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UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:51 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.

I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.

In light of the following statement, why do you even give a shit about abortion:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, I don't really think human life holds any intrinsic value. People might die, but that isn't something I fear.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:52 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.

You don't advocate murder, you just don't care if dismantling public services leads to death. But you expect us to believe we care about abortion? You want the police force crippled and ineffective so that they can never fuck with your life, but also you want them enforcing a ban on abortion.

I'd like doctors to enforce it honestly.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:53 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.

In light of the following statement, why do you even give a shit about abortion:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, I don't really think human life holds any intrinsic value. People might die, but that isn't something I fear.

Because everybody deserves a chance to come out on top in the glorious game that my society would turn into. Aborting them is denying them that chance.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:53 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.

I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.

Oh so you have suddenly changed all of your beliefs? Because I remember clearly you in the past advocated for nations to be thrown into chaos so that a government you like can come to power. Or are you so naive to think that nations being thrown into chaos would not see god knows how many people dead?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:54 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.


So you want death panels?

I hear those are popular in America.


Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You don't advocate murder, you just don't care if dismantling public services leads to death. But you expect us to believe we care about abortion? You want the police force crippled and ineffective so that they can never fuck with your life, but also you want them enforcing a ban on abortion.

I'd like doctors to enforce it honestly.

Doctors are gonna smash into people's homes and shoot them to stop them from taking abortion pills they bought online?

Hardcore.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:55 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:In light of the following statement, why do you even give a shit about abortion:


Because everybody deserves a chance to come out on top in the glorious game that my society would turn into. Aborting them is denying them that chance.


Hahahahahaha.

You should create a new puppet to get people going. I think this one is spent.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:55 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you want death panels?

I hear those are popular in America.


Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I'd like doctors to enforce it honestly.

Doctors are gonna smash into people's homes and shoot them to stop them from taking abortion pills they bought online?

Hardcore.

Well, if they buy them online, that's illegal and they should get thrown into prison with, you know...the other criminals.
Doctors should just refuse to perform them.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:56 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Because everybody deserves a chance to come out on top in the glorious game that my society would turn into. Aborting them is denying them that chance.


Hahahahahaha.

You should create a new puppet to get people going. I think this one is spent.

What are you talking about? This is obviously my main, I've made nearly 15k posts on it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:56 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:In light of the following statement, why do you even give a shit about abortion:


Because everybody deserves a chance to come out on top in the glorious game that my society would turn into. Aborting them is denying them that chance.

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Postby Andsed » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:57 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:In light of the following statement, why do you even give a shit about abortion:


Because everybody deserves a chance to come out on top in the glorious game that my society would turn into. Aborting them is denying them that chance.

I would not call nations being thrown into anarchy with their government completely breaking down resulting in a power vacuum leading to civil war with the possibility of paramilitary groups battling each other with no one to stop them ¨glorious.¨ But hey that might just be me excising basic human empathy which who really cares about that? :roll:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I hear those are popular in America.



Doctors are gonna smash into people's homes and shoot them to stop them from taking abortion pills they bought online?

Hardcore.

Well, if they buy them online, that's illegal and they should get thrown into prison with, you know...the other criminals.
Doctors should just refuse to perform them.

Prison? I thought you did not want law enforcement?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:57 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I hear those are popular in America.



Doctors are gonna smash into people's homes and shoot them to stop them from taking abortion pills they bought online?

Hardcore.

Well, if they buy them online, that's illegal and they should get thrown into prison with, you know...the other criminals.
Doctors should just refuse to perform them.

Lots of things are illegal and yet happen.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:59 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Hahahahahaha.

You should create a new puppet to get people going. I think this one is spent.

What are you talking about? This is obviously my main, I've made nearly 15k posts on it.


I know. And now everyone will think you're just being silly with it. What a waste of time. Sucks to be you.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:59 pm

Andsed wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, if they buy them online, that's illegal and they should get thrown into prison with, you know...the other criminals.
Doctors should just refuse to perform them.

Prison? I thought you did not want law enforcement?

It's the "having your cake and eating it" policy of GVH. Trying to have two mutually exclusive things at the same time. Yeah I don't get it either.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:02 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:What are you talking about? This is obviously my main, I've made nearly 15k posts on it.


I know. And now everyone will think you're just being silly with it. What a waste of time. Sucks to be you.

I've always been serious here.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:03 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Andsed wrote:
Prison? I thought you did not want law enforcement?

It's the "having your cake and eating it" policy of GVH. Trying to have two mutually exclusive things at the same time. Yeah I don't get it either.


Private prison? Perhaps they could be forced to perform labour, and the money created from such labour is given to the victim.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:04 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's the "having your cake and eating it" policy of GVH. Trying to have two mutually exclusive things at the same time. Yeah I don't get it either.


Private prison? Perhaps they could be forced to perform labour, and the money created from such labour is given to the victim.

Private prisons is a terrible idea. Letting private companies arrest people is far worse than a police force doing it.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:05 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's the "having your cake and eating it" policy of GVH. Trying to have two mutually exclusive things at the same time. Yeah I don't get it either.


Private prison? Perhaps they could be forced to perform labour, and the money created from such labour is given to the victim.

Forced by whomst? If you try to put people in your prison, they're just going to shoot you.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:06 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's the "having your cake and eating it" policy of GVH. Trying to have two mutually exclusive things at the same time. Yeah I don't get it either.


Private prison? Perhaps they could be forced to perform labour, and the money created from such labour is given to the victim.

I await the moment your ideal society is bought out in whole by the People's Republic of China and the Ministry for State Security starts running Reeducation by Labour camps in your neighbourhood.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:06 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It's the "having your cake and eating it" policy of GVH. Trying to have two mutually exclusive things at the same time. Yeah I don't get it either.


Private prison? Perhaps they could be forced to perform labour, and the money created from such labour is given to the victim.

The "victim" of abortion? How can you give money to a dead fetus? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I think Fartsniffage was right. Are you transferring to a new puppet soon and just wrecking this account?
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:08 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Private prison? Perhaps they could be forced to perform labour, and the money created from such labour is given to the victim.

The "victim" of abortion? How can you give money to a dead fetus? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I think Fartsniffage was right. Are you transferring to a new puppet soon and just wrecking this account?

The family of the victim. I.e. the father.

I don't plan to transfer over, no. All my rp is on this account, why would I want to?
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:08 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Private prison? Perhaps they could be forced to perform labour, and the money created from such labour is given to the victim.

Forced by whomst? If you try to put people in your prison, they're just going to shoot you.

I admit it may turn into something of an arms race.
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“Silent acquiescence in the face of tyranny is no better than outright agreement." - C.J. Redwine
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - Jeff Cooper

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:10 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The "victim" of abortion? How can you give money to a dead fetus? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

The family of the victim. I.e. the father.

What a colossal load of shite. Do you even hear yourself right now?
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:11 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The family of the victim. I.e. the father.

What a colossal load of shite. Do you even hear yourself right now?

It's the sweetest music known to him.


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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:12 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The family of the victim. I.e. the father.

What a colossal load of shite. Do you even hear yourself right now?

Yes. I literally hear everything I write.
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“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles." - Jeff Cooper

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:14 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What a colossal load of shite. Do you even hear yourself right now?

Yes. I literally hear everything I write.

Good job I said this earlier:
The New California Republic wrote:Hence why I'm not really taking what he is saying seriously.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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