal before Christmas, and this will pass in time for the UK to leave the EU by the 31st of January.

The potential for no deal now comes in the subsequent trade negotiations, and the possibility that the government will simply walk out those negotiations without reaching a deal if no agreement is reached by the relevant deadline.

Is it really a possibility when Boris has stated that's his intent?

Your question isn't wholly clear. Are you referring to leaving with a deal on the 31st of January, or the subsequent trade deal negotiations?

On the first point, the deal will pass parliament before the end of January. On the second point, who knows? Anyone who claims they know is lying.

As I've repeatedly said, arguments over our relationship with the rest of Europe are going to go on for years.

[The Archregimancy]

You're mistaken; there will be a deal.

Parliament will now move the legislation to approve Johnson's deal before Christmas, and this will pass in time for the UK to leave the EU by the 31st of January.

The potential for no deal now comes in the subsequent trade negotiations, and the possibility that the government will simply walk out those negotiations without reaching a deal if no agreement is reached by the relevant deadline.

You're referring to the transitional deal that Johnson worked out with the EU, I take it? The one that amends Theresa May's backstop, so if that passes Parliament and the UK 'leaves' the EU, subject to the transitional backstop, it doesn't seem likely a deal will be reached thereafter. The non-binding FTA political declaration made clear the EU's FTA with the UK is conditional on the inclusion of a 'level playing field' clause, meaning UK regulations on products, competition and environmental laws will have to 'mirror' that of EU law, which will be a deal-breaker for the Tory backbenchers. So even if they leave the EU on the 31 January 2020 subject to the transitional agreement, it'll just be no-deal Brexit thereafter when the next deadline's reached.

A much clearer answer, thank you.

[SD_Film Artists]

His rose-tinted glasses for the IRA and sharing a platform with Hezbollah gained much more attention.

i feel unable to fully post about this issue because of the laws in the united kingdom so i would like you to just sort of imagine what you think i might say on this subject

Well the typical response by Corbyn/his supporters is that "the Conservatives talked with them too" forgetting the fact that there's an important difference between negotiating and being friends. As for Hezbollah, there's either the "he shares platforms with many people" (not explaining the fact that Corbyn struggled to say, when quentioned many times, that he wasn't Hezbollah's friend), or just making it a general pro-Palestine issue with "what about Israel.."

[Vassenor]

Prediction for next LibDem leadership contest for the small number of you who care:

Ed Davey versus Layla Moran, with Davey winning.

Southwest London versus Oxford will do nothing to dispel the idea that the LibDems are a party of middle-class handwringers, academics, and rural voters from the outer edges of Scotland. But it's not as if there's a lot of choice given Farron is out and Carmichael - who holds our safest seat - consistently rules himself out given how far away Orkney and Shetland are.

Still, there's an outside chance that the UK's third-largest political party is about to be led by a British-Palestinian (Moran), so there's that.

And the gutter press would probably have a field day with that given how loudly Corbyn being pro-Palestine was spun into proof of high grade anti-Semitism. Imagine how they'd handle someone of actual Palestinian extraction when the objective is to slam down possible challengers to the government.

Maybe it'll be the thing that makes the tabloids finally tear each other apart .

[Napkizemlja]

$10 says Blair is smirking to himself in the mirror right now.

[Gormwood]

Prediction for next LibDem leadership contest for the small number of you who care:

Ed Davey versus Layla Moran, with Davey winning.

Southwest London versus Oxford will do nothing to dispel the idea that the LibDems are a party of middle-class handwringers, academics, and rural voters from the outer edges of Scotland. But it's not as if there's a lot of choice given Farron is out and Carmichael - who holds our safest seat - consistently rules himself out given how far away Orkney and Shetland are.

Still, there's an outside chance that the UK's third-largest political party is about to be led by a British-Palestinian (Moran), so there's that.

And the gutter press would probably have a field day with that given how loudly Corbyn being pro-Palestine was spun into proof of high grade anti-Semitism. Imagine how they'd handle someone of actual Palestinian extraction when the objective is to slam down possible challengers to the government.

Maybe it'll be the thing that makes the tabloids finally tear each other apart .

"Moran Revealed To Be Top Hamas Commander"

[Prydania]

$10 says Blair is smirking to himself in the mirror right now.

He remains the most successful Labour leader. Makes one think that maybe going further to the left was a mistake.

[Vassenor]

$10 says Blair is smirking to himself in the mirror right now.

He remains the most successful Labour leader. Makes one think that maybe going further to the left was a mistake.

It's a mistake to have policies that are actually popular with the electorate?

[Prydania]

He remains the most successful Labour leader. Makes one think that maybe going further to the left was a mistake.

It's a mistake to have policies that are actually popular with the electorate?

Judging from this election? It's clear Corbyn's policies weren't nearly as popular with the electorate as Blair's were.

[SD_Film Artists]

$10 says Blair is smirking to himself in the mirror right now.

maybe going further to the left was a mistake.

nO iTs aLl tHe MEdIas fAUlt!