Seattle Schools Teaching Math Is Racist

[Bear Stearns]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Okay, and your point is? You can throw around statistics as much as you like but it's meaningless on its own. What is your conclusion from this data?

You think this data tells you nothing...

Well, the conclusion that can be drawn is that black people are more dangerous to themselves today than whites were during the most racist time in American history. Which either means that American history wasn't really that bad or that the black community has a lot of problems with criminality.

[Chernoslavia]

Considering how anybody can be offended by anything, I'd say calling microaggressions participations in prejudice either misleading or meaningless.
And we shouldn't teach students to waste their time and energy on eliminating practically harmless thoughts; instead, we should teach them to endure insulting statements and grow up.
"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you." (With the exception of libel, of course, but that's besides the point.)
Also, we should tolerate diversity of ideas, even if they are in our opinion "intolerant". There's a very high chance that not tolerating individuals with seemingly intolerant ideas will lead to those individuals seeing you as intolerant.


Not necesssarily. While there is tension between religion and secularism, a balance of both is generally achievable. But I digress.


1. Not necessarily. A great GPA on a subject not very useful in life is not as useful as a good GPA on a subject that is very useful in life. And class time spent on learning the Arabic number system is time not spent learning partial derivatives.
2. The problem is the fact that some individuals discriminate based on race/ethnicity. The way to solve that is for everyone to close their eyes to skin color and focus only on the characteristics that truly matter.
3. So you didn't read it thoroughly, either.
From the source: "In this study, we estimate the causal effects of an ethnic studies curriculum piloted in several San Francisco high schools. We rely on a "fuzzy" regression discontinuity design based on the fact that several schools assigned students with eighth-grade GPAs below a threshold to take the course in ninth grade." So I got the word fuzzy...

I have a better version: "Sticks and Stones may break your bones, but words leave psychological and emotional scars that will never heal."

Then seek therapy.

[Bear Stearns]

So...you're saying that about just as many whites killed each other as blacks did even though there are about 5 times as many whites as there are blacks...?

Most crime is intraracial, true, but not all races commit crime the same rate. In fact, it's really not even close.

No, I'm saying that you're a blatant racist who is literally part of the problem. See, I'll let you in a little secret. Lean in real close: statistics are meaningless without context.

lmao guys I'm "part of the problem" now didn't you hear

The guy looking at unaltered statistics is the problem...not the 2,600 black people committing homicide against their own people. Right.

[Bear Stearns]

Okay, and your point is? You can throw around statistics as much as you like but it's meaningless on its own. What is your conclusion from this data?

I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that he's not going to present a conclusion because he's not actually trying to make an argument. He's just being inflammatory and is going to play dumb about it.

What's inflammatory?

[Chernoslavia]

Okay, and your point is? You can throw around statistics as much as you like but it's meaningless on its own. What is your conclusion from this data?

You think this data tells you nothing...

Well, the conclusion that can be drawn is that black people are more dangerous to themselves today than whites were during the most racist time in American history. Which either means that American history wasn't really that bad or that the black community has a lot of problems with criminality.

Nah but you see it’s all whitey’s fault, somehow.

[Bear Stearns]

I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that he's not going to present a conclusion because he's not actually trying to make an argument. He's just being inflammatory and is going to play dumb about it.

That seems to be the standard white supremacist tactic nowadays.

"white supremacist"

lol

[Bear Stearns]

You think this data tells you nothing...

Well, the conclusion that can be drawn is that black people are more dangerous to themselves today than whites were during the most racist time in American history. Which either means that American history wasn't really that bad or that the black community has a lot of problems with criminality.

Nah but you see it’s all whitey’s fault, somehow.

It always is my friend. We whites are always up to no good

[Liriena]

I have a better version: "Sticks and Stones may break your bones, but words leave psychological and emotional scars that will never heal."

Then seek therapy.

lmao look at this rich fella, thinking people can afford therapy

Okay, and your point is? You can throw around statistics as much as you like but it's meaningless on its own. What is your conclusion from this data?

You think this data tells you nothing...

Well, the conclusion that can be drawn is that black people are more dangerous to themselves today than whites were during the most racist time in American history. Which either means that American history wasn't really that bad or that the black community has a lot of problems with criminality.

Tap-dancing your way around what you actually mean, as expected.

Or maybe this is as deep as your thinking on this matter goes which... yeah, that'd be pretty sad.

[Liriena]

That seems to be the standard white supremacist tactic nowadays.

"white supremacist"

lol

Yeah, your ideology is pretty funny. Like an ever-fresh epic fail compilation.

[The tanks of herp]

I really don't see this as much of anything other then an exaggeration.

[Bear Stearns]

No...just that it's prevalence is vastly overstated

By comparing murder statistics in general today to one very specific type of hate crime from the past?

Given that lynching is often portrayed as some ISIS-tier terrorist campaign on the level of Einsatzgruppen stuff, instead of as the isolated thing that it was, it is relevant.

You think that's the full extent of the conversation regarding structural/systemic racism?

The numbers prove that lynching certainly wasn't "structural".

No wonder this thread exists. The American right-wing can't sociology right. So sad.

"Your numbers are mean and that's why you can't do psuedo-science"

[The tanks of herp]

Then seek therapy.

lmao look at this rich fella, thinking people can afford therapy

We live in a society

(funnily enough, just got back from seeing joker)

[Liriena]

I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that he's not going to present a conclusion because he's not actually trying to make an argument. He's just being inflammatory and is going to play dumb about it.

What's inflammatory?

We're not playing that game. If you won't speak plainly, then I won't do it for you.

[Chernoslavia]

I like how you're poo-pooing my solution but don't offer any of yours.

You mean educating people on the subject matter?
Wait, that’s what caused this backlash in the first place.

Try it. You still won’t eliminate micro aggression. You can’t make people stop saying or doing things that you don’t like. People are better off just ignoring those kind of things. If for example you get stressed out over passing by a house with a confederate battle flag on its pole, it’s you who has a problem and it’s advisable that you seek professional help if it mentally impairs you that much.

[Bear Stearns]

You think this data tells you nothing...

Well, the conclusion that can be drawn is that black people are more dangerous to themselves today than whites were during the most racist time in American history. Which either means that American history wasn't really that bad or that the black community has a lot of problems with criminality.

Tap-dancing your way around what you actually mean, as expected.

Where's the falsehood?

Or maybe this is as deep as your thinking on this matter goes which... yeah, that'd be pretty sad.

Okay, tell me, what structural problems are causing blacks to kill 2,600 of their own people every year, at rate that's a hell of a lot higher than at the rate at which white people kill each other?

[Bear Stearns]

What's inflammatory?

We're not playing that game. If you won't speak plainly, then I won't do it for you.

I've laid it out plainly and you just keeping saying shit like "muh racist". You won't do it because you have nothing to say.

[Bear Stearns]

"white supremacist"

lol

Yeah, your ideology is pretty funny. Like an ever-fresh epic fail compilation.

What's my ideology?

[Chernoslavia]

Then seek therapy.

lmao look at this rich fella, thinking people can afford therapy

You think this data tells you nothing...

Well, the conclusion that can be drawn is that black people are more dangerous to themselves today than whites were during the most racist time in American history. Which either means that American history wasn't really that bad or that the black community has a lot of problems with criminality.

Tap-dancing your way around what you actually mean, as expected.

Or maybe this is as deep as your thinking on this matter goes which... yeah, that'd be pretty sad.

If you’re diagnosed with some emotional disorder which isn’t fucking hard to be diagnosed with in the slightest, professional help is available. Stop pretending that only rich people can afford shit in the US.

[Liriena]

By comparing murder statistics in general today to one very specific type of hate crime from the past?

Given that lynching is often portrayed as some ISIS-tier terrorist campaign on the level of Einsatzgruppen stuff, instead of as the isolated thing that it was, it is relevant.

An "isolated" thing that happened 4,743 times.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about.

You think that's the full extent of the conversation regarding structural/systemic racism?

The numbers prove that lynching certainly wasn't "structural".

Disregarding the fact that this response has nothing to do with my point... how, exactly? A contemporary number is bigger than a past number? That's how you think systemic/structural problems are measured? By comparison?

No wonder this thread exists. The American right-wing can't sociology right. So sad.

"Your numbers are mean and that's why you can't do psuedo-science"

No, but nice try.

[The tanks of herp]

You mean educating people on the subject matter?
Wait, that’s what caused this backlash in the first place.

Try it. You still won’t eliminate micro aggression. You can’t make people stop saying or doing things that you don’t like. People are better off just ignoring those kind of things. If for example you get stressed out over passing by a house with a confederate battle flag on its pole, it’s you who has a problem and it’s advisable that you seek professional help if it mentally impairs you that much.

The only good confederate flag is a white flag.

[Liriena]

lmao look at this rich fella, thinking people can afford therapy


Tap-dancing your way around what you actually mean, as expected.

Or maybe this is as deep as your thinking on this matter goes which... yeah, that'd be pretty sad.

If you’re diagnosed with some emotional disorder which isn’t fucking hard to be diagnosed with in the slightest, professional help is available. Stop pretending that only rich people can afford shit in the US.

Dude, do you even know your own country???

[Liriena]

Try it. You still won’t eliminate micro aggression. You can’t make people stop saying or doing things that you don’t like. People are better off just ignoring those kind of things. If for example you get stressed out over passing by a house with a confederate battle flag on its pole, it’s you who has a problem and it’s advisable that you seek professional help if it mentally impairs you that much.

The only good confederate flag is a white flag.

SHERMAN DID NOTHING WRONG
DO IT AGAIN UNCLE BILLY

[Kowani]

You mean educating people on the subject matter?
Wait, that’s what caused this backlash in the first place.

Try it. You still won’t eliminate micro aggression. You can’t make people stop saying or doing things that you don’t like. People are better off just ignoring those kind of things. If for example you get stressed out over passing by a house with a confederate battle flag on its pole, it’s you who has a problem and it’s advisable that you seek professional help if it mentally impairs you that much.

Wow. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

[Chernoslavia]

If you’re diagnosed with some emotional disorder which isn’t fucking hard to be diagnosed with in the slightest, professional help is available. Stop pretending that only rich people can afford shit in the US.

Dude, do you even know your own country???

Yeah, I fucking live here. I know many lower class people who seek professional help for mental illness. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

[Liriena]

We're not playing that game. If you won't speak plainly, then I won't do it for you.

I've laid it out plainly

What you've laid out is that you stupidly believe that contemporary murder rates make the lynchings of the "isolated" and not structural/systemic phenomena, and that you think black people have a "problem" that leads to disproportionate murder rates within their own community.

What's missing here is exactly how you measured the first conclusion and what you think the problem is in the latter. What do you think is wrong? What do you think is causing that disparity? What underlying premise are you dancing around?