Seattle Schools Teaching Math Is Racist

[Totenborg]

they're not. apparently it's okay for thread o.p.s to blatantly, shamelessly lie about the content of their links

You obviously didn't read the articles and the PDF. The schools claim that math is racist throughout.

You obviously are arguing in bad faith.

[Totenborg]

Yes.
However, your question does suggest you did not know an Indian devised the number zero, nor that you know his name or other things he contributed students still learn every day.
While you probably do know the names of several less important white mathematicians.

Which might be why the people have a point with their racism claim.

You would't know that the Vedic people invented the number zero. They are decedents of the ancient Aryans, who were white.

Hey, it's literal nazi propaganda!

[Salandriagado]

Yes.
However, your question does suggest you did not know an Indian devised the number zero, nor that you know his name or other things he contributed students still learn every day.
While you probably do know the names of several less important white mathematicians.

Which might be why the people have a point with their racism claim.

You would't know that the Vedic people invented the number zero. They are decedents of the ancient Aryans, who were white.

Various versions of the number zero were invented in China, Khmer, Banarastra, Pakistan, Bihar, Babylon, and Mesoamerica. None of these inventers were of the "Vedic people", largely because no such people exist ("Vedic" refers to "coming from the Vedas", that is, originating from a group of books). Neither any of the above creators, nor the authors of the Vedas, were known to be descended from the Aryans, and certainly none of them (nor the Aryans) were white by most definitions of the term.

To be blunt: stop spouting bollocks about things you don't know anything about.

[Salandriagado]

And there you make the racist assumption

Are you familiar with the Pythagorean Theorem, or the Pareto principle? I'm not making a racist assumption, its the truth.

Pythagoras certainly did not invent or prove the theorem that bears his name, first or otherwise. In particular, it was known in Old Babylon, over a millennium before he was born. It was also known and proven in India around the 8th century BCE (there is some debate as to whether this was developed independently or influenced by progress made by the Mesopotamians on the same question). It was also known early on in China, possibly earlier than anywhere else.

Pareto also did not come up with the principle that bears his name: that was done by Juran, who named it after Pareto, who had made some similar observations about land ownership in Italy.

[Joohan]

How much does my dog weigh?

About 30 to life

What?

About 80 lbs

[Mettaton-EX]

they're not. apparently it's okay for thread o.p.s to blatantly, shamelessly lie about the content of their links

You obviously didn't read the articles and the PDF. The schools claim that math is racist throughout.

direct quote:

Nowhere in this document says that math is inherently racist

[Liriena]

Schools in Seattle are now teaching that math is racist.

what

they're not. apparently it's okay for thread o.p.s to blatantly, shamelessly lie about the content of their links

I'm not saying Kustonia should be barred from posting in General... but I am saying it might be in everyone's best interest to put them on ignore for the foreseable future.

[Liriena]

I feel as though the topics they want to discuss would work brtter in it's own distinct class rather than integrated with the core math curricula.

I mean, the questions they want to explore are interesting (going off the first article) but would probably distract too much from the numbers too much to sufficiently explore with enough tact.

How will the kids survive with out their modern day religious instruction on original sin? Whatever would they do?

Holy shit TEM you're back!

[Liriena]

they're not. apparently it's okay for thread o.p.s to blatantly, shamelessly lie about the content of their links

You obviously didn't read the articles and the PDF. The schools claim that math is racist throughout.

If you're not lying (again), I'm sure you'll be able to produce exact quotes. Your opening post lacked those.

[Liriena]

Yes.
However, your question does suggest you did not know an Indian devised the number zero, nor that you know his name or other things he contributed students still learn every day.
While you probably do know the names of several less important white mathematicians.

Which might be why the people have a point with their racism claim.

You would't know that the Vedic people invented the number zero. They are decedents of the ancient Aryans, who were white.

Nazi pseudo-anthropological propaganda?

Thanks I hate it!

[Liriena]

You obviously didn't read the articles and the PDF. The schools claim that math is racist throughout.

direct quote:

Nowhere in this document says that math is inherently racist

White nationalism: the movement for people who clearly can read but choose to pretend that they can't.

[Valrifell]

If India invented the zero, does that mean they have a claim to 50% of all data?

Yes.
However, your question does suggest you did not know an Indian devised the number zero, nor that you know his name or other things he contributed students still learn every day.
While you probably do know the names of several less important white mathematicians.

Which might be why the people have a point with their racism claim.

For instance, most students are taught that Newton and Leibiz "invented" calculus, but my mans Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi who first treated algebra as it's own subject (and got it named after his book) is a complete unknown for most people.

[Liriena]

they're not. apparently it's okay for thread o.p.s to blatantly, shamelessly lie about the content of their links

You obviously didn't read the articles and the PDF. The schools claim that math is racist throughout.

And you're obviously lying... again.

Here, I think this should be your thread's theme song.

[Tekania]

If they have regular math class alongside this then it might help but if this class will be the only math class we are sending our children to be doomed to failure

Math scores already ain't doing so hot in the US, it's not a catastrophe but it's not really something you wanna sit on, y'know? Something needs to be done, but it doesn't need to be done right away and all at once, so there's leeway for experimentation at the district level.

And part of the reason on the decline of math scores in the US is the fact that math classes have been repeatedly co opted to teach other subjects. The simple fact there is a finite amount of time for lessons and Math is getting the shaft overall in favor of other stuff. This isn't really new. This has been in issue that has be on-going for decades. And this added to it won't make it any better. But it's not like the particular ethnic element is the cause of it. Overall the US is just really bad at educating its populace, and that is why our populous is just getting dumber and dumber.

I've been watching this first hand, for nearly a decade I've been leading up hiring for moderately sized company (more than 4000 employees). And finding applicants for especially entry level positions has been getting more and more difficult as the people coming out of the education system are just not being prepared for adulthood any longer thanks to the trends we've been on for the last 20+ years. They are bad at math, they have issues paying attention, they have issues following basic instructions, issues reading, they want to argue and bicker about any minor policy or inconvenience and they expect to he be hand held through the process because absolutely no one before they reached their 20's has set any realistic adult expectations, life skills or responsibilities for them and now they have become my problem as a hiring manager.

The saddest thing is the unfortunate element that the people behind this trend honestly believe what they are doing for the kids is good.

[Kustonia]

You obviously didn't read the articles and the PDF. The schools claim that math is racist throughout.

If you're not lying (again), I'm sure you'll be able to produce exact quotes. Your opening post lacked those.

"Power and oppression, as defined by ethnic studies, are the ways in which individuals and groups define mathematical knowledge so as to see "Western" mathematics as the only legitimate expression of mathematical identity and intelligence. This definition of legitimacy is then used to disenfranchise people and communities of color."

Essentially, mathematical expressions are racist. That is basically what is being said.

[Kustonia]

You would't know that the Vedic people invented the number zero. They are decedents of the ancient Aryans, who were white.

Various versions of the number zero were invented in China, Khmer, Banarastra, Pakistan, Bihar, Babylon, and Mesoamerica. None of these inventers were of the "Vedic people", largely because no such people exist ("Vedic" refers to "coming from the Vedas", that is, originating from a group of books). Neither any of the above creators, nor the authors of the Vedas, were known to be descended from the Aryans, and certainly none of them (nor the Aryans) were white by most definitions of the term.

To be blunt: stop spouting bollocks about things you don't know anything about.

Wikipedia is not a source, this is unacceptable. Many cultures at the time had different methods of mathematically defining nothing, but the Aryans certainly invented their own concept of zero, because they were nomads who were guided by the stars. The number zero has also been found in ancient Aryan Sanskrit texts of the Vedic civilization. This is how we know Aryans had their own concept of zero.

[Cetacea]

Yes.
However, your question does suggest you did not know an Indian devised the number zero, nor that you know his name or other things he contributed students still learn every day.
While you probably do know the names of several less important white mathematicians.

Which might be why the people have a point with their racism claim.

You would't know that the Vedic people invented the number zero. They are decedents of the ancient Aryans, who were white.

Aryans aren’t white

[Kustonia]

You would't know that the Vedic people invented the number zero. They are decedents of the ancient Aryans, who were white.

Aryans aren’t white

Yes, Aryans were known for having paler skin. Ancient manuscripts shed light on the appearance of the ancient Aryans. They were tall and they had white skin. The Dravidians thought they were ghosts or demons.

[Liriena]

If you're not lying (again), I'm sure you'll be able to produce exact quotes. Your opening post lacked those.

"Power and oppression, as defined by ethnic studies, are the ways in which individuals and groups define mathematical knowledge so as to see "Western" mathematics as the only legitimate expression of mathematical identity and intelligence. This definition of legitimacy is then used to disenfranchise people and communities of color."

Essentially, mathematical expressions are racist. That is basically what is being said.

"Essentially" and "basically" are doing a lot of leg work there, bud.

[Liriena]

Aryans aren’t white

Yes, Aryans were known for having paler skin. Ancient manuscripts shed light on the appearance of the ancient Aryans. They were tall and they had white skin. The Dravidians thought they were ghosts or demons.

Please stop fetishizing my skin tone.

[Northern Saxonia]

https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/new-course-outlines-prompt-conversations-about-identity-race-in-seattle-classrooms-even-in-math/
https://mynorthwest.com/1537267/dori-ma ... framework/
https://www.k12.wa.us/sites/default/fil ... Lp_mZ1mXb0

Schools in Seattle are now teaching that math is racist. A new framework has been laid out for the curriculum "Math Ethnic Studies." I just have two very important questions to ask: Is math racist? Are the answers to math problems connected to white supremacy?

???

[Strahcoin]

How the fuck does one unintentionally participate in prejudice?

Very easily. Unconscious biases, microaggressions, etc. are pretty common. Though I'm not quite sure why you thought that question to be relevant here.

Considering how anybody can be offended by anything, I'd say calling microaggressions participations in prejudice either misleading or meaningless.
And we shouldn't teach students to waste their time and energy on eliminating practically harmless thoughts; instead, we should teach them to endure insulting statements and grow up.
"Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you." (With the exception of libel, of course, but that's besides the point.)
Also, we should tolerate diversity of ideas, even if they are in our opinion "intolerant". There's a very high chance that not tolerating individuals with seemingly intolerant ideas will lead to those individuals seeing you as intolerant.

Not necessarily anti-religion. Just pro-reason, which I generally think schools should adopt.

The clear issue here is that being pro-reason often puts you on the opposing side of religion.

Not necesssarily. While there is tension between religion and secularism, a balance of both is generally achievable. But I digress.

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1. Did it increase the students' chances of getting productive jobs? Schools are supposed to make citizens more productive.

I mean, that wasn’t the point of the what the study was looking for, but probably? It did increase GPA by an average of 1.2, which, while sounding small, is actually really good. So, yes.

2. Did it teach children to ignore unalterable characteristics such as race/ethnicity and judge solely on merit? A moral, united society tends to do better than an immoral, divided one.

Ignoring ethnicity doesn’t make discrimination go away. It just closes one’s eyes to the problem.

3. Were other factors considered? What was the sample size? Statistics can be easily manipulated.

Read the study I gave you, don’t ask me to do your work for you.

1. Not necessarily. A great GPA on a subject not very useful in life is not as useful as a good GPA on a subject that is very useful in life. And class time spent on learning the Arabic number system is time not spent learning partial derivatives.
2. The problem is the fact that some individuals discriminate based on race/ethnicity. The way to solve that is for everyone to close their eyes to skin color and focus only on the characteristics that truly matter.
3. So you didn't read it thoroughly, either.
From the source: "In this study, we estimate the causal effects of an ethnic studies curriculum piloted in several San Francisco high schools. We rely on a "fuzzy" regression discontinuity design based on the fact that several schools assigned students with eighth-grade GPAs below a threshold to take the course in ninth grade." So I got the word fuzzy...

[Seythennia]

How long until the M-word pass economy begins to take hold in schools?

[Salandriagado]

Various versions of the number zero were invented in China, Khmer, Banarastra, Pakistan, Bihar, Babylon, and Mesoamerica. None of these inventers were of the "Vedic people", largely because no such people exist ("Vedic" refers to "coming from the Vedas", that is, originating from a group of books). Neither any of the above creators, nor the authors of the Vedas, were known to be descended from the Aryans, and certainly none of them (nor the Aryans) were white by most definitions of the term.

To be blunt: stop spouting bollocks about things you don't know anything about.

Wikipedia is not a source, this is unacceptable.

Don't be fucking ridiculous.

Many cultures at the time had different methods of mathematically defining nothing, but the Aryans certainly invented their own concept of zero, because they were nomads who were guided by the stars. The number zero has also been found in ancient Aryan Sanskrit texts of the Vedic civilization. This is how we know Aryans had their own concept of zero.

Once again, all of this is lies.

[American Pere Housh]

Seattle schools just got dumber