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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:41 pm

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
Fuck off.


Isn't this what you said?


No. An educated populace won’t fall for dumb policies in all camps.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:42 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:It is absolutely imperative that John McDonnell is the next Labour Leader.

Only a swing further left can save Labour now.


No. We need an educated population first.


Its more that they have been fed lies and delusions by politicians and the mainstream media. Can you really blame them?

Oh and by the way I consider myself of course to be very patrician.

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Postby Purgatio » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:42 pm

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
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Isn't that the guy who, after Grenfell, literally suggested that the State should just arbitrarily seize people's homes to house the survivors?


Yeah


Now that would be scary
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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:43 pm

Nakena wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
No. We need an educated population first.


Its more that they have been fed lies and delusions by politicians and the mainstream media. Can you really blame them?

Oh and by the way I consider myself of course to be very patrician.


More educated people are harder to feed lies to.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:How likely is a no deal Brexit at this point?

I think less likely, funnily enough. A strong majority gives the govt room to manoeuvre and time to get a deal through without risking too much electorally speaking
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Postby Nakena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Alcohol. And a Labour government.

Fuck alcohol. I demand legal marijuana and free munchies.


The former tends to give the later.

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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:44 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Its more that they have been fed lies and delusions by politicians and the mainstream media. Can you really blame them?

Oh and by the way I consider myself of course to be very patrician.


More educated people are harder to feed lies to.


Seen plenty of university professors squeal about NHS privatisation.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:44 pm

Liriena wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Alcohol. And a Labour government.

Fuck alcohol. I demand legal marijuana and free munchies.


Drink up, bud.

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Postby Hakons » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:44 pm

Lower Nubia wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Isn't this what you said?


No. An educated populace won’t fall for dumb policies in all camps.


You, presumably, are educated? You know, unlike the dirty masses?
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Postby Nakena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:44 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Its more that they have been fed lies and delusions by politicians and the mainstream media. Can you really blame them?

Oh and by the way I consider myself of course to be very patrician.


More educated people are harder to feed lies to.


Education alone does not makes up for a lack of worldly wisdoms and common sense.

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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:44 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Its more that they have been fed lies and delusions by politicians and the mainstream media. Can you really blame them?

Oh and by the way I consider myself of course to be very patrician.


More educated people are harder to feed lies to.

I wish this was true
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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:44 pm

Nakena wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:
No. We need an educated population first.


Its more that they have been fed lies and delusions by politicians and the mainstream media. Can you really blame them?

Oh and by the way I consider myself of course to be very patrician.


Lies which would of been ineffective is for 1 minute they could do some meaningful reflection.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:44 pm

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Novus America wrote:
Sure they are not running it well, but that is different than selling it.


No, they're intentionally running it badly in order to destroy it.


Do not attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.
The thing is the Tories are genuinely weak on the NHS issue, but if you are not truthful about how they are bad, they can make everything you say look like a lie.

The whole boy who cried wolf.
There is an actual wolf, so you do not need to make up additional imaginary ones to make the real one seem more scary. Or say it is the size of an elephant when it is the size of well a wolf.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:45 pm

Purgatio wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Yeah


Now that would be scary

Not really? He was talking about empty homes. Pretty much homes that are only owned by rich assholes who don't need them and are just trying to speculate with the housing market.

Thanatttynia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How likely is a no deal Brexit at this point?

I think less likely, funnily enough. A strong majority gives the govt room to manoeuvre and time to get a deal through without risking too much electorally speaking

Yeah. It's what May wishes she'd gotten back in 2017. Plus, with a strong majority, they don't need to worry about pissing off any partners like the DUP. If the exit polls are right, they can just steamroll all over the Northern Irish problem.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:45 pm

Labour hold Sunderland West.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:46 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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Paid for by the Leave Campaign.

With how late the night will go at CCHQ he'll have to check in with Michael Gove or it'll have been money wasted.


Loben The 2nd wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:It is absolutely imperative that John McDonnell is the next Labour Leader.

Only a swing further left can save Labour now.


i see you have the funny.

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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:46 pm

hope jo and boris lose their sets for maximum chaos

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Postby Lower Nubia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:46 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
More educated people are harder to feed lies to.

I wish this was true


This depends on the education. To my mind, an educated populace is one which understands logic as it must understand Maths and English, and is inoculated against gaslighting, projection, and any other fallacy used in deception.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:47 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
More educated people are harder to feed lies to.

I wish this was true

I think it's true with massive caveats. Because not all education is guaranteed to make you a better critical thinker, specially when it comes to politics. Specially not if the education is provided by institutions with a vested interest in not encouraging you to be too critical of the status quo.

Plus, all the education in the world won't necessarily make you immune to savvy marketing strategies with just the right message. I've seen a lot of otherwise smart and educated people get incredibly gullible and borderline stupid about politics.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:47 pm

Souseiseki wrote:hope jo and boris lose their sets for maximum chaos

ed milliband must be appeased

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:47 pm

Novus America wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No, they're intentionally running it badly in order to destroy it.


Do not attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.
The thing is the Tories are genuinely weak on the NHS issue, but if you are not truthful about how they are bad, they can make everything you say look like a lie.

The whole boy who cried wolf.
There is an actual wolf, so you do not need to make up additional imaginary ones to make the real one seem more scary. Or say it is the size of an elephant when it is the size of well a wolf.

As the man said, if the Tories really wanted to sell off the NHS they would've done it ages ago.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:48 pm

Jeremy Vine back at it again with the silly CGI. I say this every election but WHAT is the benefit of bizarre computer graphics... marginally better than the 'race to No.10 down the actual gravel on Downing Street' but what is wrong with a bloody swingometer or a simple graph on a simple background?
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Postby Cerinda » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:48 pm

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A Labour government or some cyanide please.

I can't take 5 more years of the tories in power.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:48 pm

Souseiseki wrote:hope jo and boris lose their sets for maximum chaos

ed milliband must be appeased


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