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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:01 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Nationalize Amazon. Arrest the corporate leaders. Ban corporations from funding campaigns

Yeah, Donald Trump in control of Amazon would be so much better than Jeff Bezos.

Well, if you're planning on breaking Amazon's control, running it into the ground is the best way to do that...

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:01 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yeah, Donald Trump in control of Amazon would be so much better than Jeff Bezos.

Well, if you're planning on breaking Amazon's control, running it into the ground is the best way to do that...

True, but I'd rather not break Amazon's control by their workers suffering even worse conditions than they already suffer.
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Well, if you're planning on breaking Amazon's control, running it into the ground is the best way to do that...

True, but I'd rather not break Amazon's control by their workers suffering even worse conditions than they already suffer.

The problem with breaking up businesses is that it forces a lot of workers to lose their jobs. Maybe we could just take every service that Amazon provides and turns each one into an independent company?

So shipping, media, books, online stores, brick and mortar stores (these have recently started popping up, don’t know if they’ve spread out of Seattle yet), food delivery, web server hosting, etc. all become independent?
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:41 am

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Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

This isnt new. Hell if you think a million is a lot just look at how much they will spend fighting unions.

What do you think I was referencing a decade ago.

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Postby Luziyca » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:50 am

Seems incredibly excessive, especially when they have such a low individual limit. They should have removed that loophole.

Pacomia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:True, but I'd rather not break Amazon's control by their workers suffering even worse conditions than they already suffer.

The problem with breaking up businesses is that it forces a lot of workers to lose their jobs. Maybe we could just take every service that Amazon provides and turns each one into an independent company?

So shipping, media, books, online stores, brick and mortar stores (these have recently started popping up, don’t know if they’ve spread out of Seattle yet), food delivery, web server hosting, etc. all become independent?

That would be a brilliant idea, honestly. While we're at it, we should break up Facebook, and Disney.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:03 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nationalize Amazon. Arrest the corporate leaders. Ban corporations from funding campaigns


Unfortunately, Amazon's super PAC convinced congress and the President that you should be arrested instead. Your assets will be given to Bezos so he can burn them in front of you before you are sentenced to a lifetime of work selling Amazon Prime subscriptions. I am sorry but your last chance to prevent this was a decade ago.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:09 am

Pacomia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:True, but I'd rather not break Amazon's control by their workers suffering even worse conditions than they already suffer.

The problem with breaking up businesses is that it forces a lot of workers to lose their jobs. Maybe we could just take every service that Amazon provides and turns each one into an independent company?

So shipping, media, books, online stores, brick and mortar stores (these have recently started popping up, don’t know if they’ve spread out of Seattle yet), food delivery, web server hosting, etc. all become independent?

We could just take Amazon and give it to the workers and let them set conditions for themselves that are not back-breaking or soul-destroying.
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:39 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Pacomia wrote:The problem with breaking up businesses is that it forces a lot of workers to lose their jobs. Maybe we could just take every service that Amazon provides and turns each one into an independent company?

So shipping, media, books, online stores, brick and mortar stores (these have recently started popping up, don’t know if they’ve spread out of Seattle yet), food delivery, web server hosting, etc. all become independent?

We could just take Amazon and give it to the workers and let them set conditions for themselves that are not back-breaking or soul-destroying.

Realistically, the U.S. government would never allow that. It's already a stretch breaking monopolies up in general. Maybe in 1910, but now the capitalist government seems to love monopolies. Odd that capitalism promotes competition when American capitalism doesn't.
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:53 pm

The political action committee, CASE, is apparently supported by the Seattle Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce. CASE says it’s working to improve traffic, fix homelessness, support local business, and “continue to uphold the values that make Seattle great”, although it’s unclear what those are.



Kind of odd that Amazon, their main sponsor, worsened traffic by moving tens of thousands of employees into the city, bullied the city council into repealing a head tax meant to help with the homelessness problem, and is killing local businesses, don’t you think?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:54 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:We could just take Amazon and give it to the workers and let them set conditions for themselves that are not back-breaking or soul-destroying.

Realistically, the U.S. government would never allow that. It's already a stretch breaking monopolies up in general. Maybe in 1910, but now the capitalist government seems to love monopolies. Odd that capitalism promotes competition when American capitalism doesn't.

Bah, damnable reality. Always getting in the way of my fun.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Unfortunately, Amazon's super PAC convinced congress and the President that you should be arrested instead. Your assets will be given to Bezos so he can burn them in front of you before you are sentenced to a lifetime of work selling Amazon Prime subscriptions. I am sorry but your last chance to prevent this was a decade ago.

The coup says otherwise

Let us know how your militia fares against the military.
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:08 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The coup says otherwise

Let us know how your militia fares against the military.

Would the military really support this monopoly?
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:21 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Let us know how your militia fares against the military.

Would the military really support this monopoly?

Every member of the military just received a free amazon dot and 250 dollar gift card.
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Postby Pacomia » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:40 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Would the military really support this monopoly?

Every member of the military just received a free amazon dot and 250 dollar gift card.

Nothing better than good old-fashioned bribery.

Maybe some brainwashing too.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:52 pm

Pacomia wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Every member of the military just received a free amazon dot and 250 dollar gift card.

Nothing better than good old-fashioned bribery.

Maybe some brainwashing too.

Just a patriotic gift sir. Don't you want to give the military service members a gift ?
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:48 am

They tried to get a foothold in NYC. The mayor , Bill DiBlasio, and the NY governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, decided they were going to hand over $3m in tax rebates and Long Island City, Queens to them.

Amazon pulled out when pretty much the rest of the city revolted and other lawmakers, activists and you know, the people LIVING in the neighborhood which would have been destroyed said, "Fuck off."

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/11/16/180985 ... -explained
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:56 am

Holy shit $1 million for just a city council election? All part of the Grand Amazon Plan.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:05 am

Katganistan wrote:They tried to get a foothold in NYC. The mayor , Bill DiBlasio, and the NY governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, decided they were going to hand over $3m in tax rebates and Long Island City, Queens to them.

Amazon pulled out when pretty much the rest of the city revolted and other lawmakers, activists and you know, the people LIVING in the neighborhood which would have been destroyed said, "Fuck off."

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/11/16/180985 ... -explained
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrC3J. ... rduq6DPso-

3 million out of 30 million the state would have received if amazon was able to build, plus the loss of over 1,000 $ 100,000 + jobs. Yeah there is a positive.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:13 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Katganistan wrote:They tried to get a foothold in NYC. The mayor , Bill DiBlasio, and the NY governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, decided they were going to hand over $3m in tax rebates and Long Island City, Queens to them.

Amazon pulled out when pretty much the rest of the city revolted and other lawmakers, activists and you know, the people LIVING in the neighborhood which would have been destroyed said, "Fuck off."

https://ny.curbed.com/2018/11/16/180985 ... -explained
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrC3J. ... rduq6DPso-

3 million out of 30 million the state would have received if amazon was able to build, plus the loss of over 1,000 $ 100,000 + jobs. Yeah there is a positive.

Mmhmm. Do you even know how badly treated Amazon employees are?

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... house.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an- ... as-robots/

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... es-2018-4/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 79111.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -minnesota

So yeah, not having them ruin a neoghborhood and treat people like Dickensenian characters in workhouses and debtor's prisons is A-Ok.

PS Before throwing a neighborhood away to some megabillionaire, might be nice to ask the people who live there how they feel about their new overlord. It at least makes you look about the people who elected you into office.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:16 am

Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:3 million out of 30 million the state would have received if amazon was able to build, plus the loss of over 1,000 $ 100,000 + jobs. Yeah there is a positive.

Mmhmm. Do you even know how badly treated Amazon employees are?

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... house.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an- ... as-robots/

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... es-2018-4/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 79111.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -minnesota

So yeah, not having them ruin a neoghborhood and treat people like Dickensenian characters in workhouses and debtor's prisons is A-Ok.

PS Before throwing a neighborhood away to some megabillionaire, might be nice to ask the people who live there how they feel about their new overlord.

Now let's pay our respects to [insert major city that will be Amazon's next victim buddy]
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Postby Mingulay Isle » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:16 am

With the city passing taxes targeted at them you can hardly be surprised.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:19 am

Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:3 million out of 30 million the state would have received if amazon was able to build, plus the loss of over 1,000 $ 100,000 + jobs. Yeah there is a positive.

Mmhmm. Do you even know how badly treated Amazon employees are?

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... house.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an- ... as-robots/

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... es-2018-4/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 79111.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -minnesota

So yeah, not having them ruin a neoghborhood and treat people like Dickensenian characters in workhouses and debtor's prisons is A-Ok.

This wasnt warehouse this was a headquarters. Management gets treated better everywhere, secondly they would have to comply with city work laws, as long as what they do is lawful there is no reason to ban them from doing business in the city.

As to gentrification that neighborhood was ruined decades ago
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Postby Page » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:23 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Mmhmm. Do you even know how badly treated Amazon employees are?

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/ ... house.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-an- ... as-robots/

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon- ... es-2018-4/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 79111.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -minnesota

So yeah, not having them ruin a neoghborhood and treat people like Dickensenian characters in workhouses and debtor's prisons is A-Ok.

This wasnt warehouse this was a headquarters. Management gets treated better everywhere, secondly they would have to comply with city work laws, as long as what they do is lawful there is no reason to ban them from doing business in the city.

As to gentrification that neighborhood was ruined decades ago


New York didn't "ban" Amazon, they said "we're not going to pay you millions of dollars of taxpayer money to set up shop here"
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