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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:03 pm

Liriena wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Some unconscious biases aren't harmful.

Indeed. I have an unconscious bias against the English and that's actually very good.


What sort of bias?
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:04 pm

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Sovaal wrote:The individual is the smallest minority possible.

That's a deep quote. What's the point?

What's the point of asking someone's ethnic/religious/sexual/etc background in regards to microagressions?
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:04 pm

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Liriena wrote:Indeed. I have an unconscious bias against the English and that's actually very good.


What sort of bias?

Whenever I hear an English accent my hands say "devuelvan las Malvinas" in sign language. It's very annoying.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:06 pm

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Cekoviu wrote:No, that would be insane. Minorities experience them way more frequently.

Examples on the first, you're incorrect on the second.

That's a deep quote. What's the point?


How is it harmful or ''prejudice'' for someone to think that black people like fried chicken? Nope, it's called growing thicker skin.

You should’ve picked an example that wasn’t historically associated with racist caricatures.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:09 pm

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I guess it does. I'm just saying micro aggressions don't matter.

I'm sure some do, but most don't. Asking someone their place of birth is an example of one that doesn't matter.


But if it's anything more serious or physical then would it still be considered micro?
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Postby Pretty Much God » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:11 pm

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Cekoviu wrote:No, that would be insane. Minorities experience them way more frequently.

Examples on the first, you're incorrect on the second.

That's a deep quote. What's the point?


How is it harmful or ''prejudice'' for someone to think that black people like fried chicken? Nope, it's called growing thicker skin.

What about whites thinking water is spicy? Them CAUCASIANS can't HANDLE spicy foods, right?
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:11 pm

Kustonia wrote:https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/new-course-outlines-prompt-conversations-about-identity-race-in-seattle-classrooms-even-in-math/


This article does not say the same thing as your thread title.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:12 pm

Pretty Much God wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
How is it harmful or ''prejudice'' for someone to think that black people like fried chicken? Nope, it's called growing thicker skin.

What about whites thinking water is spicy? Them CAUCASIANS can't HANDLE spicy foods, right?

Yes, microaggresions can be against white people. Nobody is arguing otherwise.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:12 pm

Kowani wrote:
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How is it harmful or ''prejudice'' for someone to think that black people like fried chicken? Nope, it's called growing thicker skin.

You should’ve picked an example that wasn’t historically associated with racist caricatures.

Also, friendly reminder that the whole reason why they're called "microaggressions" is precisely because, individually, their harm is, y'know, "micro". The problem is that, when they're widespread, their effect becomes cumulative, both for the person that receives those microaggressions and for the wider society that naturalizes them.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:13 pm

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Kustonia wrote:https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/new-course-outlines-prompt-conversations-about-identity-race-in-seattle-classrooms-even-in-math/


This article does not say the same thing as your thread title.

Yeah, we've already established that the OP lied... which hasn't stopped a lot of posters from regurgitating the OP's lie.
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Postby Pretty Much God » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:13 pm

Kowani wrote:
Pretty Much God wrote:What about whites thinking water is spicy? Them CAUCASIANS can't HANDLE spicy foods, right?

Yes, microaggresions can be against white people. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

I wasn't arguing anything along those lines buddy
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:17 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kowani wrote:You should’ve picked an example that wasn’t historically associated with racist caricatures.

Also, friendly reminder that the whole reason why they're called "microaggressions" is precisely because, individually, their harm is, y'know, "micro". The problem is that, when they're widespread, their effect becomes cumulative, both for the person that receives those microaggressions and for the wider society that naturalizes them.

Also, that.

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Kowani wrote:Yes, microaggresions can be against white people. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

I wasn't arguing anything along those lines buddy

Then why bring it up?
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:17 pm

Pretty Much God wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
How is it harmful or ''prejudice'' for someone to think that black people like fried chicken? Nope, it's called growing thicker skin.

What about whites thinking water is spicy? Them CAUCASIANS can't HANDLE spicy foods, right?


Same thing, who cares? It's stupid but it's not oppressive or harmful. Every culture or society has unconscious biases.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:19 pm

Liriena wrote:
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What sort of bias?

Whenever I hear an English accent my hands say "devuelvan las Malvinas" in sign language. It's very annoying.

I didn't expect Liri to be one to follow Kirchner's lead...
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:19 pm

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm sure some do, but most don't. Asking someone their place of birth is an example of one that doesn't matter.

That's... kind of the whole point behind calling them "micro"? That they don't have a huge effect individually, but rather cumulatively?

A well-meaning acquaintance making a mildly annoying comment won't ruin your life... but combine that with hundreds, if not thousands of similar comments ever year, and it starts to take its toll, even subconsciously.

Micro as in they don't matter. I see people shrug them off all of the time. Leftist intellectuals and sociologists just love to use them to see racism where there is none. With the Grievance studies affair, I question how unbiased much of the research is.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:19 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Pretty Much God wrote:What about whites thinking water is spicy? Them CAUCASIANS can't HANDLE spicy foods, right?


Same thing, who cares? It's stupid but it's not oppressive or harmful. Every culture or society has unconscious biases.

Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful
Me: Brings up actual psychological evidence of harm
Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful

Argumentation, 100.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:20 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Very easily. Unconscious biases, microaggressions, etc. are pretty common. Though I'm not quite sure why you thought that question to be relevant here.


Some unconscious biases aren't harmful. And microaggressions don't matter.


Yeah. When I a see a group of five "Canadian" teenagers approaching me on the subway at night my unconscious biases tell me I'm gonna be just fine
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Postby Risottia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:20 pm

"exploring math's roots "in the ancient histories of people and empires of color." "

Yeah, I totally see how the Great Zimbabwe developed the Zermelo-Fraenkel, and Al-Kwarizmi and Euclid were totally, like, non-white. That's the point of maths, talking about what race (which doesn't exist, but hey, this is Murica we don't need no steenkin biology) did this and who did that, and not how to use maths.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:21 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Pretty Much God wrote:What about whites thinking water is spicy? Them CAUCASIANS can't HANDLE spicy foods, right?


Same thing, who cares? It's stupid but it's not oppressive or harmful. Every culture or society has unconscious biases.


I am white with some African admixture and I like fried chicken with nice mild seasoning.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Same thing, who cares? It's stupid but it's not oppressive or harmful. Every culture or society has unconscious biases.

Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful
Me: Brings up actual psychological evidence of harm
Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Same thing, who cares? It's stupid but it's not oppressive or harmful. Every culture or society has unconscious biases.

Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful
Me: Brings up actual psychological evidence of harm
Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful

Argumentation, 100.

Your source was behind a paywall btw.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:21 pm

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Liriena wrote:Whenever I hear an English accent my hands say "devuelvan las Malvinas" in sign language. It's very annoying.

I didn't expect Liri to be one to follow Kirchner's lead...

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:22 pm

Kowani wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Same thing, who cares? It's stupid but it's not oppressive or harmful. Every culture or society has unconscious biases.

Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful
Me: Brings up actual psychological evidence of harm
Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful

Argumentation, 100.


I said SOME aren't harmful. Thinking black people in general like certain kinds of food isn't really harmful to anyone.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Liriena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:24 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Liriena wrote:That's... kind of the whole point behind calling them "micro"? That they don't have a huge effect individually, but rather cumulatively?

A well-meaning acquaintance making a mildly annoying comment won't ruin your life... but combine that with hundreds, if not thousands of similar comments ever year, and it starts to take its toll, even subconsciously.

Micro as in they don't matter. I see people shrug them off all of the time.

Congrats on having positive anecdotes about microaggressions.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Leftist intellectuals and sociologists just love to use them to see racism where there is none.

Ah, yes, the good old "if I don't see this problem in my daily life then leftist intellectuals and sociologists made it up because they have a racism fetish".

Now that's what I call a bulletproof excuse for being obstinately incurious.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:24 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kowani wrote:Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful
Me: Brings up actual psychological evidence of harm
Chernoslavia: It’s not harmful

Argumentation, 100.

Your source was behind a paywall btw.

Same Source, different site.
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