UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Greater Loegria]

Note the operative word 'ought'.

And you ought to admit that I am right about Northern Ireland

Two different arguments. You didn’t source me.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

There is one poll out, from BMG, showing the gap has narrowed to just 6 points. Though it was done before the London Bridge attack.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKBN1Y40JX

[Vassenor]

There is one poll out, from BMG, showing the gap has narrowed to just 6 points. Though it was done before the London Bridge attack.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKBN1Y40JX

But I thought the AN interview was supposed to totally destroy Labour electorally.

Guess that explains why Boris has been ducking on doing his if it's not had the desired outcome.

[Vassenor]

Also it seems that some self-described Boris fans can't actually explain why they like him or what he's done that they support and just fall back on "BUT BREXIT" when challenged.

[The Free Joy State]

There is one poll out, from BMG, showing the gap has narrowed to just 6 points. Though it was done before the London Bridge attack.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKBN1Y40JX

Be interesting to see the effect of the London Bridge attack.

That he had asked for help to deradicalise and the Tory cuts to police numbers (which Labour have been highlighting) might help Labour. And, no doubt some on the Conservative side (and I'm sure parts of the online campaign will be at the forefront of that) will be banging the "immigrants are scary" drum with a chorus of "we cannot defend national security without Brexit"¹-- which may help them in some quarters.

1. This would, of course, be a poor argument because co-operation between international organisations is essential for our national security, and the former head of M15 says Brexit could risk that.

[Purgatio]

There is one poll out, from BMG, showing the gap has narrowed to just 6 points. Though it was done before the London Bridge attack.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKBN1Y40JX

I wouldn't place too much emphasis on one single poll, especially since sample sizes tend to matter, YouGov's election model (which is based on 10,000 interviewees and accurately predicted the outcome back in the 2017 election) tends to be pretty accurate on this and they are predicting an 11-point gap between the Conservatives and Labour (43-32%)

https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2019/

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ah, the polls. Oh for those sepia-shaded days of A-Level politics where we were told that democracy guaranteed no long-term entrenchment of destructive, incompetent, malevolent regimes. That's aged roughly as well as Tony Blair.

[Purgatio]

Ah, the polls. Oh for those sepia-shaded days of A-Level politics where we were told that democracy guaranteed no long-term entrenchment of destructive, incompetent, malevolent regimes. That's aged roughly as well as Tony Blair.

Okay, except the YouGov MRP model I'm citing is an extremely recent multi-level regression method that they only rolled out in 2017, and far more importantly, it accurately predicted the results of the 2017 election, at least far better than all the other polls, for instance it predicted that 2017 would end in a hung parliament (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/31/yougov-poll-predicting-hung-parliament-brave)

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ah, the polls. Oh for those sepia-shaded days of A-Level politics where we were told that democracy guaranteed no long-term entrenchment of destructive, incompetent, malevolent regimes. That's aged roughly as well as Tony Blair.

Okay, except the YouGov MRP model I'm citing is an extremely recent multi-level regression method that they only rolled out in 2017, and far more importantly, it accurately predicted the results of the 2017 election, at least far better than all the other polls, for instance it predicted that 2017 would end in a hung parliament (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/31/yougov-poll-predicting-hung-parliament-brave)

Woah there space cowboy I'm not questioning the accuracy of the polls, I'm lamenting the results they're predicting

[Purgatio]

Okay, except the YouGov MRP model I'm citing is an extremely recent multi-level regression method that they only rolled out in 2017, and far more importantly, it accurately predicted the results of the 2017 election, at least far better than all the other polls, for instance it predicted that 2017 would end in a hung parliament (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/31/yougov-poll-predicting-hung-parliament-brave)

Woah there space cowboy I'm not questioning the accuracy of the polls, I'm lamenting the results they're predicting

Lol sorry, misunderstood, I thought "aged roughly as well as Tony Blair" was in reference to the various pollsters in 2017 who predicted the result wrongly (there were quite a few poll results in 2017 that unlike YouGov's MRP predicted the Tories would win a large thumping majority over Labour).

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Also a poll saying Raab may lose his seat. That would at least restore some of my faith in the electorate.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I want a political game where you play as Swinson. You reach out to various sections of the electorate who ping away from you with crazy physics, you throw accusations of discrimination against the TV broadcasters who won't take you seriously, and eventually you lose your own seat in a limb-flailing dance-off demanded by a baying mob.

I call it Surging Simulator.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Also a poll saying Raab may lose his seat. That would at least restore some of my faith in the electorate.

*starts distributing popcorn*

[Salandriagado]

…
Aw bless.

In that case, aye, you do need to learn a bit more.

I think I need to know the following first: Which party is the most wacky?

The Official Monster Raving Looney Party. The other parties are trying, but they just aren't as good at it as them.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I want a political game where you play as Swinson. You reach out to various sections of the electorate who ping away from you with crazy physics, you throw accusations of discrimination against the TV broadcasters who won't take you seriously, and eventually you lose your own seat in a limb-flailing dance-off demanded by a baying mob.

I call it Surging Simulator.

I would play a version of Untitled Goose Game, where the goose is replaced with Gove.

[Nimzonia]

Also it seems that some self-described Boris fans can't actually explain why they like him or what he's done that they support and just fall back on "BUT BREXIT" when challenged.

Caller: "I don't even know why we're having this discussion."
Host: "It's because you rang the radio station, Matthew. With your phone."

[Vassenor]

I want a political game where you play as Swinson. You reach out to various sections of the electorate who ping away from you with crazy physics, you throw accusations of discrimination against the TV broadcasters who won't take you seriously, and eventually you lose your own seat in a limb-flailing dance-off demanded by a baying mob.

I call it Surging Simulator.

I would play a version of Untitled Goose Game, where the goose is replaced with Gove.

But people like the Goose.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

There is one poll out, from BMG, showing the gap has narrowed to just 6 points. Though it was done before the London Bridge attack.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... KKBN1Y40JX

Be interesting to see the effect of the London Bridge attack.

That he had asked for help to deradicalise and the Tory cuts to police numbers (which Labour have been highlighting) might help Labour. And, no doubt some on the Conservative side (and I'm sure parts of the online campaign will be at the forefront of that) will be banging the "immigrants are scary" drum with a chorus of "we cannot defend national security without Brexit"¹-- which may help them in some quarters.

1. This would, of course, be a poor argument because co-operation between international organisations is essential for our national security, and the former head of M15 says Brexit could risk that.

Yes. I initially though it would be an advantage to the Conservatives, but given it was all under their watch it may well hurt them.

[Dakini]

Do you go around giving money to random strangers you meet on the street?

Yes, if they're asking for it and not being weird about it.

I sometimes buy them food or hot beverages too.

I've also given them booze because they've got it hard enough without people being judgemental assholes.

[The Blaatschapen]

And you ought to admit that I am right about Northern Ireland

How do you think an English vote during the Scottish Independence referendum would have gone?

Wouldn't the tories vote massively in favour to get rid of those lefties?

[Dakini]

How do you think an English vote during the Scottish Independence referendum would have gone?

Wouldn't the tories vote massively in favour to get rid of those lefties?

You know, someone in England started a petition to kick Scotland out of the union a few years ago. Most of the signatures came from Scotland.


I suspect that the average person in England wouldn't actually give enough of a fuck to vote in a referendum to remove Scotland from the UK.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh my god Jeremy, shut the fuck up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Q_69h7c4s

Terrorists shouldn't 'necessarily' serve full sentence says Jeremy Corbyn.

Stop having principles you silly bugger, you're going to cost us the election! What kind of politician just directly and honestly answers a question like this when posed to them in this context? Jesus fucking Christ Jeremy.

It's not difficult either.

"Terrorism has been blown out of proportion in order to erode civil liberties and divide us. The number of deaths caused is extremely low. More people died from austerity today than were killed by terrorism all year. I don't see why we should treat terrorism as some major societal issue given the scope of the problem is very small and is only focused on by those in the media because it distracts from the larger problems their owners cause for us all, and I don't see why we need to treat terrorism as some special circumstance worthy of months of discussion and debate on how to handle it when the justice system should be built to handle crime in general. When you ask me if terrorists should be eligible for early release, I reject that framing because there's nothing special about terrorists. They're just violent criminals."

[Munkcestrian Republic]

And you ought to admit that I am right about Northern Ireland

Two different arguments. You didn’t source me.

I did.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Oh my god Jeremy, shut the fuck up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Q_69h7c4s

Terrorists shouldn't 'necessarily' serve full sentence says Jeremy Corbyn.

Stop having principles you silly bugger, you're going to cost us the election! What kind of politician just directly and honestly answers a question like this when posed to them in this context? Jesus fucking Christ Jeremy.

It's not difficult either.

"Terrorism has been blown out of proportion in order to erode civil liberties and divide us. The number of deaths caused is extremely low. More people died from austerity today than were killed by terrorism all year. I don't see why we should treat terrorism as some major societal issue given the scope of the problem is very small and is only focused on by those in the media because it distracts from the larger problems their owners cause for us all, and I don't see why we need to treat terrorism as some special circumstance worthy of months of discussion and debate on how to handle it when the justice system should be built to handle crime in general. When you ask me if terrorists should be eligible for early release, I reject that framing because there's nothing special about terrorists. They're just violent criminals."

Media soundbite that will be used as a stick to beat JC: "I don't see why we should treat terrorism as some major societal issue."

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh my god Jeremy, shut the fuck up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8Q_69h7c4s

Terrorists shouldn't 'necessarily' serve full sentence says Jeremy Corbyn.

Stop having principles you silly bugger, you're going to cost us the election! What kind of politician just directly and honestly answers a question like this when posed to them in this context? Jesus fucking Christ Jeremy.

It's not difficult either.

"Terrorism has been blown out of proportion in order to erode civil liberties and divide us. The number of deaths caused is extremely low. More people died from austerity today than were killed by terrorism all year. I don't see why we should treat terrorism as some major societal issue given the scope of the problem is very small and is only focused on by those in the media because it distracts from the larger problems their owners cause for us all, and I don't see why we need to treat terrorism as some special circumstance worthy of months of discussion and debate on how to handle it when the justice system should be built to handle crime in general. When you ask me if terrorists should be eligible for early release, I reject that framing because there's nothing special about terrorists. They're just violent criminals."

Media soundbite that will be used as a stick to beat JC: "I don't see why we should treat terrorism as some major societal issue."

It's more salvageable than "I don't see why terrorists should necessarily serve a full prison sentence.".