UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[The Archregimancy]

If Corbyn survives this election it'll either be a fucking miracle or a sign that Labour have fully committed to a return to their 1980s policy of not even trying to get elected.

It's my understanding that he's said he'll step down when if they lose.

Betting market odds on his replacement can be found here:

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... e-betting/

Rebecca Long-Bailey and Keir Starmer are the two favourites.


But Corbyn has been an unmitigated disaster. I know his fan club struggle to see that - it's always someone else's fault - but his historic unpopularity reflects just how poor a leader he is. It isn't just a mainstream media Zionist conspiracy; he's been a catastrophic opposition leader.

Note that this isn't a comment on his policies; only on his leadership. Or rather, his ongoing failures of leadership.

[The New California Republic]

If Corbyn survives this election it'll either be a fucking miracle or a sign that Labour have fully committed to a return to their 1980s policy of not even trying to get elected.

It's my understanding that he's said he'll step down when if they lose.

Betting market odds on his replacement can be found here:

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... e-betting/

Rebecca Long-Bailey and Keir Starmer are the two favourites.


But Corbyn has been an unmitigated disaster. I know his fan club struggle to see that - it's always someone else's fault - but his historic unpopularity reflects just how poor a leader he is. It isn't just a mainstream media Zionist conspiracy; he's been a catastrophic opposition leader.

Note that this isn't a comment on his policies; only on his leadership. Or rather, his ongoing failures of leadership.

When he was elected I knew Corbyn would lead Labour over a cliff in one way or another, and he absolutely should resign if the election results are poor.

[Nakena]

Not that this is helping Labour, mind...

Ooft.

Under Corbyn Labour is unironically adding the National to the Socialism.

I dont even know why but it seems to be the case. Theres also that BBC Panorama episode about it.

[Vassenor]

Ooft.

Under Corbyn Labour is unironically adding the National to the Socialism.

I dont even know why but it seems to be the case. Theres also that BBC Panorama episode about it.

And there we go with "the nazis were socialists" again.

[The Huskar Social Union]

It's my understanding that he's said he'll step down when if they lose.

Betting market odds on his replacement can be found here:

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... e-betting/

Rebecca Long-Bailey and Keir Starmer are the two favourites.


But Corbyn has been an unmitigated disaster. I know his fan club struggle to see that - it's always someone else's fault - but his historic unpopularity reflects just how poor a leader he is. It isn't just a mainstream media Zionist conspiracy; he's been a catastrophic opposition leader.

Note that this isn't a comment on his policies; only on his leadership. Or rather, his ongoing failures of leadership.

When he was elected I knew Corbyn would lead Labour over a cliff in one way or another, and he absolutely should resign if the election results are poor.

I think it depends on how Labour loses. If they somehow manage a repeat of last election and "Lose" but gain seats and votes then i can see the argument for him staying

But the likelihood of that happening is incredibly low so if they get thoroughly smashed then yeah probably best he steps down.

[Bienenhalde]

Oh man, I wonder if the Conrad debacle will swing anyone

Well, the party already deselected him and replaced him with a different candidate, so I don't think it would be fair to blame them for what he said.

[The Archregimancy]

Under Corbyn Labour is unironically adding the National to the Socialism.

I dont even know why but it seems to be the case. Theres also that BBC Panorama episode about it.

And there we go with "the nazis were socialists" again.

Read the post again, Vassenor.

Nakena was clearly making a sarcastic point about Corbyn's Labour Party, not claiming that the Nazis were left-wing socialists.

[Gormwood]

Under Corbyn Labour is unironically adding the National to the Socialism.

I dont even know why but it seems to be the case. Theres also that BBC Panorama episode about it.

And there we go with "the nazis were socialists" again.

Also, North Korea is a democratic republic.

[The Archregimancy]

And there we go with "the nazis were socialists" again.

Also, North Korea is a democratic republic.

And in the same spirit, both of you have made insightful and witty posts that have greatly contributed to the substance and tone of debate in this thread.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Imagine reading.


That would be a neat trick.

[Ifreann]

Imagine reading.


That would be a neat trick.

I read once. It was terrible and I vowed to never do it again.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Imagine reading.


That would be a neat trick.

I read once. It was terrible and I vowed to never do it again.

Im sorry you had to go through that.

[Vassenor]

And there we go with "the nazis were socialists" again.

Read the post again, Vassenor.

Nakena was clearly making a sarcastic point about Corbyn's Labour Party, not claiming that the Nazis were left-wing socialists.

So when do we get to make the same point about the more deep seated racism within the Conservative party? Or is that different?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Imagine reading.


That would be a neat trick.

I went there once. It was larger and more big city-ish then I'd thought. 5/10, a place that exists.

[Philjia]

Read the post again, Vassenor.

Nakena was clearly making a sarcastic point about Corbyn's Labour Party, not claiming that the Nazis were left-wing socialists.

So when do we get to make the same point about the more deep seated racism within the Conservative party? Or is that different?

Nobody expects better from the Conservative party. Well, some people might do, but that's their problem.

[Dumb Ideologies]

A lot of the hard left Labour people who've got in trouble have done so because they've spent time with "Palestinian liberation" people while lacking the historical and cultural knowledge to pick up the antisemitic tropes. They read really badly out of the mouth of someone whose not a direct participant in that dispute and so doesn't have any excuse.

At the same time, there is a certain influence on all of this coming out from dedicated lobbyists who are annoyed that Corbs and Co are hostile to Israeli foreign policy. That's not an anti-semitic trope of the manipulating Jew or whatever, a lot of the Jewish community groups have links to the Israeli state and a lot of people have family ties and loyalty to the place.

[Ostroeuropa]

A lot of the hard left Labour people who've got in trouble have done so because they've spent time with "Palestinian liberation" people while lacking the historical and cultural knowledge to pick up the antisemitic tropes. They read really badly out of the mouth of someone whose not a direct participant in that dispute and so doesn't have any excuse.

At the same time, there is a certain influence on all of this coming out from dedicated lobbyists who are annoyed that Corbs and Co are hostile to Israeli foreign policy. That's not an anti-semitic trope of the manipulating Jew or whatever, a lot of the Jewish community groups have links to the Israeli state and a lot of people have family ties and loyalty to the place.

It's also important to note that Tory disingenuity doesn't magically disappear because the person engaging in it is a Jew, and the majority of Jews vote Tory. It's why you shouldn't really pay attention to shit like "Oh most Jews think Corbyn is an anti-Semite.".

Most Jews are Tories. They'll lie and say any shit they think will help the Tory party.

(Not all Tories *sigh*).

Back with Ed Miliband in charge 70% of British Jews voted Tory.

If 50% of British Jews are whining Corbyn is an anti-Semite and saying they're really scared and gonna leave the country because muh anti-Semitism if Corbyn wins, that's normal. That's precisely what you'd expect. Around 2/3rds of Tory voters being lying partisans. That doesn't change because they're Jews. Jewish groups not associated with Israeli funding and not associated with the Tory party? Those are the ones i'd take seriously on the issue.

Curiously, they don't seem to be making a fuss. Wonder why. (In fact, when Corbyn met with a left wing Jewish group, people shrieked this was further evidence he was an anti-Semite. They also concur with my evaluation here it's worth noting, quote; "Allegations linking Mr Corbyn to anti-Semitism are the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party").

Also worth noting 73% of British Jews say "Attitude towards Israel and foreign policy" is "Very important" to how they vote.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/huge ... ls-1.66001

Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't give this demographic the benefit of the doubt on this kind of political dispute and should instead be a bit more discerning on which Jews we bother to take seriously. Or is that observation anti-Semitism too because it implies "Most British Jews are politically dishonest" through a venn diagram problem where they overlap with Tory Voter too much for that not to be the case?

[Ostroeuropa]

SNP "There are no circumstances where we will support a conservative government.". + "We will support a labour government in exchange for an independence referendum."

->

Labour "We do not want to have an independence referendum within the formative years of a Corbyn government."

That's a specific way of phrasing that.

Presumably it would mean something like "Yes, but only in year 4 or 5 of the term.". I think that's a fair offer.

[Nazis in Space]

I'm so sad the current crop of British politicians wasn't in charge in 1914.

[The Free Joy State]

Read the post again, Vassenor.

Nakena was clearly making a sarcastic point about Corbyn's Labour Party, not claiming that the Nazis were left-wing socialists.

So when do we get to make the same point about the more deep seated racism within the Conservative party? Or is that different?

A. "But they do it, too" is not an argument.

B. Bring us a recent article, and commentary on said article, and I'm sure we will be delighted to discuss at length.

C. To agree with Philjia, the parliamentary Conservative party have had longstanding issues with race; they are well-publicised. We expect better of a Party who speaks of a more equal society, that "seeks to build a society and world free from all forms of racism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia" (page 108). We expect them to practise what they preach.

[Outer Sparta]

SNP "There are no circumstances where we will support a conservative government.". + "We will support a labour government in exchange for an independence referendum."

->

Labour "We do not want to have an independence referendum within the formative years of a Corbyn government."

That's a specific way of phrasing that.

Presumably it would mean something like "Yes, but only in year 4 or 5 of the term.". I think that's a fair offer.

Now if only the Lib Dems somehow get on board but they would rather back Brexit cause "Corbyn bad."

[Liriena]

SNP "There are no circumstances where we will support a conservative government.". + "We will support a labour government in exchange for an independence referendum."

->

Labour "We do not want to have an independence referendum within the formative years of a Corbyn government."

That's a specific way of phrasing that.

Presumably it would mean something like "Yes, but only in year 4 or 5 of the term.". I think that's a fair offer.

SNP is gonna do the the English proletariat a solid to own the English aristocracy. You hate to see it.

[Liriena]

SNP "There are no circumstances where we will support a conservative government.". + "We will support a labour government in exchange for an independence referendum."

->

Labour "We do not want to have an independence referendum within the formative years of a Corbyn government."

That's a specific way of phrasing that.

Presumably it would mean something like "Yes, but only in year 4 or 5 of the term.". I think that's a fair offer.

Now if only the Lib Dems somehow get on board but they would rather back Brexit cause "Corbyn bad."

Liberals hate socialists more than they hate conservatives. Nothing new under the sun.

[Vassenor]

So when do we get to make the same point about the more deep seated racism within the Conservative party? Or is that different?

A. "But they do it, too" is not an argument.

B. Bring us a recent article, and commentary on said article, and I'm sure we will be delighted to discuss at length.

C. To agree with Philjia, the parliamentary Conservative party have had longstanding issues with race; they are well-publicised. We expect better of a Party who speaks of a more equal society, that "seeks to build a society and world free from all forms of racism, anti-Semitism and Islamophobia" (page 108). We expect them to practise what they preach.

Because apparently offloading people caught doing those things is not practicing what they preach.

[Imperializt Russia]

If anyone still thinks the Lib Dems are just doing electoral strategy with Swinson positioning herself as rabidly anti-labour and she's doing it "just" to secure Tory votes, you're in denial.

She's a Tory.

Ugh thanks I hate her. She can have Jacob Rees-Mogg's spot in the lines for the McDonnell gulags.

At least Ress-Mogg admits to (and owns) being a cunt by A, actually being a Tory, and B, openly declaring the poors should be less thick in their burning buildings.

Are you three really so lazy that a headline - from the mail on sunday of all places - is enough to convince you?

At least have the decency to read the article. It's hardly a ringing endorsement of Thatchers policies.

I'm not going to vote for Swinson, and the Lib Dems for a number of reasons, but being taken in by lazy clickbait that which plays up to your "iron lady bad" issues isn't one of them.

Edit:

In this particular case, shall we perhaps actually read the original article rather than engage in sensationalist posting of a misleading Daily Mail headline in isolation? The Mail was obviously pushing an agenda with that headline, but the actual article is far more critical of Thatcher; it makes a feminist argument, not a party political one.

Ah good, I'm glad I'm not the only one calling out this lazy inarticulate bullshit being peddled.

I despise Swinson for her lazy recycling of Tory propaganda, the LibDem's deliberately deceptive way they try and paint the 'two horse race' in marginals, and her plainly visible policy stance.

This is just a cherry to validate those things.