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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:28 pm

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Postby Napkizemlja » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:28 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Anyone angry at English nationalism should maybe stop and think that maybe once the UK decided to become a federal country it shouldn't half ass it and deny England (or at least the various regions of England) some form of autonomy. Take it from someone that lives in a federation (crypto-confederation but that's neither here nor there) that kind of resentment is eeeeeassssy to build up and unless it's addressed it will generally lash out without a care in the world. Trying to be a federal state while not being one is a recipe for disaster.


i mean well that's england's fault isn't it? they're the ones with all the political power and iirc they voted against more autonomy for english regions when given the chance. admittedly the system as it stands is super dumb, but we're effectively just going along with what england decided to give us.


No. There was one referendum held in 2004 in either NE England or NW England, one of those two. That was rejected. But that was also in 2004 and as far as I know the only referendum on the matter. When I was living in the UK 2012-2016 English devolution of some sort was something supported by the majority. It was pretty obvious as well in places outside the major cities. Devolution for England should have been something implemented last decade.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:29 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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....what is a BDSM Pride flag?

Something I'm not willing to search for without sight and post on the forum in case I end up posting the wrong thing.


That seems smart
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:29 pm

Ceredigion has gone from LD-PC marginal to a safe PC seat... Holy shit the LD are tanking.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:30 pm

DUP hold both south and east Antrim, vote share down in both
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:30 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Napkizemlja wrote:Anyone angry at English nationalism should maybe stop and think that maybe once the UK decided to become a federal country it shouldn't half ass it and deny England (or at least the various regions of England) some form of autonomy. Take it from someone that lives in a federation (crypto-confederation but that's neither here nor there) that kind of resentment is eeeeeassssy to build up and unless it's addressed it will generally lash out without a care in the world. Trying to be a federal state while not being one is a recipe for disaster.


i mean well that's england's fault isn't it? they're the ones with all the political power and iirc they voted against more autonomy for english regions when given the chance. admittedly the system as it stands is super dumb, but we're effectively just going along with what england decided to give us.

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Well I feel relief more than anything I think. For the first time I think Brexit will get over the line, I've not thought that before.


enjoy this brief respite, for brexit the issues with brexit will arise again shortly

speaking of which, SNP 55, teehee


We don't really want it, really decision was done at the wrong level it should have been less but down at the county level across the whole country and justified on the basis of democratic localism rather than an attempt to buy off nationalism when it's really only done the opposite mostly.
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Lib Dems take Fife North East from SNP. So they've now surpassed their expectations.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:31 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
oh of course they do. the LGBT community, despite the crossover in the persecution of the LGBT community and the BDSM community, are all too happy to throw BDSM under the bus for political convenience. never believe this "oh we're so tolerant we're so progressive we love everyone" bullshit.


Except no one is born with a "BDSM sexual orientation", and people who practice BDSM aren't denied marriage rights, adoption rights, the ability to donate blood, parents don't send children to BDSM conversion camps, so yeah, not exactly seeing the systemic oppression here

They kinda get sent to jail.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:31 pm

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Greater Loegria wrote:No this is about drag queens doing ‘story hour’ in primary schools. People can learn about gay sex in highschool -fine. But before then sexuality should be completely removed from lower education. It’s just not appropriate. The same goes for pride parades. People walking about with rainbow glitter on their cheeks? Eh, bigger fish to be frying. People cutting about in bdsm gear in a large city when children are out and about, not to mention overt phallic props and symbols. Just no. No.

This isn’t about homophobia it’s about public decency.


I witnessed a few Pride Parades in Oxford the years I was there, and I gotta say, I don't recall the BDSM gear and the phallic props. I just remember rainbow flags and people marching. Did I miss something?


I’ve seen such things in London. All you need to do is whack some keywords into google and there’s plenty of images there too.
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Dresderstan wrote:Ceredigion has gone from LD-PC marginal to a safe PC seat... Holy shit the LD are tanking.

Didn't they have a no-compete arrangement?
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The Huskar Social Union wrote:DUP hold both south and east Antrim, vote share down in both

Boo DUP, yay vote share down.
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Greater Loegria wrote:No this is about drag queens doing ‘story hour’ in primary schools. People can learn about gay sex in highschool -fine. But before then sexuality should be completely removed from lower education. It’s just not appropriate. The same goes for pride parades. People walking about with rainbow glitter on their cheeks? Eh, bigger fish to be frying. People cutting about in bdsm gear in a large city when children are out and about, not to mention overt phallic props and symbols. Just no. No.

This isn’t about homophobia it’s about public decency.



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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:33 pm

Dresderstan wrote:Ceredigion has gone from LD-PC marginal to a safe PC seat... Holy shit the LD are tanking.


They just took a seat from the Conservatives and one from the SNP. How is that tanking?
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I witnessed a few Pride Parades in Oxford the years I was there, and I gotta say, I don't recall the BDSM gear and the phallic props. I just remember rainbow flags and people marching. Did I miss something?

Some pride parades actually ban the bdsm pride flag.

Thankfully.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Except no one is born with a "BDSM sexual orientation", and people who practice BDSM aren't denied marriage rights, adoption rights, the ability to donate blood, parents don't send children to BDSM conversion camps, so yeah, not exactly seeing the systemic oppression here

They kinda get sent to jail.

Fascism requires immutable and permanent characteristics though so they're broken on the whole crypto fascist "but bdsm folk arent oppressed" thing that they use to advance the interests of their in group at the expense of others in the manner progressives do while lacking self awareness on how they have a system of hierarchy and hatred and so on. Hence the total lack of empathy displayed here for people who are fucked over by anti BDSM sentiment because Jews killed jesus, wait wrong type of fascist, I mean, because gays historically oppressed
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Aureumterra wrote:I should probably sleep since it’s late at night, but I just want to leave this here

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Fife North East, my constituency, has gone from SNP to Lib Dem! Fucking get in there! So happy! :lol:
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:34 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Some pride parades actually ban the bdsm pride flag.

Thankfully.


It would be really disturbing if they didn't
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Souseiseki wrote:cons have actually won a seat in scotland. one of the exit poll was predicting SNP. worrying.


They won't get less than 45-50 I doubt still practically most seats. Seems like every time the SNP clean up we win a majority.......... we should investigate the correlation!
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:35 pm

Napkizemlja wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Some pride parades actually ban the bdsm pride flag.

Thankfully.

Why is that at all thankful?

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Dresderstan wrote:Ceredigion has gone from LD-PC marginal to a safe PC seat... Holy shit the LD are tanking.


They just took a seat from the Conservatives and one from the SNP. How is that tanking?

Again, a marginal that the LD wanted tanked hard there, I didn't mean the party nationally, I meant how you turn a marginal to a safe seat.
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Liriena wrote:Well then. Back to the drawing board.

Let's say British nationalism... but it's specifically anti-Tory and also anti-feminist of the "TRANS RIGHTS OK" variety? Just tell me how far you want me to turn the big dial that says "nationalism for non-nonces".


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