Seattle Schools Teaching Math Is Racist

[Bear Stearns]

Given that lynching is often portrayed as some ISIS-tier terrorist campaign on the level of Einsatzgruppen stuff, instead of as the isolated thing that it was, it is relevant.

An "isolated" thing that happened 4,743 times.

Over 86 years...at a rate of 55 per year...which is in a country as big as the US (even back then)...is low as shit.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about.

You were saying?

The numbers prove that lynching certainly wasn't "structural".

Disregarding the fact that this response has nothing to do with my point... how, exactly?

Well you brought it up as part of the conversation on "structural racism". I am pointing out that it wasn't structural at all.

A contemporary number is bigger than a past number? That's how you think systemic/structural problems are measured? By comparison?

A contemporary issue like 2,600 blacks killed by other blacks every year?

"Your numbers are mean and that's why you can't do psuedo-science"

No, but nice try.

That's basically what you did.

[Liriena]

Yeah, your ideology is pretty funny. Like an ever-fresh epic fail compilation.

What's my ideology?

Unfunny.

[Chernoslavia]

Try it. You still won’t eliminate micro aggression. You can’t make people stop saying or doing things that you don’t like. People are better off just ignoring those kind of things. If for example you get stressed out over passing by a house with a confederate battle flag on its pole, it’s you who has a problem and it’s advisable that you seek professional help if it mentally impairs you that much.

Wow. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

Nope. Try again.

[The tanks of herp]

Dude, do you even know your own country???

Yeah, I fucking live here. I know many lower class people who seek professional help for mental illness. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

So why are suicides rising across the US?

Doesn't seem to be what the facts are saying.

[Liriena]

An "isolated" thing that happened 4,743 times.

Over 86 years...at a rate of 55 per year...which is in a country as big as the US (even back then)...is low as shit.

"Low as shit" by whose standard, bro? Yours? Because it looks like you are measuring all of this by your personal, unfounded standards. Who are you exactly, and how made you the authority on what is or isn't a serious, systemic, structural problem?

Disregarding the fact that this response has nothing to do with my point... how, exactly?

Well you brought it up as part of the conversation on "structural racism". I am pointing out that it wasn't structural at all.

How do you measure something as "structural"? I'm dying to hear about your rigorous methodology. Are you planning to get your posts peer reviewed?

A contemporary number is bigger than a past number? That's how you think systemic/structural problems are measured? By comparison?

A contemporary issue like 2,600 blacks killed by other blacks every year?

That doesn't answer my question. How does this methodology of yours work?

No, but nice try.

That's basically what you did.

No.

[Bear Stearns]

I've laid it out plainly

What you've laid out is that you stupidly believe that contemporary murder rates make the lynchings of the "isolated" and not structural/systemic phenomena,

Lynchings were isolated even in their own time! Not structural at all.

and that you think black people have a "problem" that leads to disproportionate murder rates within their own community.

So violent people shouldn't be blamed for being...uh...violent?

What's missing here is exactly how you measured the first conclusion

See the opening post it. It's simple arithmetic and I cite my sources.

and what you think the problem is in the latter. What do you think is wrong? What do you think is causing that disparity? What underlying premise are you dancing around?

What I think is the wrong is way people politicize incidents of interracial crime when the statistics plainly show that the people doing it should be more concerned about intraracial crime. This kind of politicization leads to anti-social behavior and encourages criminality.

[Liriena]

You mean educating people on the subject matter?
Wait, that’s what caused this backlash in the first place.

Try it. You still won’t eliminate micro aggression. You can’t make people stop saying or doing things that you don’t like. People are better off just ignoring those kind of things. If for example you get stressed out over passing by a house with a confederate battle flag on its pole, it’s you who has a problem and it’s advisable that you seek professional help if it mentally impairs you that much.

Today in pure ideology: Chernoslavia tells us to just passively accept shit that hurts people because, well, you can't possibly eliminate all of it so why bother?

[New haven america]

If you’re diagnosed with some emotional disorder which isn’t fucking hard to be diagnosed with in the slightest, professional help is available. Stop pretending that only rich people can afford shit in the US.

Dude, do you even know your own country???

No, they do not.

A lot of stuff gets explained when start looking at it from that type of perspective.

[Bear Stearns]

What's my ideology?

Unfunny.

So, you're just throwing stuff at a wall at this point?

[The tanks of herp]

By comparing murder statistics in general today to one very specific type of hate crime from the past?

Given that lynching is often portrayed as some ISIS-tier terrorist campaign on the level of Einsatzgruppen stuff, instead of as the isolated thing that it was, it is relevant.

You think that's the full extent of the conversation regarding structural/systemic racism?

The numbers prove that lynching certainly wasn't "structural".

No wonder this thread exists. The American right-wing can't sociology right. So sad.

"Your numbers are mean and that's why you can't do psuedo-science"

What does the "Blacks kill blacks" crime rate have to do with Seattle school work sheets?

[Kowani]

Wow. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

Nope. Try again.

When a thing produces uniform reactions in people, who only have a single thing in common, the problem is with the trigger, not the people reacting to it. And, as the study I sent you showed, professional help doesn’t fix the problem.

[Chernoslavia]

Yeah, I fucking live here. I know many lower class people who seek professional help for mental illness. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

So why are suicides rising across the US?

Doesn't seem to be what the facts are saying.

And where did I say anything about suicide decreasing or increasing?

[Bloodshade]

You think this data tells you nothing...

Well, the conclusion that can be drawn is that black people are more dangerous to themselves today than whites were during the most racist time in American history. Which either means that American history wasn't really that bad or that the black community has a lot of problems with criminality.

So, if I'm not mistaken, you believe blacks are causing crime, not because of socioeconomic factors, disproportionate use of police brutality on minorities such as blacks, racial disparities in incarceration, exposure to violence at a young age and so on, but because they're dangerous to themselves? That's too vague of an answer in my opinion. Can you explain it further?

So is it correct for me to infer that you think black people don't care about black on black crime, that they're content with the shootings that go on in their neighborhoods and that they only rally against white police brutality?

Come on, are you honestly entertaining the idea that blacks had it better back in the day? Of course the black community has a problem with crime rate. No one is going to deny that but the reasoning is simply way more than just 'Blacks are dangerous people'. It's rather naive to claim otherwise.

[The tanks of herp]

So why are suicides rising across the US?

Doesn't seem to be what the facts are saying.

And where did I say anything about suicide decreasing or increasing?

Your own experiences are not indicative of the actual facts: US mental healthcare is restricted and the people who can not afford it are suffering.

[Liriena]

What you've laid out is that you stupidly believe that contemporary murder rates make the lynchings of the "isolated" and not structural/systemic phenomena,

Lynchings were isolated even in their own time! Not structural at all.

Says who?

and that you think black people have a "problem" that leads to disproportionate murder rates within their own community.

So violent people shouldn't be blamed for being...uh...violent?

Individual people?

What's missing here is exactly how you measured the first conclusion

See the opening post it. It's simple arithmetic and I cite my sources.

"Simple arithmetic"? Showing us that one arbitrarily selected number is bigger than another arbitrarily selected number is a child's idea of how you assess the severity (or existence) of systemic racism.

"Simple arithmetic" is not a reliable method to produce the conclusion you are trying to present here. So you've got two choices here: either drop the pretentious facade of being some sort of enlightened mathematician objectively measuring whether racism is real, which you clearly aren't, or actually start doing some hard arithmetic work that's deeper and more meaningful than "big number bigger than smaller number".

and what you think the problem is in the latter. What do you think is wrong? What do you think is causing that disparity? What underlying premise are you dancing around?

What I think is the wrong is way people politicize

ohforfuckssakeshutupshutupshutupshutup

Things don't become political the moment they are observed as such. They're already political. Things are never "politicized". They are either acknowledged as being political matters all along or we decide to play dumb about it because we're neck-deep in pure ideology.

incidents of interracial crime when the statistics plainly show that the people doing it should be more concerned about intraracial crime.

For someone who is so smug about using "simple arithmetics", you sure aren't using logic properly here.

This kind of politicization leads to anti-social behavior and encourages criminality.

[citation needed]

[Bear Stearns]

Over 86 years...at a rate of 55 per year...which is in a country as big as the US (even back then)...is low as shit.

"Low as shit" by whose standard, bro? Yours?

55 lynchings per year over 86 years. That number drops to 41 per year if only looking at blacks. Let's assume that all of these lynchings happened at the beginning of the period when the black population was the lowest (7.5 million in ~1890). This gives us a per capita lynching rate of 0.53 in that year, which would be the bloodiest year on record as far as lynching of blacks go (of course the actual number is lower because those lynchings were spread out over a time period when the black population increased by like 5.5x).

Now, by what standard is incident with an occurrence rate that low considered structural? Does one exist? Also, given that most people doing the lynching were impoverished Southernerns (i.e. the people least likely to have structural power after blacks in the 1890s USA), it really begins to cast doubt on your assumptions.

Because it looks like you are measuring all of this by your personal, unfounded standards.

So what is your gripe? I compared the frequency of two things, when popular conception about those frequencies is distorted. I showed the correct ones. You can clearly see one is more common than the other.

Who are you exactly,

I'm me.

and how made you the authority on what is or isn't a serious, systemic, structural problem?

Authority?

Well you brought it up as part of the conversation on "structural racism". I am pointing out that it wasn't structural at all.

How do you measure something as "structural"?

By whether or not is more common than things that aren't structural and by whether or not "structures" are actually contributing to it.

I'm dying to hear about your rigorous methodology. Are you planning to get your posts peer reviewed?

Appeals to authority are...strange.

A contemporary issue like 2,600 blacks killed by other blacks every year?

That doesn't answer my question. How does this methodology of yours work?

I compared the frequency of two events, on a per capita basis.

[Chernoslavia]

Nope. Try again.

When a thing produces uniform reactions in people, who only have a single thing in common, the problem is with the trigger, not the people reacting to it. And, as the study I sent you showed, professional help doesn’t fix the problem.

I’ve said it a hundred times already and I’ll say it a hundred times more. You will not eliminate microagressions no matter what you do and you cannot tell others to stop saying or doing things that hurt your feelings.

[Liriena]

Nope. Try again.

When a thing produces uniform reactions in people, who only have a single thing in common, the problem is with the trigger, not the people reacting to it. And, as the study I sent you showed, professional help doesn’t fix the problem.

Look, friend, the real problem with child molestation isn't child molesters. After all, realistically speaking, you can't catch them all. So just send the survivors to therapy.

[Chernoslavia]

Dude, do you even know your own country???

No, they do not.

A lot of stuff gets explained when start looking at it from that type of perspective.

WHAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED?

[Chernoslavia]

When a thing produces uniform reactions in people, who only have a single thing in common, the problem is with the trigger, not the people reacting to it. And, as the study I sent you showed, professional help doesn’t fix the problem.

Look, friend, the real problem with child molestation isn't child molesters. After all, realistically speaking, you can't catch them all. So just send the survivors to therapy.

Not a valid argument.

[Kowani]

When a thing produces uniform reactions in people, who only have a single thing in common, the problem is with the trigger, not the people reacting to it. And, as the study I sent you showed, professional help doesn’t fix the problem.

I’ve said it a hundred times already and I’ll say it a hundred times more. You will not eliminate microagressions no matter what you do and you cannot tell others to stop saying or doing things that hurt your feelings.

Well, now you’re just plain wrong.

[Chernoslavia]

I’ve said it a hundred times already and I’ll say it a hundred times more. You will not eliminate microagressions no matter what you do and you cannot tell others to stop saying or doing things that hurt your feelings.

Well, now you’re just plain wrong.

No u.

[New haven america]

Look, friend, the real problem with child molestation isn't child molesters. After all, realistically speaking, you can't catch them all. So just send the survivors to therapy.

Not a valid argument.

It's a perfectly valid argument.

[Chernoslavia]

Not a valid argument.

It's a perfectly valid argument.

Explain.

[New haven america]

It's a perfectly valid argument.

Explain.

Well we're never gonna get rid of all child molesters, so what's the point of trying to catch them?

Best we just let them be and send their victims to therapy.