Seattle Schools Teaching Math Is Racist

[La Paz de Los Ricos]

My god, that city sure went downhill ever since Frasier left.

[Valrifell]

How does this pertain to the topic at hand?

I'm sorry, "How does this pertain to the topic at hand?" didn't invent Algebra or Calculus.

It was a good guess, though.

[Vetalia]

How does this pertain to the topic at hand?

I'm sorry, "How does this pertain to the topic at hand?" didn't invent Algebra or Calculus.

Quit playing games and get back to the topic. Algebra and calculus are both mathematical systems dating back to the Bronze Age that were refined and developed further by Islamic mathematicians in the Middle Ages, one of whom gave his name to algebra by writing Al-Gebra. What is ethnic mathematics role in education except when applied to all students?

[New haven america]

I'm sorry, "How does this pertain to the topic at hand?" didn't invent Algebra or Calculus.

Quit playing games and get back to the topic. Algebra and calculus are both mathematical systems dating back to the Bronze Age. What is ethnic mathematics role in education except when applied to all students?

I'm sorry, that still did not answer my question, and it's also rude to answer a question with a question.

[Vetalia]

Quit playing games and get back to the topic. Algebra and calculus are both mathematical systems dating back to the Bronze Age. What is ethnic mathematics role in education except when applied to all students?

I'm sorry, that still did not answer my question, and it's also rude to answer a question with a question.

What is your question?

[New haven america]

I'm sorry, that still did not answer my question, and it's also rude to answer a question with a question.

What is your question?

This. You know one the reasons math has become one of my favorite subjects? It’s meant to be very OBJECTIVE.

You get a number, you get another number, and you use those numbers to figure out what you need.

Don’t get me wrong, some of the questions they’re posing about how numbers can be manipulated to meet certain ends are fascinating concepts, but they’re better off in a social studies kind of environment.

Without looking it up, could you share with us who invented Calculus and who invented Algebra?

[Bloodshade]

It's crazy that we have a conversation bemoaning the sad fact that people are taking the OP's silly OP as fact when there are sources that discredit him in said OP if they'd bother to read and a conversation of people who haven't looked into this beyond the title talking about how silly it is. But, you know, unironically.

Is this real fucking life?

The only thing the OP wanted to achieve was outrage and I guess he got it.

It's a shame though because after reading The Seattle Time's take on this, the professors aren't somehow trying to demonize white people but are more interested in teaching students how math/statistics can and has been used as a tool to discriminate. One example is that people use statistics to fabricate moronic genetic assumptions about races and somehow, they convince others that their genetic assumptions are truthful, even though it's a lazy assumption that ignores many important factors.

Personally, my only problem with this curriculum is that I feel like these subjects belong in social studies or history, rather than in a math class.

I really don't get your comment, if this course is designed solely for non-whites it's incredibly patronizing.

Well, it's not. Just go down a few paragraphs or read the entire article while you're at it.

[Vetalia]

What is your question?

Without looking it up, could you share with us who invented Calculus and who invented Algebra?

I can't name him by name without looking it up but it was an Islamic scholar in the Middle Ages who developed algebra and Isaac Newton who created the basis for modern calculus.

[Vetalia]

Well, it's not. Just go down a few paragraphs or read the entire article while you're at it.

That was entirely my point, if everyone is learning these concepts there is nothing wrong with it.

[Totenborg]

I can't name him by name without looking it up but it was an Islamic scholar in the Middle Ages who developed algebra and Isaac Newton who created the basis for modern calculus.

K. Now, read the links.

[Bear Stearns]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

[Totenborg]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

And, in 2016, 2, 854 white people were killed by white people! Thanks for showing exactly why the proposed course is a great idea. You provided an almost textbook example of how math can be misused for racist ends.

[Bear Stearns]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

And, in 2016, 2,854 white people were killed by white people! Thanks for showing exactly why the proposed course is a great idea. You provided an almost textbook example of how math can be misused for racist ends.

So...you're saying that about just as many whites killed each other as blacks did even though there are about 5 times as many whites as there are blacks...?

Most crime is intraracial, true, but not all races commit crime the same rate. In fact, it's really not even close.

What is racist about this anyways?

[Cekoviu]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

what are increased availability of weapons and population growth???

[Valrifell]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Is your point that this disproves all forms of racism?

[Liriena]

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks.

Ah yes, the good old "wut abaut blak un blak crimz" talking point. Good to see conservative memery when it comes to black people is still stuck in 2012.

[Bloodshade]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Okay, and your point is? You can throw around statistics as much as you like but it's meaningless on its own. What is your conclusion from this data?

What is racist about this anyways?

Well, I currently see nothing racist about what you said because you haven't said anything. You've just linked a bunch of data.

Generally, I find that most who talk about 'black on black' crime tend to use that issue to justify the use of police brutality on black people, claiming that it's simply a part of who they are and that helping them is counter-productive, while ignoring the issues that are the root of 'black on black' crime, such as poverty, exposure to violence at a young age, unemployment, family disruption and so on.

Be straight from the start and make it clear what your point is so people don't put words in your mouth.

[Totenborg]

And, in 2016, 2,854 white people were killed by white people! Thanks for showing exactly why the proposed course is a great idea. You provided an almost textbook example of how math can be misused for racist ends.

So...you're saying that about just as many whites killed each other as blacks did even though there are about 5 times as many whites as there are blacks...?

Most crime is intraracial, true, but not all races commit crime the same rate. In fact, it's really not even close.

No, I'm saying that you're a blatant racist who is literally part of the problem. See, I'll let you in a little secret. Lean in real close: statistics are meaningless without context.

[Liriena]

What is racist about this anyways?

Nothing so far, but I'm dying to see you play a game of "I'm not touching you" with racism as you dance around the implication like a kid who just discovered how to curse with plausible deniability.

[Liriena]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Okay, and your point is? You can throw around statistics as much as you like but it's meaningless on its own. What is your conclusion from this data?

I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that he's not going to present a conclusion because he's not actually trying to make an argument. He's just being inflammatory and is going to play dumb about it.

[Totenborg]

Okay, and your point is? You can throw around statistics as much as you like but it's meaningless on its own. What is your conclusion from this data?

I'm gonna make a bold prediction and say that he's not going to present a conclusion because he's not actually trying to make an argument. He's just being inflammatory and is going to play dumb about it.

That seems to be the standard white supremacist tactic nowadays.

[Bear Stearns]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

what are increased availability of weapons and population growth???

America in the late 19th century didn't have easy access to pistols, rifles, shotguns, knives, bats, and hammers? If anything, gun laws were more lax.

As for population growth, well, let's look at that. We'll have to adjust this for a single year rather than looking at an 86-year time span. Turns out the University of Kansas City-Missouri Law school keeps lynching statistics by year, and according them, 1897 was the worst year with 123 lynchings. The black population then was about 8,800,000. That's a rate for the year of a 1.4 per capita.

Now let's compare to the amount of blacks killed by other blacks in 2018 (2,600). The black population then was 40,000,000. That's a per capita rate of 6.5. Hey, imagine that!

[Bear Stearns]

Speaking of racist numbers! Between 1882 and 1968, 4,743 people were lynched in the United States. 3,446 were black (73%), and 1,297 were white (27%). 4,743 over 86 years, or about 55 per year. When you look at blacks specifically, that drops to 41 per year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks. This number holds in 2017 and in 2018. This means that over that three year period, about 7,800 blacks were killed by other blacks (actual number is 7,797). More African-Americans have murdered each other in the past three years than were ever lynched over an 86-year period when white-on-black crime was the most socially tolerated it ever was in the US. That's insane, isn't it?!

2016: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
2017: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
2018: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Is your point that this disproves all forms of racism?

No...just that it's prevalence is vastly overstated and that people milking it for political purposes are usually full of shit. Most community's problems are their own.

[Bear Stearns]

What's astounding is that in 2016, about 2,600 blacks were killed by other blacks.

Ah yes, the good old "wut abaut blak un blak crimz" talking point. Good to see conservative memery when it comes to black people is still stuck in 2012.

Well if black on black crime is a bigger problem for them then lynching ever was...then maybe it's saying them about priorities?

[Liriena]

Is your point that this disproves all forms of racism?

No...just that it's prevalence is vastly overstated

By comparing murder statistics in general today to one very specific type of hate crime from the past? You think that's the full extent of the conversation regarding structural/systemic racism?

No wonder this thread exists. The American right-wing can't sociology right. So sad.