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UK Politics Thread XI: Boris' Big Bombastic Brexit Bash

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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:24 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Cannot parse this statement. Please restate.

Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.

Take that nonsense (and it is nonsense) over to the abortion thread.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:24 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.

I don't think you have as much budget as you think you have to make proclamations on morality like this.

...when murder=bad isn't acceptable.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:25 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.

Take that nonsense (and it is nonsense) over to the abortion thread.

It's so sad that when the DUP actually do something good their reputation proceeds them.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:26 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Cannot parse this statement. Please restate.

Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.


I like my mum. Not going to let you kill her. And I'm pretty sure I could beat you in a fight blind guy.

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:27 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Take that nonsense (and it is nonsense) over to the abortion thread.

It's so sad that when the DUP actually do something good their reputation proceeds them.

They aren't doing something good though. In fact, they didn't *do* anything. They tried to and failed. Miserably.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:29 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.


I like my mum. Not going to let you kill her. And I'm pretty sure I could beat you in a fight blind guy.

I don't get your statement. Nobody gets killed with my abortion ideas.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:30 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I like my mum. Not going to let you kill her. And I'm pretty sure I could beat you in a fight blind guy.

I don't get your statement. Nobody gets killed with my abortion ideas.

A bit hypocritical to make noises about saving lives here by you, don't you think?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:30 pm

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Hirota wrote:It's quite odd that the Unionist parties with their opposition towards abortion have more in common with their traditionalist Catholic Irish cousins more than the people the other side of the Irish sea.


What seems more weird is that they're more conservative and anti-abortion than their Catholic rivals, when in the rest of the UK it's the CoE/CoS* which is relatively more liberal than Catholicism. It's like they're trying to look cool in front of their friends but ended up taking it too far out of despiration, like how Quebec is more French than France.

*The Welsh don't go to church, they're already faithful enough.

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Unionism has always been more conservative that Irish Nationalism in NI, always been has for the most.

I chalk it up largely to NI's history, with the Irish Catholic community being the victim of heavy sectarianism and discrimination at the hands of the government and thus at its core, being more liberal leaning, due to our own struggles for civil rights and equality.

Especially amongst SF and "Other" party voting catholics, Most conservative Catholics (The ones more likely to be opposed to abortion and SSM) would vote for the SDLP last i checked.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:31 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't get your statement. Nobody gets killed with my abortion ideas.

A bit hypocritical to make noises about saving lives here by you, don't you think?

Not really, I don't advocate for healthcare but I also don't advocate for killing.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:31 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:It is hilarious how the DUP can't do fuck all in terms of hammering out a deal to get Stormont functioning again, but yet it's all hands on deck because abortion and gay marriage are going to become legal in a matter of hours. :roll:

Well, the DUP might be bad people, but perhaps even they draw the line at abortion.

DUP members have been involved in and support far worse than abortion.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:33 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well, the DUP might be bad people, but perhaps even they draw the line at abortion.

DUP members have been involved in and support far worse than abortion.

Well yeah, the UVF is probably worse than abortion I suppose.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:33 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:A bit hypocritical to make noises about saving lives here by you, don't you think?

Not really, I don't advocate for healthcare but I also don't advocate for killing.

Based on your previous pronouncements on vaccines one could make a fairly strong case of accusing you of advocating active murder.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:33 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
I like my mum. Not going to let you kill her. And I'm pretty sure I could beat you in a fight blind guy.

I don't get your statement. Nobody gets killed with my abortion ideas.


Lack of care would have maybe resulted in her death when she was pregnant with her 3rd child. Her catholic GP said she'd be fine, other doctors said she'd probably die.

I like my mum.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:33 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:DUP members have been involved in and support far worse than abortion.

Well yeah, the UVF is probably worse than abortion I suppose.

Probably, like 60/40 chance
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I don't get your statement. Nobody gets killed with my abortion ideas.


Lack of care would have maybe resulted in her death when she was pregnant with her 3rd child. Her catholic GP said she'd be fine, other doctors said she'd probably die.

I like my mum.

Obviously abortion should be allowed if the mothers life is in danger. But...'I don't feel ready for a child' can fuck off.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:38 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Well yeah, the UVF is probably worse than abortion I suppose.

Probably, like 60/40 chance


It's going down to the judges I'd say. I wouldn't bet either way.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:39 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Obviously abortion should be allowed if the mothers life is in danger. But...'I don't feel ready for a child' can fuck off.

The New California Republic wrote:Take that nonsense [...] over to the abortion thread.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:42 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Lack of care would have maybe resulted in her death when she was pregnant with her 3rd child. Her catholic GP said she'd be fine, other doctors said she'd probably die.

I like my mum.

Obviously abortion should be allowed if the mothers life is in danger. But...'I don't feel ready for a child' can fuck off.


But who makes that decision?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:44 pm

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Obviously abortion should be allowed if the mothers life is in danger. But...'I don't feel ready for a child' can fuck off.


But who makes that decision?

A panel of medical practitioners skilled in the art of making people better.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:45 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Cannot parse this statement. Please restate.

Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.

Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.

Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.

Hence why I'm not really taking what he is saying seriously.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.

Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.

Tis indeed hilarious.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:48 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Have children, raise or give them away. Your lack of responsibility does not give you the right to kill.

Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.

I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:51 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.

I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.

You don't advocate murder, you just don't care if dismantling public services leads to death. But you expect us to believe we care about abortion? You want the police force crippled and ineffective so that they can never fuck with your life, but also you want them enforcing a ban on abortion.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:51 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fucking lol that you, the poster who wants society destroyed no matter the harm people suffer, up to and including your own death, give a fuck about abortion.

I don't advocate murder, I just don't advocate taxation. They are not mutually exclusive.


So you want death panels?

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