UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

[Vassenor]

Farage isn't even going to stand. I guess the embarrassment of failing to win again would look too bad.

What is a fair measure of achievement for the Brexit Party to count as a success in the election?

Why would he throw away a guaranteed gig wasting our money like that?

[Philjia]

Farage isn't even going to stand. I guess the embarrassment of failing to win again would look too bad.

Haha what a twat

[Dumb Ideologies]

Farage isn't even going to stand. I guess the embarrassment of failing to win again would look too bad.

Haha what a twat

I like to imagine it was a mistake. He's winding up for another broadside against the e s t a b l i s h m e n t ...

"And you know what I can't stand..."

"Alright, we've submitted the candidate list without you"

"Wait, what?"

[Ostroeuropa]

post oct 31 polls not showing as big a drop in support for the tories as i had expected/hoped oof

Add UKIP and BRX votes to Tory votes. It's been clear for a while it's about 52% of the country. Which, you know. Pretty fucking funny, right? You're not gonna convince them. (The secret is, they are already convinced it is a bad idea. They just don't care, because it's about triggering the libs and a victory against identity politics. The stupider and more obviously destructive the better because now they know full well they have a lockstep majority coalition and don't need to worry in future about saleability or popularity.).

If you can propose a policy like "We should completely waste all our money hiring people to go door to door knocking on them to shout "Multiculturalist, fuck off" at every person in the country, and all take a week off work to do that to ensure they are home, mandatory." and get 52% of people to say "Yeah, sounds good.".

"Ermagerd doctors though."

"Didn't think of that... We're still doing it."

52%

Describe the death toll and economic carnage

52%

Describe the rioting and how it's got literally no upside

52%

Then you know you have won utterly and completely.

Breitbart has seized control.

I don't think this was intentional. By revealing just how fucking stupid Brexit is, we've also revealed the size and extent of the coalition against the status quo and their willingness to be obstinate. We made them aware of their own power and that they can do whatever they please while ignoring everyone else and ignoring the damage their ideas do, just like the multiculturalists and intersectionalists and so on did to the country.

52% are on board with "Fuck them and fuck the consequences of fucking them.".
If they propose more reasonable shit in future expect that lead to grow.

Brexit is a mass hazing ritual, a demonstration of commitment and will.

[Imperializt Russia]

So, that Brexit just won't fucking end, will it?

Great Halloween caper from Boris.

[Chan Island]

Farage isn't even going to stand. I guess the embarrassment of failing to win again would look too bad.

What is a fair measure of achievement for the Brexit Party to count as a success in the election?

lol.

Probably is they won an MP or 2. FTPT screws them over in a very unfair way, so bucking that and getting one of their own elected would be quite the achievement.

[Hurdergaryp]

So, that Brexit just won't fucking end, will it?

Great Halloween caper from Boris.

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only Brexit.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

So, that Brexit just won't fucking end, will it?

Great Halloween caper from Boris.

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only Brexit.

In 200 years time, we will still be sending extention letters to Europe. Nobody quite remembers why, it's one of those strange tradditions like slamming the door on black rod.

[The East Marches II]

post oct 31 polls not showing as big a drop in support for the tories as i had expected/hoped oof

Add UKIP and BRX votes to Tory votes. It's been clear for a while it's about 52% of the country. Which, you know. Pretty fucking funny, right? You're not gonna convince them. (The secret is, they are already convinced it is a bad idea. They just don't care, because it's about triggering the libs and a victory against identity politics. The stupider and more obviously destructive the better because now they know full well they have a lockstep majority coalition and don't need to worry in future about saleability or popularity.).

If you can propose a policy like "We should completely waste all our money hiring people to go door to door knocking on them to shout "Multiculturalist, fuck off" at every person in the country, and all take a week off work to do that to ensure they are home, mandatory." and get 52% of people to say "Yeah, sounds good.".

"Ermagerd doctors though."

"Didn't think of that... We're still doing it."

52%

Describe the death toll and economic carnage

52%

Describe the rioting and how it's got literally no upside

52%

Then you know you have won utterly and completely.

Breitbart has seized control.

I don't think this was intentional. By revealing just how fucking stupid Brexit is, we've also revealed the size and extent of the coalition against the status quo and their willingness to be obstinate. We made them aware of their own power and that they can do whatever they please while ignoring everyone else and ignoring the damage their ideas do, just like the multiculturalists and intersectionalists and so on did to the country.

52% are on board with "Fuck them and fuck the consequences of fucking them.".
If they propose more reasonable shit in future expect that lead to grow.

Brexit is a mass hazing ritual, a demonstration of commitment and will.

You are correct. Especially on the part of making them aware of their own power. That's where things get really interesting.

[The New California Republic]

So, that Brexit just won't fucking end, will it?

Great Halloween caper from Boris.

Well it's predictable that the election will just make the deadlock worse.

[Greed and Death]

So, that Brexit just won't fucking end, will it?

Great Halloween caper from Boris.

Well it's predictable that the election will just make the deadlock worse.

Eventually France will have enough of this and hard brexit.

[Thermodolia]

Well it's predictable that the election will just make the deadlock worse.

Eventually France will have enough of this and hard brexit.

At some point the EU is going to say that the UK is going to have to have a referendum on Brexit if they want yet another extension

[Greed and Death]

Eventually France will have enough of this and hard brexit.

At some point the EU is going to say that the UK is going to have to have a referendum on Brexit if they want yet another extension

the deadlock likely wont let it happen.

[The New California Republic]

At some point the EU is going to say that the UK is going to have to have a referendum on Brexit if they want yet another extension

the deadlock likely wont let it happen.

Yup. Some consensus would be needed in Parliament in order to trigger another referendum, but said consensus doesn't exist, and is even less likely to exist after the election.

[Fartsniffage]

Handsy McGropealot is standing down as Tory MP

[Philjia]

UUP U-turns, won't contest North Belfast.

Well done Steve, you really showed the DUP and Sinn Fein there. /s

[SD_Film Artists]

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only Brexit.

In 200 years time, we will still be sending extention letters to Europe. Nobody quite remembers why, it's one of those strange tradditions like slamming the door on black rod.

[Salandriagado]

Farage isn't even going to stand. I guess the embarrassment of failing to win again would look too bad.

What is a fair measure of achievement for the Brexit Party to count as a success in the election?

Split the Tory vote enough to guarantee that we don't actually leave the EU, so Farage can keep his gig.

[Salandriagado]

It looks very likely that the LibDems, Greens, and Plaid Cymru will announce a deal this week not to stand against each other in at least some seats.

I can't link to this because it's come to me directly through personal channels, but I've been told to 'expect an announcement in the next few days'.

I also have no idea how this will work; but there is of course precedent. The LibDems already give Caroline Lucas a free run in Brighton, and both PC and the Greens gave the LibDems a free run in the Brecon by-election.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Ceredigion, a rare LibDem - Plaid Cymru marginal where PC's Ben Lake defeated the LibDems' Mark Williams by only 104 votes in 2017, where both Lake and Williams are planning to run against each other again, and where you have to go back to 1970 to find a winning candidate who wasn't from either PC or the Liberals/LibDems. Indeed, the two Labour victories in '66 and '70 were the only times since the Liberal Party took the seat in the 1880 general election that the seat was won by either Labour or Conservatives. Given that there's no risk of either Labour or the Tories winning the seat, I imagine that one will still be contested.

It's a canary in the coal mine, really, when your best election strategy can possibly be not participating.

Nah, it's just an inevitable function of the shittiness of FPTP.

[Salandriagado]

post oct 31 polls not showing as big a drop in support for the tories as i had expected/hoped oof

Add UKIP and BRX votes to Tory votes. It's been clear for a while it's about 52% of the country. Which, you know. Pretty fucking funny, right? You're not gonna convince them. (The secret is, they are already convinced it is a bad idea. They just don't care, because it's about triggering the libs and a victory against identity politics. The stupider and more obviously destructive the better because now they know full well they have a lockstep majority coalition and don't need to worry in future about saleability or popularity.).

If you can propose a policy like "We should completely waste all our money hiring people to go door to door knocking on them to shout "Multiculturalist, fuck off" at every person in the country, and all take a week off work to do that to ensure they are home, mandatory." and get 52% of people to say "Yeah, sounds good.".

"Ermagerd doctors though."

"Didn't think of that... We're still doing it."

52%

Describe the death toll and economic carnage

52%

Describe the rioting and how it's got literally no upside

52%

Then you know you have won utterly and completely.

Breitbart has seized control.

I don't think this was intentional. By revealing just how fucking stupid Brexit is, we've also revealed the size and extent of the coalition against the status quo and their willingness to be obstinate. We made them aware of their own power and that they can do whatever they please while ignoring everyone else and ignoring the damage their ideas do, just like the multiculturalists and intersectionalists and so on did to the country.

52% are on board with "Fuck them and fuck the consequences of fucking them.".
If they propose more reasonable shit in future expect that lead to grow.

Brexit is a mass hazing ritual, a demonstration of commitment and will.

You say "victory against identity politics", but what you describe is pure identity politics.

[The Huskar Social Union]

UUP U-turns, won't contest North Belfast.

Well done Steve, you really showed the DUP and Sinn Fein there. /s

Once again the UUP shows what a facade of a party it is

Bows to threats of loyalist violence and bends over for the DUP

Just fucking disband already

The icing on this shit cake will be if they contest in North Down and split Hermons vote

[The Archregimancy]

post oct 31 polls not showing as big a drop in support for the tories as i had expected/hoped oof

Add UKIP and BRX votes to Tory votes. It's been clear for a while it's about 52% of the country.

The last two opinion polls do indeed show that combined total, as described, at 51-52% of the vote.

However, it's untrue that this has 'been clear for a while'.

Between the Brecon and Radnorshire by-election (1 August) and the calling of the election (30 October), the combined Conservative, Brexit, and UKIP share of the opinion polls was usually in the 42-48% range, roughly averaging 45%.

Indeed, since the Brexit Party was registered with the Electoral Commission back in February, I'm hard pressed to find any polls - other than the two most recent ones - where the combined total share of polls was over 50% (though I haven't checked every poll); until this past month, that 42-48% range for the three parties was holding fairly steady.

Furthermore, the very recent rise in the combined share of the polls of those three parties is almost entirely attributable to a rise in the Conservative Party poll rating, and has nothing - or very little - to do with the other two parties.

You can check all of the opinion polls for 2019 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_p ... ction#2019


No doubt there's something interesting to be said about the recent shift in the polls, but otherwise the little rant you've just treated us to about '52%' being 'clear for a while' seems to based on what you bellyfeel the polling data should have said rather than what it actually says.

[Crysuko]

Do bear in mind that there is a certain error margin with these polls, the tories polled quite high last time and it ended up being pretty hairy for them

[Ostroeuropa]

I've always kind of thought the NHS was pretty heavy into patient agency but recent experiences have really illuminated how that just isn't the case all the time and you get them just stonewalling you in some circumstances.

Someone close to me has a tumor and has for a while. They're now stable provided they take the appropriate meds, it's not getting *worse*. The radiotherapy stopped the growth. They have a gene that makes them resistant to chemotherapy.

So... surgery.

Ahhhh but it's not getting any worse and you're not gonna die so we're not gonna do that.

...

months of "Quality of life" discussions.

Ahhhhhh but it's not getting any worse-

Quality of life, really wanna do it.

Not getting any worse, if it grew we would, but it's not, soo...

It's better to have it now when i'm young than risk it when i'm older, right?

Yeah but it might not need to happen at all, you're fine.

I'm not fine i'm like, in pain daily?

Yeah but you know, surgery is risky and-

*(months of this shit)

Look. If I don't get some more options i'm going to stop taking the medication and then you'll *have* to operate.

OH OK we'll see what we can do, don't do that.

Holy shit that took too long. I get that they're all "Muh unnecessary medical risk", but we were super clear it was a quality of life thing and just got nowhere with them.

At a certain point it's obvious the patient knows the risks and is prepared to accept them. This isn't some wacky scheme they cooked up. It's a thing that *could* work and even the doctors acknowledge it.

Yes it's a super fringe case because she got like, the worst dice rolls. Tumor, resistant to chemo, allergic to the dye they use for scans. So it might be a case of opening her up and being like "We can't do anything about that, close.". They don't *know* what's going on in her head. Maybe that's why. Maybe they don't know how to proceed with this case because if they had the scan they could accurately gauge how risky the surgery is, but without that information they're just stuck in a recursive loop. They kept sending her to get scans too and she was like;

I'm allergic to the dye.

Followed by;

"Well, we can try without it"

-Scan is useless.

Rinse repeat about once a month every month until she just told them she wasn't going to come in for scans anymore unless they had new ways of doing it.

[Fartsniffage]

I've always kind of thought the NHS was pretty heavy into patient agency but recent experiences have really illuminated how that just isn't the case all the time and you get them just stonewalling you in some circumstances.

Someone close to me has a tumor and has for a while. They're now stable provided they take the appropriate meds, it's not getting *worse*. The radiotherapy stopped the growth. They have a gene that makes them resistant to chemotherapy.

So... surgery.

Ahhhh but it's not getting any worse and you're not gonna die so we're not gonna do that.

...

months of "Quality of life" discussions.

Ahhhhhh but it's not getting any worse-

Quality of life, really wanna do it.

Not getting any worse, if it grew we would, but it's not, soo...

It's better to have it now when i'm young than risk it when i'm older, right?

Yeah but it might not need to happen at all, you're fine.

I'm not fine i'm like, in pain daily?

Yeah but you know, surgery is risky and-

*(months of this shit)

Look. If I don't get some more options i'm going to stop taking the medication and then you'll *have* to operate.

OH OK we'll see what we can do, don't do that.

Holy shit that took too long. I get that they're all "Muh unnecessary medical risk", but we were super clear it was a quality of life thing and just got nowhere with them.

At a certain point it's obvious the patient knows the risks and is prepared to accept them. This isn't some wacky scheme they cooked up. It's a thing that *could* work and even the doctors acknowledge it.

I guess it depends. I have some loose metalwork in my ankle. My surgeons opinion is that he'll pull it whenever I want.