Seattle Schools Teaching Math Is Racist

[Chernoslavia]

Who in the flying fuck is talking about child molesters?

Analogies are hard.

They aren't valid arguments.

[Totenborg]

Analogies are hard.

They aren't valid arguments.

Only if you don't understand how arguments work.

[Liriena]

And you think that makes them "isolated" incidents?

Islamic terrorism in Europe has killed at least a couple hundred people since 2015. Are Islamic terrorist attacks "isolated" incidents?

It would depend. If the attack was carried out by ISIS or Al-Qeada, then it wouldn't be isolated. Something like the Orlando gay club shooting, however, is.

Organized violence and structural/systemic violence aren't synonymous. There doesn't necessarily have to be an institution or organization explicitly planning or encouraging a form of violence for it to be systemic or structural.

Such as?

By having certain traits regarding impulse control, aggression, and temperament. If only there were a way to see in who those traits were more likely to be expressed :^)

Give it a shot.

Not really? You are not "objectively measuring" whether racism is real.

Racism is real. It's just not as big of a problem.

"As big" as what? Climate change? Plastic pollution? Nuclear war?

It's basic historical materialism. lrn2philosophy

It's neurotic and insane.

Not really. If anything, the real insanity is two hundred years of a dominant ideology convincing itself and its adherents that it's not an ideology but just the way things naturally, unquestionably are, and then calling the theory which lifted that veil "neurotic and insane".

Just two cases? Over the course of how many years? Sounds like a couple isolated incidents to me. Maybe you should worry more about white-on-white murders.

Why? White-on-white murders, while being the most common type of white murder, are not very common overall. White-on-white crime is a non-issue in America once you adjust for population size.

But they are more common than those two cases you cited so, clearly, you ought to worry more about white-on-white murder than those sorts of cases.

[Chernoslavia]

They aren't valid arguments.

Only if you don't understand how arguments work.

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

[Liriena]

Only if you don't understand how arguments work.

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

Verbal abuse is fine, you guys! Let's go hog wild with that stuff!

[Totenborg]

Only if you don't understand how arguments work.

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

Oh, look at you declaring basic argumentative tools invalid! Who's talking about feelings?. You and I both know that people's feelings getting hurt isn't why systemic racism is a problem. The issue lies on a more substantial level. People's lives have been ruined and ended by it.

[Chernoslavia]

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

Oh, look at you declaring basic argumentative tools invalid! Who's talking about feelings?. You and I both know that people's feelings getting hurt isn't why systemic racism is a problem. The issue lies on a more substantial level. People's lives have been ruined and ended by it.

An argumentative tool that's utter fucking garbage and used by people who aren't capable of forming valid ones. We were talking about microagressions. And my statement was that you can't make people stop saying things that hurt your feelings or do things that offend you. You have no fucking clue what we were talking about.

[Chernoslavia]

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

Verbal abuse is fine, you guys! Let's go hog wild with that stuff!

Get therapy, stay home, or just bury your head in the sand.

[New haven america]

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

Verbal abuse is fine, you guys! Let's go hog wild with that stuff!

Yay!

Mods, get rid of the rules against flaming, mean things are ok to say now, Chern said so.

[The Alma Mater]

I can't name him by name without looking it up but it was an Islamic scholar in the Middle Ages who developed algebra and Isaac Newton who created the basis for modern calculus.

And those are the points people are making in this topic.
1. You do not know the names of non-white mathematicians, despite them having been pretty important for the field - while you can name a white one.
2. When there are multiple contenders to get credit for inventing something, you default to the white man. You probably did not even know that the Arabs and Chinese also had mathematicians who independently invented the same thing before Newton did.

If that actually is the point of the OP however I do not know.

[Kowani]

just bury your head in the sand.

That’s what you’ve been doing this whole time.

[Chernoslavia]

just bury your head in the sand.

That’s what you’ve been doing this whole time.

Now you're just plain wrong.

[Chernoslavia]

Verbal abuse is fine, you guys! Let's go hog wild with that stuff!

Yay!

Mods, get rid of the rules against flaming, mean things are ok to say now, Chern said so.

prove it.

[Twilight Imperium]

Introducing other culture's views on math (like that Aztec base-20 system the article mentioned) is a good way to give the topic a broader appeal, as well as prepare kids for higher math studies. How many people these days know that there's anything other than base-10 out there?

Edit: wait was I supposed to be pissed off about something? Maybe I should read the room after reading the article.

[Kowani]

That’s what you’ve been doing this whole time.

Now you're just plain wrong.

Nah. Your entire argumentation style has been to ignore evidence, and then when forced to confront it, pretend it doesn’t matter. You’re an ostrich.

[New haven america]

I can't name him by name without looking it up but it was an Islamic scholar in the Middle Ages who developed algebra and Isaac Newton who created the basis for modern calculus.

And those are the points people are making in this topic.
1. You do not know the names of non-white mathematicians, despite them having been pretty important for the field - while you can name a white one.
2. When there are multiple contenders to get credit for inventing something, you default to the white man. You probably did not even know that the Arabs and Chinese also had mathematicians who independently invented the same thing before Newton did.

If that actually is the point of the OP however I do not know.

Eh, I was going for a more Eurocentric point (Arabs are still officially considered white in a lot of areas, including America), but yeah, that's pretty spot on.

[New haven america]

Yay!

Mods, get rid of the rules against flaming, mean things are ok to say now, Chern said so.

prove it.

Only if you don't understand how arguments work.

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

[Chernoslavia]

Now you're just plain wrong.

Nah. Your entire argumentation style has been to ignore evidence, and then when forced to confront it, pretend it doesn’t matter. You’re an ostrich.

I didn't ignore your stupid source, and it really doesn't matter. Words can't chop you to bits henceforth you can't force people to stop saying mean things. Also, you still can't eliminate microagression.

[Chernoslavia]

prove it.

No, they aren't valid arguments at all. Nobody's saying we can't catch all predators so therefor let's not do anything about them. I'm saying people don't have to stop hurting your feelings.

That's not me saying it's okay or that people should do it. Try again.

[New haven america]

That's not me saying it's okay or that people should do it. Try again.

Sure it isn't.

[Twilight Imperium]

They could also get a lot of mileage out of teaching the history of the concept and formalization of "zero". You know, the more I think about this the better it sounds. Can we get an adult version too?

[Chernoslavia]

That's not me saying it's okay or that people should do it. Try again.

Sure it isn't.

Good. Thank you for admitting your wrong. True progress.

[Kowani]

Nah. Your entire argumentation style has been to ignore evidence, and then when forced to confront it, pretend it doesn’t matter. You’re an ostrich.

I didn't ignore your stupid source, and it really doesn't matter.

You did, for 3 pages.

Words can't chop you to bits henceforth you can't force people to stop saying mean things.

I would recommend you take a psychology course.

Also, you still can't eliminate microagression.

…One of the damn purposes of this class is to help reduce the amount of microaggressions.

[New haven america]

Sure it isn't.

Good. Thank you for admitting your wrong. True progress.

I never said I was wrong, I was sarcastically quipping at you.

Darn you internet and your lack of tone conveyance!

[Kowani]

They could also get a lot of mileage out of teaching the history of the concept and formalization of "zero". You know, the more I think about this the better it sounds. Can we get an adult version too?

Honestly, that’s a good idea.