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Postby Totenborg » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:00 pm

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Kowani wrote:Nah. Your entire argumentation style has been to ignore evidence, and then when forced to confront it, pretend it doesn’t matter. You’re an ostrich.


I didn't ignore your stupid source, and it really doesn't matter. Words can't chop you to bits henceforth you can't force people to stop saying mean things. Also, you still can't eliminate microagression.

Dude, that's just plain dumb. Words can inspire genocide, justify slavery, and intimidate voters. Also, you can't stop micro-aggressions? Maybe, maybe not, but you have yet to give a valid reason as to why such a feat shouldn't be attempted.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I didn't ignore your stupid source, and it really doesn't matter.
You did, for 3 pages.
Words can't chop you to bits henceforth you can't force people to stop saying mean things.
I would recommend you take a psychology course.
Also, you still can't eliminate microagression.
…One of the damn purposes of this class is to help reduce the amount of microaggressions.


Wrong.

And I recommend you get therapy if the site of a confederate flag emotionally hurts you.

Never said you can't try and reduce them, I'm saying you will never eliminate them from society since there will always be something that people will get offended about. Growing the fuck up and stop being whiny helps too.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Twilight Imperium » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:02 pm

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Twilight Imperium wrote:They could also get a lot of mileage out of teaching the history of the concept and formalization of "zero". You know, the more I think about this the better it sounds. Can we get an adult version too?

Honestly, that’s a good idea.


There's a lot we can learn from how other cultures deal with math! It's an interesting topic that should probably be taught in schools, much better than memorizing times tables. :)

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:04 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:
I didn't ignore your stupid source, and it really doesn't matter. Words can't chop you to bits henceforth you can't force people to stop saying mean things. Also, you still can't eliminate microagression.

Dude, that's just plain dumb. Words can inspire genocide, justify slavery, and intimidate voters. Also, you can't stop micro-aggressions? Maybe, maybe not, but you have yet to give a valid reason as to why such a feat shouldn't be attempted.


I shouldn't have to. The only way one can try to eliminate microagressions is by eliminating freedom of speech and expression and even then there's still going to be something that offends you.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby New haven america » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:05 pm

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Kowani wrote: You did, for 3 pages.
I would recommend you take a psychology course.
…One of the damn purposes of this class is to help reduce the amount of microaggressions.


Wrong.

And I recommend you get therapy if the site of a confederate flag emotionally hurts you.

Never said you can't try and reduce them, I'm saying you will never eliminate them from society since there will always be something that people will get offended about. Growing the fuck up and stop being whiny little cunts helps too.

I don't get offended by the Confederate flag, but anytime I see one I feel the desire to burn it and scream "Down with the traitorous South!"

But that's because I'm American and don't support traitors, especially those who fought to keep America unequal. Or maybe it's because I have ancestors who lost their farms and estates in the South for not supporting the Southern cause who then joined the Union and kicked Confederate ass in almost every southern state.
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Postby Twilight Imperium » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:05 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:I shouldn't have to. The only way one can try to eliminate microagressions is by eliminating freedom of speech and expression and even then there's still going to be something that offends you.


What do you think is the most interesting mathematical technique from another country? I'm not even sure what base-20 would look like!

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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:07 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: You did, for 3 pages.
I would recommend you take a psychology course.
…One of the damn purposes of this class is to help reduce the amount of microaggressions.


Wrong.
I first cited the source on page 6. You didn’t address it until page 9. That’s 3 pages.
And I recommend you get therapy if the site of a confederate flag emotionally hurts you.
Yeah, I repeat my point about having your head in the sand.
Never said you can't try and reduce them, I'm saying you will never eliminate them from society since there will always be something that people will get offended about. Growing the fuck up and stop being whiny helps too.

The objective isn’t elimination. People aren’t fucking robots. The objective is reduction, and greater cultural awareness. (And as cited earlier in a different argument, academic benefits.)
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:09 pm

Twilight Imperium wrote:
Kowani wrote:Honestly, that’s a good idea.


There's a lot we can learn from how other cultures deal with math! It's an interesting topic that should probably be taught in schools, much better than memorizing times tables. :)

I mean, learning the Times Table is useful, but other cultures and their understanding of math is definitely something that needs to be taught.

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Totenborg wrote:Dude, that's just plain dumb. Words can inspire genocide, justify slavery, and intimidate voters. Also, you can't stop micro-aggressions? Maybe, maybe not, but you have yet to give a valid reason as to why such a feat shouldn't be attempted.


I shouldn't have to. The only way one can try to eliminate microagressions is by eliminating freedom of speech and expression and even then there's still going to be something that offends you.

Yeah, desideratum is an extremely common word nowadays.
What do you mean, cultural mores change?
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Postby Totenborg » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:12 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Totenborg wrote:Dude, that's just plain dumb. Words can inspire genocide, justify slavery, and intimidate voters. Also, you can't stop micro-aggressions? Maybe, maybe not, but you have yet to give a valid reason as to why such a feat shouldn't be attempted.


I shouldn't have to. The only way one can try to eliminate microagressions is by eliminating freedom of speech and expression and even then there's still going to be something that offends you.

Interesting. I find that people that talk like you are the same ones that wanna jail folks who burn the flag, and wanna black list athletes who kneel during the National Anthem.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Wrong.
I first cited the source on page 6. You didn’t address it until page 9. That’s 3 pages.
And I recommend you get therapy if the site of a confederate flag emotionally hurts you.
Yeah, I repeat my point about having your head in the sand.
Never said you can't try and reduce them, I'm saying you will never eliminate them from society since there will always be something that people will get offended about. Growing the fuck up and stop being whiny helps too.

The objective isn’t elimination. People aren’t fucking robots. The objective is reduction, and greater cultural awareness. (And as cited earlier in a different argument, academic benefits.)

That's not ignoring it. I fucking read it.

And as do I to yours.

And as I have stated, you 're welcome to try that. I personally don't care. Just as long you don't try to force people to give a shit and stop ''microagressing''.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:14 pm

Totenborg wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I shouldn't have to. The only way one can try to eliminate microagressions is by eliminating freedom of speech and expression and even then there's still going to be something that offends you.

Interesting. I find that people that talk like you are the same ones that wanna jail folks who burn the flag, and wanna black list athletes who kneel during the National Anthem.


Lol, you don't know shit about me buddy boy. :lol2: Funny how you're okay with one form of oppression and okay with another lol.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Totenborg » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:16 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Totenborg wrote:Interesting. I find that people that talk like you are the same ones that wanna jail folks who burn the flag, and wanna black list athletes who kneel during the National Anthem.


Lol, you don't know shit about me buddy boy. :lol2: Funny how you're okay with one form of oppression and okay with another lol.

And you don't know shit about me, friendo. That's how anonymity works. Besides that, what part of your response made sense to you?
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:16 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: I first cited the source on page 6. You didn’t address it until page 9. That’s 3 pages.
Yeah, I repeat my point about having your head in the sand.

The objective isn’t elimination. People aren’t fucking robots. The objective is reduction, and greater cultural awareness. (And as cited earlier in a different argument, academic benefits.)

That's not ignoring it. I fucking read it.
It’s not like I had to cite it again, or like you didn’t respond to it at all. Wait, that’s exactly what happened.
And as do I to yours.

Me: Points out that microaggressions are objectively harmful behavior.
Chernoslavia: “Just grow thicker skin lol”
And as I have stated, you 're welcome to try that. I personally don't care. Just as long you don't try to force people to give a shit and stop ''microagressing''.

If you don’t care, then why in the name of fuck are you arguing?


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Postby New haven america » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:18 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:That's not ignoring it. I fucking read it.
It’s not like I had to cite it again, or like you didn’t respond to it at all. Wait, that’s exactly what happened.
And as do I to yours.

Me: Points out that microaggressions are objectively harmful behavior.
Chernoslavia: “Just grow thicker skin lol”
And as I have stated, you 're welcome to try that. I personally don't care. Just as long you don't try to force people to give a shit and stop ''microagressing''.

If you don’t care, then why in the name of fuck are you arguing?


EDIT: Fixed Quote Tags.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:26 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:That's not ignoring it. I fucking read it.
It’s not like I had to cite it again, or like you didn’t respond to it at all. Wait, that’s exactly what happened.
And as do I to yours.

Me: Points out that microaggressions are objectively harmful behavior.
Chernoslavia: “Just grow thicker skin lol”
And as I have stated, you 're welcome to try that. I personally don't care. Just as long you don't try to force people to give a shit and stop ''microagressing''.

If you don’t care, then why in the name of fuck are you arguing?


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Nobody told you to cite it again.

I don't care about emotional harm though.

To assert the point that microagressions don't matter and people's feelings don't matter and because I felt like it. Kind of like the reason why most people argue about shit on NSG, no good fucking reason.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:32 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: It’s not like I had to cite it again, or like you didn’t respond to it at all. Wait, that’s exactly what happened.

Me: Points out that microaggressions are objectively harmful behavior.
Chernoslavia: “Just grow thicker skin lol”

If you don’t care, then why in the name of fuck are you arguing?


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Nobody told you to cite it again.
Well, considering you refused to engage with the evidence (and let’s be honest, you weren’t going to), it was needed.
I don't care about emotional harm though.
Ignoring your sheer dismissal of the importance of mental health for a moment: “Continued research efforts have investigated the role of race- related stressors on mental health among African Americans. Perceived discrimination has been consistently linked to poor psychological outcomes (Clark, Anderson, Clark, & Williams, 1999) and has been implicated as a major contributor to the mental and physical health disparities evident among racial minorities living in the U.S. (see Williams & Mohammed, 2009 for review).” So not only are you being willfully ignorant, you’re wrong by your own standards.
To assert the point that microagressions don't matter
Well you fucking failed, Sherlock.
and people's feelings don't matter
Why conservatism loses, people.
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Postby Totenborg » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:33 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: It’s not like I had to cite it again, or like you didn’t respond to it at all. Wait, that’s exactly what happened.

Me: Points out that microaggressions are objectively harmful behavior.
Chernoslavia: “Just grow thicker skin lol”

If you don’t care, then why in the name of fuck are you arguing?


EDIT: Fixed Quote Tags.


Nobody told you to cite it again.

I don't care about emotional harm though.

To assert the point that microagressions don't matter and people's feelings don't matter and because I felt like it. Kind of like the reason why most people argue about shit on NSG, no good fucking reason.

I'll admit, it's almost refreshing to see someone just really riding on the pro-douchebag platform.
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:34 pm

Although this part of the curriculum is probably unnecessary, yes, it’s nothing to get bent out of shape over. The curriculum isn’t saying math is racist. I don’t see how it could be interpreted that it is.
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Postby Totenborg » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:35 pm

Pacomia wrote:Although this part of the curriculum is probably unnecessary, yes, it’s nothing to get bent out of shape over. The curriculum isn’t saying math is racist. I don’t see how it could be interpreted that it is.

The OP was a bad faith argument from the start.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:36 pm

Pacomia wrote:Although this part of the curriculum is probably unnecessary, yes, it’s nothing to get bent out of shape over. The curriculum isn’t saying math is racist. I don’t see how it could be interpreted that it is.

It’s responsible for an average 1.2 increase in GPA. That’s a fucking benefit.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:36 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:I don't care about emotional harm though.

Pretty much the only substantive takeaway from the last several pages of you arguing with the rest of the thread.
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Postby Inge land » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:38 pm

reactionaries are so goofy. You see a headline and go "WOW. Leftists are so absurd! Haha! Math is racist? What is next ha ha" and like completely suck all the complexity of the underlying principals out of it. Ridiculous.

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Postby Pacomia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:38 pm

Inge land wrote:reactionaries are so goofy. You see a headline and go "WOW. Leftists are so absurd! Haha! Math is racist? What is next ha ha" and like completely suck all the complexity of the underlying principals out of it. Ridiculous.

Yeah.

I wish I could read the Seattle Times source. I’m not paying money for it, though.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:43 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Nobody told you to cite it again.
Well, considering you refused to engage with the evidence (and let’s be honest, you weren’t going to), it was needed.
I don't care about emotional harm though.
Ignoring your sheer dismissal of the importance of mental health for a moment: “Continued research efforts have investigated the role of race- related stressors on mental health among African Americans. Perceived discrimination has been consistently linked to poor psychological outcomes (Clark, Anderson, Clark, & Williams, 1999) and has been implicated as a major contributor to the mental and physical health disparities evident among racial minorities living in the U.S. (see Williams & Mohammed, 2009 for review).” So not only are you being willfully ignorant, you’re wrong by your own standards.
To assert the point that microagressions don't matter
Well you fucking failed, Sherlock.
and people's feelings don't matter
Why conservatism loses, people.


Nah. Because that doesn't change the fact that people don't have to cater to your emotions.

Nope. They really don't matter, we got bigger problems than asking people to stop microagressing.

Last I checked you lost in 2016.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Pacomia » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:45 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote: Well, considering you refused to engage with the evidence (and let’s be honest, you weren’t going to), it was needed.
Ignoring your sheer dismissal of the importance of mental health for a moment: “Continued research efforts have investigated the role of race- related stressors on mental health among African Americans. Perceived discrimination has been consistently linked to poor psychological outcomes (Clark, Anderson, Clark, & Williams, 1999) and has been implicated as a major contributor to the mental and physical health disparities evident among racial minorities living in the U.S. (see Williams & Mohammed, 2009 for review).” So not only are you being willfully ignorant, you’re wrong by your own standards.
Well you fucking failed, Sherlock.
Why conservatism loses, people.


Nah.

Nope. They really don't matter, we got bigger problems than asking people to stop microagressing.

Last I checked you lost in 2016.

Lost... one election?

To someone who’s not even a traditional conservative?

Where the majority of voters voted for the democratic candidate?
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