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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:26 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful
Me: Brings up actual psychological evidence of harm
Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful

Argumentation, 100.


I said SOME aren't harmful. Thinking black people in general like certain kinds of food isn't really harmful to anyone.

You should really find a different example that isn’t rooted in historical racism.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:26 pm

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Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.

Examples on the first


Unconscious biases will save your life if you're walking around Baltimore late at night.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:28 pm

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Your source was behind a paywall btw.

Same Source, different site.

Got it. I'll view it when I can get to a computer.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:28 pm

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What sort of bias?

Whenever I hear an English accent my hands say "devuelvan las Malvinas" in sign language. It's very annoying.


Well, unless that has a chance of making you pick up an FM FAP and ''take back'' the islands, nobody has much to worry about.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:29 pm

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I said SOME aren't harmful. Thinking black people in general like certain kinds of food isn't really harmful to anyone.

You should really find a different example that isn’t rooted in historical racism.


Why?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kubra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:29 pm

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Same thing, who cares? It's stupid but it's not oppressive or harmful. Every culture or society has unconscious biases.


I am white with some African admixture and I like fried chicken with nice mild seasoning.
That's because you can't hate fried chicken
even bad fried chicken is good, you can't fuck this up. it's a universal food, and exists for all to enjoy.
That's pretty much the problem with ascribing it to any one group.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:30 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:You should really find a different example that isn’t rooted in historical racism.


Why?

Because you’re undermining your own argument?
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Postby Spearos » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:31 pm

If this story is really true, it goes to show that humanity is now regressing and deserves more than ever to be nuked or enslaved by aliens.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:31 pm

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Why?

Because you’re undermining your own argument?


No I'm not, you just don't like the example I gave you. How is it harmful to people if someone thinks blacks like fried chicken?
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Postby Kubra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:32 pm

Spearos wrote:If this story is really true, it goes to show that humanity is now regressing and deserves more than ever to be nuked or enslaved by aliens.
Why would this be why we gotta get nuked by aliens
why not when Germany was going through a big ol' murder fest in the 1600's
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Postby Iridencia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:32 pm

What the topic actually said: "Non-white people have a tendency to face discrimination when pursuing careers in math."

What everyone thinks the topic said: "SAY TWO PLUS TWO EQUALS FIVE OR YOU'RE LITERALLY HITLER!!!!!"

That's not being "politically" incorrect, it's just plain old regular incorrect.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:32 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm sure some do, but most don't. Asking someone their place of birth is an example of one that doesn't matter.


But if it's anything more serious or physical then would it still be considered micro?

Some aren't micro. It's a very ill defined term, and some really bad things get shoved under the label along with the small things.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:33 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful
Me: Brings up actual psychological evidence of harm
Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful

Argumentation, 100.


I said SOME aren't harmful. Thinking black people in general like certain kinds of food isn't really harmful to anyone.

That's called a stereotype and yes it is.

Even positive stereotypes aren't good, as it paints a broad brush over individuals.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
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I said SOME aren't harmful. Thinking black people in general like certain kinds of food isn't really harmful to anyone.

That's called a stereotype and yes it is.

Even positive stereotypes aren't good, as it paints a broad brush over individuals.


Never said they were good, I'm asking how is it harmful to anyone?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kubra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Because you’re undermining your own argument?


No I'm not, you just don't like the example I gave you. How is it harmful to people if someone thinks blacks like fried chicken?
erroneously, being associated with fried chicken is being associated with a lack of manners, of being crass. It's a hand food, you see. Pretty much why it got its cameo in birth of a nation.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Spearos wrote:If this story is really true, it goes to show that humanity is now regressing and deserves more than ever to be nuked or enslaved by aliens.

Well, good news then: it's not.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Kubra wrote:
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I am white with some African admixture and I like fried chicken with nice mild seasoning.
That's because you can't hate fried chicken
even bad fried chicken is good, you can't fuck this up. it's a universal food, and exists for all to enjoy.
That's pretty much the problem with ascribing it to any one group.

American KFC would like to have a word with you...

And eh... I'm not a big fan. Boneless or friend nuggets, sure, but fried chicken in general is kinda meh.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:34 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
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But if it's anything more serious or physical then would it still be considered micro?

Some aren't micro. It's a very ill defined term, and some really bad things get shoved under the label along with the small things.


I guess that's the problem.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:35 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Because you’re undermining your own argument?


No I'm not, you just don't like the example I gave you. How is it harmful to people if someone thinks blacks like fried chicken?

I can’t imagine how perpetuating part of a stereotype with an extremely racist history might still carry part of that cultural baggage.
Wait, no. It does.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I said SOME aren't harmful. Thinking black people in general like certain kinds of food isn't really harmful to anyone.

That's called a stereotype and yes it is.

Even positive stereotypes aren't good, as it paints a broad brush over individuals.


Much like the stereotype of whitey havin' that privilege.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:35 pm

Spearos wrote:If this story is really true, it goes to show that humanity is now regressing and deserves more than ever to be nuked or enslaved by aliens.

On the plus side, math isn't being declared racist, though partisan politics are now being injected into it.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:35 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Because you’re undermining your own argument?


No I'm not, you just don't like the example I gave you. How is it harmful to people if someone thinks blacks like fried chicken?


Probably not.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kubra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kubra wrote: That's because you can't hate fried chicken
even bad fried chicken is good, you can't fuck this up. it's a universal food, and exists for all to enjoy.
That's pretty much the problem with ascribing it to any one group.

American KFC would like to have a word with you...

And eh... I'm not a big fan. Boneless or friend nuggets, sure, but fried chicken in general is kinda meh.
American KFC is edible without retching. The gravy, well, us of the anglo-saxon persuasion do love our blandness.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:36 pm

Yeah, the alarmism coming out of various right-wing rags is as humorous as can be expected. Even so, I don't really see the value in including this in the math curriculum. It looks like it could easily take up a whole week of instruction alone, at which point the math teachers are scrambling to get to the math part of the class. Wouldn't this fit better within history and social science requirements, at least in K-8 settings?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:36 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
No I'm not, you just don't like the example I gave you. How is it harmful to people if someone thinks blacks like fried chicken?

I can’t imagine how perpetuating part of a stereotype with an extremely racist history might still carry part of that cultural baggage.
Wait, no. It does.


So no, it isn't harmful to anyone it just hurts people's feelings.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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