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Should fireworks be...

Sold freely to anyone at anytime
29
36%
Sold with restrictions (i.e. age, restricted duration; please specify)
32
40%
Sold only to licensed people running a professional display
15
19%
Sold only to the Hoff. Only the Hoff can be trusted with fireworks
3
4%
Not sold at any time
2
2%
 
Total votes : 81

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Postby The Holy Therns » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:52 pm

Eh. Fireworks suck and people who love them tend to be annoying to me.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:55 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:Eh. Fireworks suck and people who love them tend to be annoying to me.


I just like blowing things up.
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Postby Thepeopl » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:Eh. Fireworks suck and people who love them tend to be annoying to me.


I just like blowing things up.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:16 pm

Kowani wrote:Imagine liking fireworks.

Sst, personal preference got it? :p

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The Holy Therns wrote:Eh. Fireworks suck and people who love them tend to be annoying to me.


I just like blowing things up.

Wew, don't say that out loud. Maybe the FBI is still around :p
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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:22 pm

Here we only have one legal opportunity to use fireworks every year

So as you can imagine, people go all out in those 5-6 days of New Year's
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:52 pm

Thepeopl wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
I just like blowing things up.

Cool cats don't look at explosions, they just walk away

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:38 pm

> people do not have a right not to be offended
> animals are less than people
> they have even less of a right not to be offended than people
I don't care if your dog is scared of fireworks, if I've got something to celebrate I'll spend my own money making it as loud and flashy as I like.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Ah. Sorry.

Yeah, the UK sells them in the run up and following to Hallowe'en, Bonfire Night, and in the run-up to New Year, Diwali and Chinese New Year. (Source)


You can actually get them all year round from a licensed fireworks seller. There's one about 10 minutes walk from my house.

Should have been clearer and said "sold anywhere". There used to be a licensed seller somewhere around here, but they closed about three years ago and no new one has opened up.

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The Holy Therns wrote:Eh. Fireworks suck and people who love them tend to be annoying to me.


I just like blowing things up.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:18 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You can actually get them all year round from a licensed fireworks seller. There's one about 10 minutes walk from my house.

Should have been clearer and said "sold anywhere". There used to be a licensed seller somewhere around here, but they closed about three years ago and no new one has opened up.

I can't say I'm sorry.

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I just like blowing things up.

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I think there are still online fireworks sellers in the UK.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:21 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Should have been clearer and said "sold anywhere". There used to be a licensed seller somewhere around here, but they closed about three years ago and no new one has opened up.

I can't say I'm sorry.


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I think there are still online fireworks sellers in the UK.

Kind of problematic, though, for checking ID (as they can't be sold to minors in the UK). Any tearaway teen could get hold of Daddy's credit card and order fireworks, not only causing a public nuisance, but potentially injuring himself or his friends.
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Postby James_xenoland » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:22 pm

Anytime generally. There's a shop/warehouse/producer near where i live that sells just about everything legal year-round. (even mortar and shell level stuff)
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:29 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I think there are still online fireworks sellers in the UK.

Kind of problematic, though, for checking ID (as they can't be sold to minors in the UK). Any tearaway teen could get hold of Daddy's credit card and order fireworks, not only causing a public nuisance, but potentially injuring himself or his friends.

I bought a whole load of fireworks from the shop I mentioned, and after checking they're still going, when I was 16. They didn't check. In my defence I was using Daddy's credit card because he'd said 'Can you order some fireworks for bonfire night?' and I didn't know the law at the time.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:32 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:Kind of problematic, though, for checking ID (as they can't be sold to minors in the UK). Any tearaway teen could get hold of Daddy's credit card and order fireworks, not only causing a public nuisance, but potentially injuring himself or his friends.

I bought a whole load of fireworks from the shop I mentioned, and after checking they're still going, when I was 16. They didn't check. In my defence I was using Daddy's credit card because he'd said 'Can you order some fireworks for bonfire night?' and I didn't know the law at the time.

You kind of made my point about how easy it is for minors to get hold of fireworks (which is part of why I personally think there should be more restrictions on sales). So... thanks, I guess.
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Postby Forsher » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:34 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:> people do not have a right not to be offended
> animals are less than people
> they have even less of a right not to be offended than people
I don't care if your dog is scared of fireworks, if I've got something to celebrate I'll spend my own money making it as loud and flashy as I like.


Offence has nothing to do with it.

Fireworks are a classic externality problem. If you want to be really fancy you can treat them as positive and negative consumption externalities.

So, in some ways, it's a property rights issue. Banning fireworks is the hard right response.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:37 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I bought a whole load of fireworks from the shop I mentioned, and after checking they're still going, when I was 16. They didn't check. In my defence I was using Daddy's credit card because he'd said 'Can you order some fireworks for bonfire night?' and I didn't know the law at the time.

You kind of made my point about how easy it is for minors to get hold of fireworks (which is part of why I personally think there should be more restrictions on sales). So... thanks, I guess.

I don't agree with it though. I bought the fireworks, put them in the basement, we used them for a birthday, they were noisy. Nothing went wrong.

My family are one of those families that like fireworks. Things get fucking loud lol, although we don't do it so much in Scotland because, you know, lots of chickens and our neighbours already hate us because we keep noisy chickens. The idea of the sort of noise chickens would make when combined with fireworks doesn't bear thinking about, it would probably burst your eardrums.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:39 pm

Forsher wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:> people do not have a right not to be offended
> animals are less than people
> they have even less of a right not to be offended than people
I don't care if your dog is scared of fireworks, if I've got something to celebrate I'll spend my own money making it as loud and flashy as I like.


Offence has nothing to do with it.

Fireworks are a classic externality problem. If you want to be really fancy you can treat them as positive and negative consumption externalities.

So, in some ways, it's a property rights issue. Banning fireworks is the hard right response.

If you use them sensibly, fireworks can be great. If you don't use them sensibly and you hurt yourself, Mr. Darwin smiles down from Heaven, sighs, and says 'I told you so.' If you use them badly and hurt someone else, you should go to prison like any crime against the person. Scaring animals really isn't the issue though, unless you avoid it for your own sanity like my family does with the chickens.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:46 pm

"Do you 'ave a loicense for that firework?"

Kidding aside, I am honestly surprised fireworks were not regulated in the UK like they were in New Jersey.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:47 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:"Do you 'ave a loicense for that firework?"

Kidding aside, I am honestly surprised fireworks were not regulated in the UK like they were in New Jersey.

They are regulated. My parents really struggle to get category 4 (display quality) fireworks, and firecrackers and jumping jacks are completely banned.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:27 pm

Is it possible to make a large display style rocket that works without making a loud bang? Could we have fireworks that don't terrify dogs?
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:29 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:Eh. Fireworks suck and people who love them tend to be annoying to me.

You're just jealous cause most fireworks are banned in Sweden.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:44 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:Eh. Fireworks suck and people who love them tend to be annoying to me.

You're just jealous cause most fireworks are banned in Sweden.

I'm jealous that most fireworks are banned in Sweden :p

Joking. Kind of. I want them regulated, not banned entirely.
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Postby Forsher » Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:59 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Is it possible to make a large display style rocket that works without making a loud bang? Could we have fireworks that don't terrify dogs?


The bang is part of the point.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:02 am

Forsher wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Is it possible to make a large display style rocket that works without making a loud bang? Could we have fireworks that don't terrify dogs?


The bang is part of the point.


Not to me. I like the colour and the patterns rather than the explosions.
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Postby Drongonia » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:06 am

Fireworks should be sold to anyone as long as they're above the age of 18. Teenagers here started putting them up ducks' butts and stuff, truly horrible.

Other than that, anyone of age should be able to have them to celebrate any occasion they want, or just for any reason really. If your neighbours have dogs or young children and they complain about you using them, it's your choice whether to listen or not.

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Postby Forsher » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:07 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Forsher wrote:
The bang is part of the point.


Not to me. I like the colour and the patterns rather than the explosions.


Ah, for you, the solution is simple... develop myopia, take off your glasses and look at literally any lights at night... instant fireworks.

On a related note, I sometimes wonder if van Gogh was an undiagnosed myopic.
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