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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Good evening everybody, following a short stay in hospital I'm back to deliver my usual electoral wisdom from an anarcho-capitalist standpoint.

https://youtu.be/Udj-o2m39NA


Thats rude. You can at least do him the courtesy of hearing him out. If you think his opinions are absurd then just respond to them. Jeez.
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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:55 pm

Boris Johnson was the first PM since Thatcher to not vote for himself, instead choosing to canvass during polling day as well.

Imagine the absolute roflmaoism if he loses by 1 vote.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:55 pm

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Friend, you're gonna get yourself in trouble with the mods if you react like that.


Why? Because if Corbyn loses apparently Jews gain a great victory? Of all the issues genuinely facing Jews today THATS the victory? Why don’t the Muslims get a shoutout for the fact that the Conservative party peddles Islamphobia as the Labour Party peddles anti-semitism?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:55 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Good evening everybody, following a short stay in hospital I'm back to deliver my usual electoral wisdom from an anarcho-capitalist standpoint.


Which hospital?

Stoke, I obviously did something terrible in a previous life.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:55 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I'm sure you've seen the exit poll. Had a good day I take it?

No I've had a terrible day, I have an unidentifiable eye infection. I had to go to one of those poor person hospitals!


Yuck yuck yuck. That must have been more traumatic than the infection, I hope you're alright.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:56 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I'm sure you've seen the exit poll. Had a good day I take it?

No I've had a terrible day, I have an unidentifiable eye infection. I had to go to one of those poor person hospitals!


Why didn't your private doctor diagnose you?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:56 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://youtu.be/Udj-o2m39NA


Thats rude. You can at least do him the courtesy of hearing him out. If you think his opinions are absurd then just respond to them. Jeez.

The only "courtesy" somebody wishing to price gouge the polio vaccine deserves from me is my eternal contempt for everything they claim to be standing for.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:56 pm

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Liriena wrote:I think it's true with massive caveats. Because not all education is guaranteed to make you a better critical thinker, specially when it comes to politics. Specially not if the education is provided by institutions with a vested interest in not encouraging you to be too critical of the status quo.

Plus, all the education in the world won't necessarily make you immune to savvy marketing strategies with just the right message. I've seen a lot of otherwise smart and educated people get incredibly gullible and borderline stupid about politics.

There's a degree of people being easier to fool if they're convinced they can't be fooled. If you think advertising doesn't work on you, it definitely does. If you think you'll spot the trick, the magician has already made you choose the nine of diamonds.

This is specially relevant when it comes to many outwardly cynical voters who end up either voting for the right or not voting at all.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:57 pm

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Purgatio wrote:
You're talking about giving the State the power to arbitrarily go around taking your shit without compensation because they feel like it.

I mean, ideally there would be no state at all and it would just be communities collectively and democratically redistributing housing... but I don't see the state falling any time soon so we gotta make do with what we've got.

Purgatio wrote:How is that not the stuff of dictatorships?

Ask the early capitalists who seized the lands of, not only indigenous people in colonial territories, but also that of the rural underclasses.


You realize not everyone who is rich today inherited it from a colonial adventurer, right? Especially if we're talking about rich people who migrated to the UK recently and bought property in London, which describes a lot of the present rich in the UK today? Idk whats this obsession with assuming every rich person in the UK got their riches from the British East India Company or something.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:57 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:No I've had a terrible day, I have an unidentifiable eye infection. I had to go to one of those poor person hospitals!


Yuck yuck yuck. That must have been more traumatic than the infection, I hope you're alright.

There is still craft beer. Lots of it.

But anyway, tory win time! Happy tory win time to make Britain richer!
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Postby Vallermoore » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:57 pm

Things would be even worse for Labour if the Brexit Party didn't get in the way.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:57 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Friend, you're gonna get yourself in trouble with the mods if you react like that.


Why? Because if Corbyn loses apparently Jews gain a great victory? Of all the issues genuinely facing Jews today THATS the victory? Why don’t the Muslims get a shoutout for the fact that the Conservative party peddles Islamphobia as the Labour Party peddles anti-semitism?

No?

Jews' problems with Corbyn were real and it's not helpful to dismiss them out of hand like that
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:58 pm

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Let your inner Dad Bod come forth.

I suppose it was inevitable. So long, my twinkish ambitions.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:58 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Thats rude. You can at least do him the courtesy of hearing him out. If you think his opinions are absurd then just respond to them. Jeez.

The only "courtesy" somebody wishing to price gouge the polio vaccine deserves from me is my eternal contempt for everything they claim to be standing for.


This kind of lack of civility is uncalled for. He's willing to hear you out and give his opinion without calling you names.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:58 pm

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:Boris Johnson was the first PM since Thatcher to not vote for himself, instead choosing to canvass during polling day as well.

Imagine the absolute roflmaoism if he loses by 1 vote.

You stole that from Twitter. Shame.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Let your inner Dad Bod come forth.

I suppose it was inevitable. So long, my twinkish ambitions.


Or just stay in shape and lay off the alcohol? Grindr isn't friendly to the overweight
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For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:58 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Good evening everybody, following a short stay in hospital I'm back to deliver my usual electoral wisdom from an anarcho-capitalist standpoint.

Aren’t we lucky
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Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:Boris Johnson was the first PM since Thatcher to not vote for himself, instead choosing to canvass during polling day as well.

Imagine the absolute roflmaoism if he loses by 1 vote.

You stole that from Twitter. Shame.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:No I've had a terrible day, I have an unidentifiable eye infection. I had to go to one of those poor person hospitals!


Why didn't your private doctor diagnose you?

Because the only private health in stoke is a Nuffield health and I'm not covered with them.
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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Yuck yuck yuck. That must have been more traumatic than the infection, I hope you're alright.

There is still craft beer. Lots of it.

But anyway, tory win time! Happy tory win time to make Britain richer!


Five more years of austerity, no nationalizations, no increase to wealth and capital taxes, I can get behind that :) :)
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For a domestic Purgation 'propagandist' view of its role in the world, see: An Introduction to Purgatio.

And for a more 'objective' international perspective on Purgatio's history, culture, and politics, see: A Brief Overview of the History, Politics, and Culture of Le Royaume du Nettoyage de la Purgatio.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
I'm sure you've seen the exit poll. Had a good day I take it?

No I've had a terrible day, I have an unidentifiable eye infection. I had to go to one of those poor person hospitals!

Oh no, it's ancap-itis. It can only be cured by a comprehensive public healthcare system that's free at the point of access. Try not to reach for your wallet, it'll only make it worse.
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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:Boris Johnson was the first PM since Thatcher to not vote for himself, instead choosing to canvass during polling day as well.

Imagine the absolute roflmaoism if he loses by 1 vote.

You stole that from Twitter. Shame.


I didn't lol

The fact that he didn't vote is all around the news
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:No I've had a terrible day, I have an unidentifiable eye infection. I had to go to one of those poor person hospitals!

Oh no, it's ancap-itis. It can only be cured by a comprehensive public healthcare system that's free at the point of access. Try not to reach for your wallet, it'll only make it worse.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:00 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:No I've had a terrible day, I have an unidentifiable eye infection. I had to go to one of those poor person hospitals!

Oh no, it's ancap-itis. It can only be cured by a comprehensive public healthcare system that's free at the point of access. Try not to reach for your wallet, it'll only make it worse.

A comprehensive public healthcare system that is free at the point of access totally faile to find out wtf was wrong with my eye.
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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:00 pm

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Lower Nubia wrote:
Why? Because if Corbyn loses apparently Jews gain a great victory? Of all the issues genuinely facing Jews today THATS the victory? Why don’t the Muslims get a shoutout for the fact that the Conservative party peddles Islamphobia as the Labour Party peddles anti-semitism?

No?

Jews' problems with Corbyn were real and it's not helpful to dismiss them out of hand like that


I never dismissed them, but it’s not like anyone’s complaining about the equal of issue of Tory Islamophobia, why are we thankful that we’ve traded the hate of one minority from a Labour government, for a different minority from a Tory government?

My point is valid and logical.
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