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Who do you support to become the next Labour Party Leader?

Clive Lewis (DROPPED OUT)
2
2%
Keir Starmer (Shadow Brexit Secretary, MP for Holborn and St Pancras)
48
41%
Lisa Nandy (MP for Wigan)
11
9%
Jess Phillips (DROPPED OUT)
17
15%
Emily Thornberry (Shadow First Secretary of State, MP for Islington South and Finsbury)
7
6%
Yvette Cooper (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Dan Jarvis (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Ian Lavery (DROPPED OUT)
1
1%
Rebecca Long Bailey (Shadow Business Secretary, MP for Salford and Eccles)
17
15%
Other (Please state who in a reply)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 116

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:52 am

Souseiseki wrote:seems like the writers might be seriously considering putting the DUP on team remain for the season 3 finale. very ambitious.

I still think the last episode will reveal that this was all a dream. A terrible, terrible dream.
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Postby Cerinda » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:20 am

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Postby Chan Island » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:29 am

So Letwin passed. That's got to mean an extension, right?
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Postby Shamhnan Insir » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:35 am

Chan Island wrote:So Letwin passed. That's got to mean an extension, right?

Not quite.
EU could, and likely won't say anything for a day or two and let this stew to see if anything squeaks out on Monday. If that looks to be a piss about, which it looks like it will be, then the EU might offer us something.
Thing is, last time this happened, we fucked about literally as soon as the EU gave us the extension with the warning not to waste time. EU will be keen to not let that happen again.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:38 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:The title.....I'm in tears....

Pasong Tirad wrote:Dropping in to say that the thread title is perfect.

Carry on.

Kowani wrote:This title is a masterpiece.

Shamhnan Insir wrote:I'll add to the appreciation of the title. Good work Huskar.

Going to play in the rain for about 5/6 hours, should probably learn as much useful information on Brexit in that time than if I stayed in watching news updates on the subject.
Good luck to you all.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:39 am

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Postby Chan Island » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:40 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
Chan Island wrote:So Letwin passed. That's got to mean an extension, right?

Not quite.
EU could, and likely won't say anything for a day or two and let this stew to see if anything squeaks out on Monday. If that looks to be a piss about, which it looks like it will be, then the EU might offer us something.
Thing is, last time this happened, we fucked about literally as soon as the EU gave us the extension with the warning not to waste time. EU will be keen to not let that happen again.


Alright, understood.

We will have to see what happens.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:40 am

You gave me ear worms so I'm not happy but if it's a potent enough title to do that gj :p
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:43 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:You gave me ear worms so I'm not happy but if it's a potent enough title to do that gj :p

wat
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:50 am

Stephen Dempster on twitter:

Breaking: senior loyalist source tonight says discussions between loyalists/unionists of all backgrounds taken place in past 24 hours - “civil disobedience on a large scale has been discussed, as well as a large rally” to resist Brexit deal. More developments expected next week
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Postby Chan Island » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:51 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:You gave me ear worms so I'm not happy but if it's a potent enough title to do that gj :p

wat


His head is buzzing with the song in the title. Or that the title parodies.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=513597&p=39401766#p39401766
Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:53 am

Chan Island wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:wat


His head is buzzing with the song in the title. Or that the title parodies.

Ohhhhhhhh
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:12 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
His head is buzzing with the song in the title. Or that the title parodies.

Ohhhhhhhh


The wheels on the bus all the way to McDonalds.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:16 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Ohhhhhhhh


The wheels on the bus all the way to McDonalds.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:23 am

There is a big incentive for Johnson to just delay now. If he wants to ensure Brexit, he informally negotiate an extension, wait until the 30th, and then pull out the rug from underneath the Council and not formally move his extension request. At that point, there will be no time to do anything, not even a possibility, and on the 31st, the UK will leave the European Union. In complete contravention of UK law, but that does not matter. UK law does not modify European law, and once out, there will be no opportunity for the UK to get back in easily.
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Postby Philjia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:35 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:There is a big incentive for Johnson to just delay now. If he wants to ensure Brexit, he informally negotiate an extension, wait until the 30th, and then pull out the rug from underneath the Council and not formally move his extension request. At that point, there will be no time to do anything, not even a possibility, and on the 31st, the UK will leave the European Union. In complete contravention of UK law, but that does not matter. UK law does not modify European law, and once out, there will be no opportunity for the UK to get back in easily.

Also if he doesn't he could be arrested.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:42 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Ohhhhhhhh


The wheels on the bus all the way to McDonalds.

But do they go DUP DUP DUP? That's the most important question.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:54 am

Outer Sparta wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The wheels on the bus all the way to McDonalds.

But do they go DUP DUP DUP? That's the most important question.

The wheels on a bus usually go DUP DUP DUP whenever somebody gets thrown under them.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:56 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Stephen Dempster on twitter:

Breaking: senior loyalist source tonight says discussions between loyalists/unionists of all backgrounds taken place in past 24 hours - “civil disobedience on a large scale has been discussed, as well as a large rally” to resist Brexit deal. More developments expected next week

Marching...out of season? Truly these are dark times for Britain.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:02 am

Gormwood wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:But do they go DUP DUP DUP? That's the most important question.

The wheels on a bus usually go DUP DUP DUP whenever somebody gets thrown under them.

And its gotta be the London double-decker bus. No other bus can suffice.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:50 am

The UK. and Spain, examples of how you should not run your government. That is what happens when you vote into political office used car salesmen instead of serious people. :blink:
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:55 am

The problem with Eastern European immigration. Sound on.

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Postby Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:55 am

Vassenor wrote:
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:I like how Hammond voted for May's deal three times, but votes against this one which is identical to May's deal except that it gives the UK power to withdraw from the customs union at will rather than being bound to it forever.

Almost as if Hammond was .. in it for his career? :thonk:


How does "we approve the deal but need to make sure we have time to implement it properly" constitute "[voting] against the deal"?


Hammond voted against Boris' deal, not just for Lewis bill.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:56 am

Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
How does "we approve the deal but need to make sure we have time to implement it properly" constitute "[voting] against the deal"?


Hammond voted against Boris' deal, not just for Lewis bill.


There hasn't been a vote on the Boris deal. He pulled it after the amendment was approved.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:58 am

Fartsniffage wrote:The problem with European immigration. Sound on.

https://imgur.com/gallery/wN6BOp8

Its a top deal tho
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