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by The Blaatschapen » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:53 am
by Chan Island » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:06 am
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:The majority of British people say that violence against MPs to achieve their desired Brexit outcome is a price worth paying. This includes a majority of both Remainers and Leavers, albeit a higher % for leavers (50s vs 70s)
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:13 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Where has everyone gone?
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:01 am
by Gormwood » Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:21 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I am unsure where this editorial from Dagens Nyheter (in Swedish) has gotten its info from but apparently... BoJo has threatened to refuse to govern, refuse to create budgets and just use the time in parliament to bitch and whine about this prospective election of his.
My thoughts?: *THONKING*
by Hydesland » Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:53 pm
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:The majority of British people say that violence against MPs to achieve their desired Brexit outcome is a price worth paying. This includes a majority of both Remainers and Leavers, albeit a higher % for leavers (50s vs 70s)
by Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:04 pm
Hydesland wrote:Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:The majority of British people say that violence against MPs to achieve their desired Brexit outcome is a price worth paying. This includes a majority of both Remainers and Leavers, albeit a higher % for leavers (50s vs 70s)
Worth pointing out that that headline is bollocks https://twitter.com/Fellwolf/status/118 ... 69090?s=20
by Vassenor » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:12 pm
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:Hydesland wrote:
Worth pointing out that that headline is bollocks https://twitter.com/Fellwolf/status/118 ... 69090?s=20
The hero we need. Thanks for that.
Vassenor wrote:Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:The majority of British people say that violence against MPs to achieve their desired Brexit outcome is a price worth paying. This includes a majority of both Remainers and Leavers, albeit a higher % for leavers (50s vs 70s)
Note that only about 7% actually want violence against MPs to happen (well 8 and 9% of leavers do, 2 and 2% of Remainers do), I think this is more about how we’ve normalised violence against MPs and how for a large segments of the population MPs are geared as sub-human.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:33 pm
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:The majority of British people say that violence against MPs to achieve their desired Brexit outcome is a price worth paying. This includes a majority of both Remainers and Leavers, albeit a higher % for leavers (50s vs 70s)
by Vassenor » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:36 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:The majority of British people say that violence against MPs to achieve their desired Brexit outcome is a price worth paying. This includes a majority of both Remainers and Leavers, albeit a higher % for leavers (50s vs 70s)
The collapse of the neoliberal consensus continues.
by Celritannia » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:38 pm
Vassenor wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
The collapse of the neoliberal consensus continues.
What the fuck does Neoliberalism have to do with this aside from you wanting to gripe about your preferred bugbears?
Because I'm pretty sure "it's not OK to use, risk or threaten violence against the government" is not really a neoliberal exclusive position.
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by Ostroeuropa » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:40 pm
Vassenor wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
The collapse of the neoliberal consensus continues.
What the fuck does Neoliberalism have to do with this aside from you wanting to gripe about your preferred bugbears?
Because I'm pretty sure "it's not OK to use, risk or threaten violence against the government" is not really a neoliberal exclusive position.
by Celritannia » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:48 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Vassenor wrote:
What the fuck does Neoliberalism have to do with this aside from you wanting to gripe about your preferred bugbears?
Because I'm pretty sure "it's not OK to use, risk or threaten violence against the government" is not really a neoliberal exclusive position.
The neoliberal consensus is the current political order, and the widespread acceptance of violence to dislodge it represents an indication their crisis of legitimacy is reaching a peak. The widespread acceptance of violence by two sides of a political question is like, anti-consensus. That's the least consensus thing ever.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017 ... mp-beyond/
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by Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:18 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Vassenor wrote:
What the fuck does Neoliberalism have to do with this aside from you wanting to gripe about your preferred bugbears?
Because I'm pretty sure "it's not OK to use, risk or threaten violence against the government" is not really a neoliberal exclusive position.
The neoliberal consensus is the current political order, and the widespread acceptance of violence to dislodge it represents an indication their crisis of legitimacy is reaching a peak. The widespread acceptance of violence by two sides of a political question is like, anti-consensus. That's the least consensus thing ever.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017 ... mp-beyond/
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:19 pm
Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
The neoliberal consensus is the current political order, and the widespread acceptance of violence to dislodge it represents an indication their crisis of legitimacy is reaching a peak. The widespread acceptance of violence by two sides of a political question is like, anti-consensus. That's the least consensus thing ever.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017 ... mp-beyond/
Except as was pointed out by others in this thread, the numbers are not actually as high as that misleading headline suggested. Not only was the original question about risk of violence, not about actually committing it, but there is also data suggesting that people believe it's both a low risk, and that it is not preferable.
In truth, it seems only about 7% of leavers and 2% of remainers want violence. Only about 50% on both sides think violence of any kind is likely.
Thanks once again to Hydesland for posting the correction. And boo for having been exposed to a Daily Mail headline.
by Annihilators of Chan Island » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:24 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:
Except as was pointed out by others in this thread, the numbers are not actually as high as that misleading headline suggested. Not only was the original question about risk of violence, not about actually committing it, but there is also data suggesting that people believe it's both a low risk, and that it is not preferable.
In truth, it seems only about 7% of leavers and 2% of remainers want violence. Only about 50% on both sides think violence of any kind is likely.
Thanks once again to Hydesland for posting the correction. And boo for having been exposed to a Daily Mail headline.
Okey doke. That's fair.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:11 am
by Gormwood » Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:58 am
by Souseiseki » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:30 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaked government papers suggest that worker's rights and environmental protections open to being diluted after Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50194676
by Ifreann » Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:47 am
Souseiseki wrote:An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaked government papers suggest that worker's rights and environmental protections open to being diluted after Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50194676
but the brexiters kept telling me that we actually have better protections than the whole EU. how could this be?
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:00 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:03 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I am unsure where this editorial from Dagens Nyheter (in Swedish) has gotten its info from but apparently... BoJo has threatened to refuse to govern, refuse to create budgets and just use the time in parliament to bitch and whine about this prospective election of his.
My thoughts?: *THONKING*
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:03 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaked government papers suggest that worker's rights and environmental protections open to being diluted after Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50194676
by The New California Republic » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:03 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Leaked government papers suggest that worker's rights and environmental protections open to being diluted after Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50194676
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