Seattle Schools Teaching Math Is Racist

[Aureumterra]

Math, the one science which regards nothing but absolute truth, is now racist…

[American Pere Housh]

Math, the one science which regards nothing but absolute truth, is now racist…

I know right. This truly baffle the mind. I want to know how math is racist.

[Geneviev]

Math, the one science which regards nothing but absolute truth, is now racist…

Lucky, that's not what they're teaching.

[Empire of Ur]

The only time I could see Math being rascist is if the Math Teacher is being rascist.

[Liriena]

"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you."

Yeaaaaaah, I'm actually a strong advocate for taking a huge, radioactive shit on that common saying because it's actually wrong.

[Liriena]

Math, the one science which regards nothing but absolute truth, is now racist…

I know right. This truly baffle the mind. I want to know how math is racist.

You two do realize that there's a couple sources which you can read if you're actually curious... right?

[New haven america]

Very easily. Unconscious biases, microaggressions, etc. are pretty common. Though I'm not quite sure why you thought that question to be relevant here.

Considering how anybody can be offended by anything, I'd say calling microaggressions participations in prejudice either misleading or meaningless.
And we shouldn't teach students to waste their time and energy on eliminating practically harmless thoughts; instead, we should teach them to endure insulting statements and grow up.
"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you." (With the exception of libel, of course, but that's besides the point.)
Also, we should tolerate diversity of ideas, even if they are in our opinion "intolerant". There's a very high chance that not tolerating individuals with seemingly intolerant ideas will lead to those individuals seeing you as intolerant.

The clear issue here is that being pro-reason often puts you on the opposing side of religion.

Not necesssarily. While there is tension between religion and secularism, a balance of both is generally achievable. But I digress.

I mean, that wasn’t the point of the what the study was looking for, but probably? It did increase GPA by an average of 1.2, which, while sounding small, is actually really good. So, yes.

Ignoring ethnicity doesn’t make discrimination go away. It just closes one’s eyes to the problem.
Read the study I gave you, don’t ask me to do your work for you.

1. Not necessarily. A great GPA on a subject not very useful in life is not as useful as a good GPA on a subject that is very useful in life. And class time spent on learning the Arabic number system is time not spent learning partial derivatives.
2. The problem is the fact that some individuals discriminate based on race/ethnicity. The way to solve that is for everyone to close their eyes to skin color and focus only on the characteristics that truly matter.
3. So you didn't read it thoroughly, either.
From the source: "In this study, we estimate the causal effects of an ethnic studies curriculum piloted in several San Francisco high schools. We rely on a "fuzzy" regression discontinuity design based on the fact that several schools assigned students with eighth-grade GPAs below a threshold to take the course in ninth grade." So I got the word fuzzy...

I have a better version: "Sticks and Stones may break your bones, but words leave psychological and emotional scars that will never heal."

[Liriena]

Okay, seriously, the fact that people keep coming into this thread and taking OP's clickbaity lies at face value is a serious indictment of this platform and its community. I'm embarrassed by this entire thing.

I'd say Kustonia ought to face consequences for blatantly spreading fake news, but at this point they're not really the problem anymore.

[Seythennia]

The only time I could see Math being rascist is if the Math Teacher is being rascist.

Giving way too much emphasis on 3/5 during lessons on fractions?

"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you."

Yeaaaaaah, I'm actually a strong advocate for taking a huge, radioactive shit on that common saying because it's actually wrong.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones... but words will hurt forever."

[New haven america]

Okay, seriously, the fact that people keep coming into this thread and taking OP's clickbaity lies at face value is a serious indictment of this platform and its community. I'm embarrassed by this entire thing.

I'd say Kustonia ought to face consequences for blatantly spreading fake news, but at this point they're not really the problem anymore.

It's called propaganda Liri, please stop using his terminology.

[Liriena]

Considering how anybody can be offended by anything, I'd say calling microaggressions participations in prejudice either misleading or meaningless.
And we shouldn't teach students to waste their time and energy on eliminating practically harmless thoughts; instead, we should teach them to endure insulting statements and grow up.
"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you." (With the exception of libel, of course, but that's besides the point.)
Also, we should tolerate diversity of ideas, even if they are in our opinion "intolerant". There's a very high chance that not tolerating individuals with seemingly intolerant ideas will lead to those individuals seeing you as intolerant.


Not necesssarily. While there is tension between religion and secularism, a balance of both is generally achievable. But I digress.


1. Not necessarily. A great GPA on a subject not very useful in life is not as useful as a good GPA on a subject that is very useful in life. And class time spent on learning the Arabic number system is time not spent learning partial derivatives.
2. The problem is the fact that some individuals discriminate based on race/ethnicity. The way to solve that is for everyone to close their eyes to skin color and focus only on the characteristics that truly matter.
3. So you didn't read it thoroughly, either.
From the source: "In this study, we estimate the causal effects of an ethnic studies curriculum piloted in several San Francisco high schools. We rely on a "fuzzy" regression discontinuity design based on the fact that several schools assigned students with eighth-grade GPAs below a threshold to take the course in ninth grade." So I got the word fuzzy...

I have a better version: "Sticks and Stones may break your bones, but words leave psychological and emotional scars that will never heal."

I kind of wonder how ignorant and incurious one would have to be to continue to accept and perpetuate that catchphrase as some sort of self-evident truth on this day and age, when we now have plenty of evidence that verbal abuse is a thing and can have serious consequences. What sort of bubble are these people living in?

[United Cyran Systems]

MATH IS RACIST

What. But seriously, don't we have more important things to argue about instead of how numbers are oppressing minorities?

[New haven america]

I have a better version: "Sticks and Stones may break your bones, but words leave psychological and emotional scars that will never heal."

I kind of wonder how ignorant and incurious one would have to be to continue to accept and perpetuate that catchphrase as some sort of self-evident truth on this day and age, when we now have plenty of evidence that verbal abuse is a thing and can have serious consequences.

Probably the people and bullies who've found that they're able to get away with their abusive behavior because they're not being physically violent.

[Empire of Ur]

MATH IS RACIST

What. But seriously, don't we have more important things to argue about instead of how numbers are oppressing minorities?

I aggree but most of the politics on the Internet seem to be about dumb things like this.

[Valrifell]

It's crazy that we have a conversation bemoaning the sad fact that people are taking the OP's silly OP as fact when there are sources that discredit him in said OP if they'd bother to read and a conversation of people who haven't looked into this beyond the title talking about how silly it is. But, you know, unironically.

Is this real fucking life?

[Valrifell]

Math, the one science which regards nothing but absolute truth, is now racist…

Absolute truth is a myth

[New haven america]

It's crazy that we have a conversation bemoaning the sad fact that people are taking the OP's silly OP as fact when there are sources that discredit him in said OP if they'd bother to read and a conversation of people who haven't looked into this beyond the title talking about how silly it is. But, you know, unironically.

Is this real fucking life?

Feelings>Facts.

Never forget that.

[Kowani]

1. Not necessarily. A great GPA on a subject not very useful in life is not as useful as a good GPA on a subject that is very useful in life.

That’s not how GPA works. That’s not how it works at all, actually.

And class time spent on learning the Arabic number system is time not spent learning partial derivatives.

Literally everybody uses Arabic numerals. Not teaching them that is setting them up to fail.

2. The problem is the fact that some individuals discriminate based on race/ethnicity. The way to solve that is for everyone to close their eyes to skin color and focus only on the characteristics that truly matter.

Well, no. Ignoring the fact that not everyone would do that for a moment, you’d still have an underclass that couldn’t get ahead. “If a man was to enter a race, 300 years behind another runner, it would take a miracle for the second man to catch up.”

3. So you didn't read it thoroughly, either.
From the source: "In this study, we estimate the causal effects of an ethnic studies curriculum piloted in several San Francisco high schools. We rely on a "fuzzy" regression discontinuity design based on the fact that several schools assigned students with eighth-grade GPAs below a threshold to take the course in ninth grade." So I got the word fuzzy...

You might want to try relearning statistics.

[Vetalia]

If this is a universal curriculum applicable to all students I have no problem, otherwise it's hilariously racist.

[Valrifell]

If this is a universal curriculum applicable to all students I have no problem, otherwise it's hilariously racist.

Do you see evidence that it's only applicable to white students? No? Cool, cool, cool.

[Vetalia]

If this is a universal curriculum applicable to all students I have no problem, otherwise it's hilariously racist.

Do you see evidence that it's only applicable to white students? No? Cool, cool, cool.

I really don't get your comment, if this course is designed solely for non-whites it's incredibly patronizing.

[Hadin]

To be fair, stuff like this is completely stupid and makes me so angry. They're indoctrinating children and convincing them that everything is racist. Math is not racist. It's numbers.

This. You know one the reasons math has become one of my favorite subjects? It’s meant to be very OBJECTIVE.

You get a number, you get another number, and you use those numbers to figure out what you need.

Don’t get me wrong, some of the questions they’re posing about how numbers can be manipulated to meet certain ends are fascinating concepts, but they’re better off in a social studies kind of environment.

[New haven america]

To be fair, stuff like this is completely stupid and makes me so angry. They're indoctrinating children and convincing them that everything is racist. Math is not racist. It's numbers.

This. You know one the reasons math has become one of my favorite subjects? It’s meant to be very OBJECTIVE.

You get a number, you get another number, and you use those numbers to figure out what you need.

Don’t get me wrong, some of the questions they’re posing about how numbers can be manipulated to meet certain ends are fascinating concepts, but they’re better off in a social studies kind of environment.

Without looking it up, could you share with us who invented Calculus and who invented Algebra?

[Vetalia]

This. You know one the reasons math has become one of my favorite subjects? It’s meant to be very OBJECTIVE.

You get a number, you get another number, and you use those numbers to figure out what you need.

Don’t get me wrong, some of the questions they’re posing about how numbers can be manipulated to meet certain ends are fascinating concepts, but they’re better off in a social studies kind of environment.

Without looking it up, could you share with us who invented Calculus and who invented Algebra?

How does this pertain to the topic at hand?

[New haven america]

Without looking it up, could you share with us who invented Calculus and who invented Algebra?

How does this pertain to the topic at hand?

I'm sorry, "How does this pertain to the topic at hand?" didn't invent Algebra or Calculus.