Is the United States an empire?

[Gamer Iran]

Oprah Empire

YOU get a colony! YOU get a colony! YOU get a satrapy! EVERYBODY GETS A COLONEEEEEEEEE!

Honestly, this.

[Grahnol]

W-Wait a minute

Are you saying we should turn the US into a one-party country, that we should ban conservatism in the entire US and start a new party system or that we should liquidate the conservative right-wing factions of US politics and restart them anew?

And while we are at it, should we do the same to US libertarianism too? They aren't exactly conservatives but are often politically associated with them.

I find this to be pretty draconian and restrictive to those with certain political ideals. I think anyone should be part of the open debate to find out what is best in their view. Do you think we should also censor conservative voices and politicians as well?

Nah turn the US into an proper faustian American Empire with focus on space exploration, scientific advancement and military-industrial spirit. This can be done with or without leaving the current system intact, but once this imperial spirit gains enough force, inertia and power of its own it will slowly wither away the remnants constitutional state into increasing degrees of irrelevancy for its essence is being the stronger and more powerful one.

Oh wait...

Post-partisan ay? Sounds like a US shedding its skin to become a chad US werewolf.

[New haven america]

My vision begins with dismantling the Republican Party and other Conservative Right-Wing groups and parties in the nation, while also removing tax benefits from corporations and the Top 5%.

W-Wait a minute

Are you saying we should turn the US into a one-party country, that we should ban conservatism in the entire US and start a new party system or that we should liquidate the conservative right-wing factions of US politics and restart them anew?

And while we are at it, should we do the same to US libertarianism too? They aren't exactly conservatives but are often politically associated with them.

I find this to be pretty draconian and restrictive to those with certain political ideals. I think anyone should be part of the open debate to find out what is best in their view. Do you think we should also censor conservative voices and politicians as well?

… Sure, that is exactly what I want.

I want to go so far that even China would blush.

[Nakena]

Nah turn the US into an proper faustian American Empire with focus on space exploration, scientific advancement and military-industrial spirit. This can be done with or without leaving the current system intact, but once this imperial spirit gains enough force, inertia and power of its own it will slowly wither away the remnants constitutional state into increasing degrees of irrelevancy for its essence is being the stronger and more powerful one.

Oh wait...

Post-partisan ay? Sounds like a US shedding its skin to become a chad US werewolf.

Me? I do not care about contemporary partisan politics beyond the point where they are useful and suitable to be channalized towards specific ends. Because I do not genuinely believe in either side. In fact I despise both of them equally and the majority (though not all) of their values and ideals.

[Stormwrath]

Well, yes and no.

While yes, the United States does cover a large portion of territory and includes a diversity of subject peoples, fundamentally they operate more like a nation-state since I don't think there are any ethnic groups within the country that are subservient to the dominant nation within said empire.

Of course you could say those subjugated peoples are the Native Americans, but we don't talk about that.

[Gamer Iran]

Well, yes and no.

While yes, the United States does cover a large portion of territory and includes a diversity of subject peoples, fundamentally they operate more like a nation-state since I don't think there are any ethnic groups within the country that are subservient to the dominant nation within said empire.

Of course you could say those subjugated peoples are the Native Americans, but we don't talk about that.

They deserve to be liberated.

[Stormwrath]

Well, yes and no.

While yes, the United States does cover a large portion of territory and includes a diversity of subject peoples, fundamentally they operate more like a nation-state since I don't think there are any ethnic groups within the country that are subservient to the dominant nation within said empire.

Of course you could say those subjugated peoples are the Native Americans, but we don't talk about that.

They deserve to be liberated.

By what? The great spirits?

[Gamer Iran]

They deserve to be liberated.

By what? The great spirits?

Yes, and by the black standard of jihad, of course.

I jest

[Sundiata]

I see.

In that case, I'm sure we agree on more than we disagree.

My vision begins with dismantling the Republican Party and other Conservative Right-Wing groups and parties in the nation, while also removing tax benefits from corporations and the Top 5%.

I would keep both parties alive, however...

I would change the United States from a Federation into a Unitary State to get things done more quickly and efficiently.

[Pacomia]

My vision begins with dismantling the Republican Party and other Conservative Right-Wing groups and parties in the nation, while also removing tax benefits from corporations and the Top 5%.

I would keep both parties alive, however...

I would change the United States from a Federation into a Unitary State to get things done more quickly and efficiently.

That does not sound like a good idea.

Democracy is important. So is local representation.

[Kowani]

I would keep both parties alive, however...

I would change the United States from a Federation into a Unitary State to get things done more quickly and efficiently.

That does not sound like a good idea.

Democracy is important. So is local representation.

The US version of federation, however, is based on the fears of a bunch of people from the 1700’s who forgot that democracy mandates accountability.

[-Ocelot-]

There is nothing imperial about the US. They haven't annexed other nations by force (like Russia), doesn't want to annex everyone around them (like China) and doesn't dictate what other nations do or don't.

For one, I'd like see a thread about Russian or Chinese imperialism, which are very much real, instead of the endless bashing on the US.

[Pacomia]

There is nothing imperial about the US. They haven't annexed other nations by force (like Russia), doesn't want to annex everyone around them (like China) and doesn't dictate what other nations do or don't.

For one, I'd like see a thread about Russian or Chinese imperialism, which are very much real, instead of the endless bashing on the US.

Yeah, not anymore at least, to the first two.

The third one... ...ehhh...

[Chernoslavia]

Superpower is a better label, if we really want to assign labels.

^

[Nakena]

There is nothing imperial about the US. They haven't annexed other nations by force (like Russia), doesn't want to annex everyone around them (like China) and doesn't dictate what other nations do or don't.

For one, I'd like see a thread about Russian or Chinese imperialism, which are very much real, instead of the endless bashing on the US.

You could open one. I would be participating.

Besides, I am not the one to comdemn imperialism. Because I do not believe it to be something inherently bad by definition.

[-Ocelot-]

There is nothing imperial about the US. They haven't annexed other nations by force (like Russia), doesn't want to annex everyone around them (like China) and doesn't dictate what other nations do or don't.

For one, I'd like see a thread about Russian or Chinese imperialism, which are very much real, instead of the endless bashing on the US.

You could open one. I would be participating.

Besides, I am not the one to comdemn imperialism. Because I do not believe it to be something inherently bad by definition.

Invading and annexing other nations by force is inherently evil and unnecessary. Our world proves that you don't need large empires to be prosperous.

[Relikai]

There is nothing imperial about the US. They haven't annexed other nations by force (like Russia), doesn't want to annex everyone around them (like China) and doesn't dictate what other nations do or don't.

For one, I'd like see a thread about Russian or Chinese imperialism, which are very much real, instead of the endless bashing on the US.

Funniest joke I heard all day.

[Nakena]

You could open one. I would be participating.

Besides, I am not the one to comdemn imperialism. Because I do not believe it to be something inherently bad by definition.

Invading and annexing other nations by force is inherently evil and unnecessary. Our world proves that you don't need large empires to be prosperous.

Its something that has occured throughout history and I wouldn call it neither inherently evil or unnecessary. However that being said I do agree with you that in the modern world you don't need large amounts of terretory to be prosperous. Specifically when you're Russia who has lots of underdeveloped land. (For certain small nations or those with geographical issues the question might look slightly different however)

[Ayytaly]

It's a multi-corporate plutocratic ogilarchy with a worldwide reach. It's imperialistic in its policies, and its goal is to have handegg replace soccer for the title of "football", hence why Japan plays it. But it is not a true empire... Yet.

[-Ocelot-]

There is nothing imperial about the US. They haven't annexed other nations by force (like Russia), doesn't want to annex everyone around them (like China) and doesn't dictate what other nations do or don't.

For one, I'd like see a thread about Russian or Chinese imperialism, which are very much real, instead of the endless bashing on the US.

Funniest joke I heard all day.

Care to elaborate? Do the US have any protectorates I'm not aware of? Do they control governments of neighbors like Canada or Mexico? Where is the imperialism, exactly? Having relations with other nations or belonging in defensive alliances doesn't make you an emperor. Is Germany an empire as well?

[Sundiata]

I would keep both parties alive, however...

I would change the United States from a Federation into a Unitary State to get things done more quickly and efficiently.

That does not sound like a good idea.

Democracy is important. So is local representation.

No, it's a good idea.

France and Norway aren't federations, they're unitary states. They're also democracies.

The U.S should follow suit.

[The JELLEAIN Republic]

Perhaps it would be most effective of everyone could agree on a singular definition of empire. How about buy looking at what we know are empires and seeing what makes them so. Like England.




Edit. Just realized that the conversation is a lot different from the first page

[Nakena]

Funniest joke I heard all day.

Care to elaborate? Do the US have any protectorates I'm not aware of? Do they control governments of neighbors like Canada or Mexico? Where is the imperialism, exactly? Having relations with other nations or belonging in defensive alliances doesn't make you an emperor. Is Germany an empire as well?

West-Germany was an Allied protectorate until the 1950s and lesser extends until 1990, specifically was West-Berlin. Some of the allied powers are still dormant around. Hence Snowden can't come to Germany or else he'd be immediatly approached by US Military Police which would lead to drama.

The same applies to varying degrees to various NATO states with the exception of France, who under President DeGaulle, left the corresponding structures and pursued their own independent policy.

Then, theres of course, various smaller nations and terretories that are or were dependent upon the United States or integrated in it's structures to such a degree that they can be considered be de-facto dominions.

[Sundiata]

Perhaps it would be most effective of everyone could agree on a singular definition of empire. How about buy looking at what we know are empires and seeing what makes them so. Like England.




Edit. Just realized that the conversation is a lot different from the first page

I'm of the belief that the United States is an empire in the sense that it has scientific, cultural, economic, and military dominion over most of the world.

It should also maintain this advantageous position to rectify the world order.

[Sundiata]

There is nothing imperial about the US. They haven't annexed other nations by force (like Russia), doesn't want to annex everyone around them (like China) and doesn't dictate what other nations do or don't.

For one, I'd like see a thread about Russian or Chinese imperialism, which are very much real, instead of the endless bashing on the US.

The U.S expanding its territory and influence is ultimately right and just, not only for its own sake, but for the world's.