by Elwher » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:15 pm
by Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:38 pm
by Cekoviu » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:48 pm
by Aureumterra » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:52 pm
by 95X » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:02 pm
I'm obviously not a legal professional, but as I understand firing an employee and refusing to employ someone are two different matters. Employers can already "move forward with other candidates that more closely match the qualifications for the position" through a simple web search for a person's name and evaluating the results and/or searching other available data and resources. As for firing someone who donated money to someone or something, I think they have to prove why and how it hurts their business and that the standards are applied fairly across everyone who works for the company (again, not a lawyer, not a legal professional, not advice of any kind, NS isn't the place to seek nor find this kind of advice, etc.).Elwher wrote:…is it right for a company to refuse to employ an individual because of what they do with the money given them in exchange for their service?
Would it be right to fire an employee because he sends money to Al Sharpton, since he is an avowed anti-Semite?
If not, what is the difference between the two scenarios?
Nation not my RL views, etc.
Poe's Law. Nonpartisan.
by Greed and Death » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:46 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:Boycotts are fine. What I don't agree with, when a company fires somebody because of his or her political affiliations or groups they may or may not support in contrast of their corporate employer. What a person does on their own time is their business. Now if said person was doing this on company time, then fine, no issue in firing said person.
by Cappuccina » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:57 pm
Aureumterra wrote:Companies should be able fire for any reason, if the higher ups think its bad for business, they have the right to fire
by Vetalia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:29 pm
by The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:43 pm
by Katganistan » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:53 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Grinning Dragon wrote:Boycotts are fine. What I don't agree with, when a company fires somebody because of his or her political affiliations or groups they may or may not support in contrast of their corporate employer. What a person does on their own time is their business. Now if said person was doing this on company time, then fine, no issue in firing said person.
So if I am reading this correctly, you believe the neo nazi who lost his job as a hot dog seller shoulnd't have been fired ?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/201 ... 569487001/
by Vetalia » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:54 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Boycotts are perfectly fine. People choose to do that.
Firing an employee because you don’t like their politics? Sorry.
Now the employee wearing logos....mentioning the business....firing is warranted if the business can show it was hurt by the actions.....
by Elwher » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:29 pm
by Elwher » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:31 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Boycotts are perfectly fine. People choose to do that.
Firing an employee because you don’t like their politics? Sorry.
Now the employee wearing logos....mentioning the business....firing is warranted if the business can show it was hurt by the actions.....
by Elwher » Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:33 pm
95X wrote:I'm obviously not a legal professional, but as I understand firing an employee and refusing to employ someone are two different matters. Employers can already "move forward with other candidates that more closely match the qualifications for the position" through a simple web search for a person's name and evaluating the results and/or searching other available data and resources. As for firing someone who donated money to someone or something, I think they have to prove why and how it hurts their business and that the standards are applied fairly across everyone who works for the company (again, not a lawyer, not a legal professional, not advice of any kind, NS isn't the place to seek nor find this kind of advice, etc.).Elwher wrote:…is it right for a company to refuse to employ an individual because of what they do with the money given them in exchange for their service?
Would it be right to fire an employee because he sends money to Al Sharpton, since he is an avowed anti-Semite?
If not, what is the difference between the two scenarios?
by Kowani » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:05 pm
Elwher wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:Boycotts are perfectly fine. People choose to do that.
Firing an employee because you don’t like their politics? Sorry.
Now the employee wearing logos....mentioning the business....firing is warranted if the business can show it was hurt by the actions.....
People choose to do the firing as well.
If boycotting a company because you do not like their politics is fine, why is boycotting an employee because you don't like their politics not?
by The Black Forrest » Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:56 pm
Elwher wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:Boycotts are perfectly fine. People choose to do that.
Firing an employee because you don’t like their politics? Sorry.
Now the employee wearing logos....mentioning the business....firing is warranted if the business can show it was hurt by the actions.....
People choose to do the firing as well.
If boycotting a company because you do not like their politics is fine, why is boycotting an employee because you don't like their politics not?
by Elwher » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:17 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Elwher wrote:
People choose to do the firing as well.
If boycotting a company because you do not like their politics is fine, why is boycotting an employee because you don't like their politics not?
People choose to fire others for violation of policy; failing to do the job; hurting the business, etc. They are not boycotted.
Politics is usually not a measurement of work. Just like religion. If I don’t like Christians, I can’t fire them or not hire them because of them being one. Now if they try to evangelize while on the job and ignore warnings? Termination is warranted.
by Elwher » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:19 am
by Risottia » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:23 am
Elwher wrote:If it is right for an individual to refuse to patronize a company because of what they do with the money you give them in exchange for their service,
is it right for a company to refuse to employ an individual because of what they do with the money given them in exchange for their service
Would it be right to fire an employee because he sends money to Al Sharpton, since he is an avowed anti-Semite?
If not, what is the difference between the two scenarios?
by Risottia » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:25 am
Greed and Death wrote:Grinning Dragon wrote:Boycotts are fine. What I don't agree with, when a company fires somebody because of his or her political affiliations or groups they may or may not support in contrast of their corporate employer. What a person does on their own time is their business. Now if said person was doing this on company time, then fine, no issue in firing said person.
So if I am reading this correctly, you believe the neo nazi who lost his job as a hot dog seller shoulnd't have been fired ?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/201 ... 569487001/
by Greed and Death » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:04 am
Risottia wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
So if I am reading this correctly, you believe the neo nazi who lost his job as a hot dog seller shoulnd't have been fired ?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/201 ... 569487001/
Looks like he didn't associate his work and workplace to the expression of his political (shitty) ideas, so yeah, I think he shouldn't have been fired.
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:35 am
Elwher wrote:A question for those who support boycotting companies due to the causes they support, i.e. not buying from Chick-Fil-A because they fund causes that work against anti-discrimination legislation for homosexuals.
If it is right for an individual to refuse to patronize a company because of what they do with the money you give them in exchange for their service, is it right for a company to refuse to employ an individual because of what they do with the money given them in exchange for their service?
Would it be right to fire an employee because he sends money to Al Sharpton, since he is an avowed anti-Semite?
If not, what is the difference between the two scenarios?
by Elwher » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:47 am
Risottia wrote:Elwher wrote:If it is right for an individual to refuse to patronize a company because of what they do with the money you give them in exchange for their service,
Yes because an individual gets to choose where to spend his own money.is it right for a company to refuse to employ an individual because of what they do with the money given them in exchange for their service
No because companies aren't people.Would it be right to fire an employee because he sends money to Al Sharpton, since he is an avowed anti-Semite?
No because an individual gets to choose where to spend his own money.If not, what is the difference between the two scenarios?
The personhood recognised to human individuals isn't the same as the legal personhood of human groups such as companies. And rightly so.
by Elwher » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:48 am
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Elwher wrote:A question for those who support boycotting companies due to the causes they support, i.e. not buying from Chick-Fil-A because they fund causes that work against anti-discrimination legislation for homosexuals.
If it is right for an individual to refuse to patronize a company because of what they do with the money you give them in exchange for their service, is it right for a company to refuse to employ an individual because of what they do with the money given them in exchange for their service?
Would it be right to fire an employee because he sends money to Al Sharpton, since he is an avowed anti-Semite?
If not, what is the difference between the two scenarios?
What's your opinion?
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