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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:27 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Is this really such a bad take, even if it were true?

Are you saying that being pro-crime is a good take?

As long as it lets you keep guns and own the libs of course.
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Postby Duhon » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:32 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:


Therefore, based on both Media & Democrat Crazed and Irrational Hostility,

The fucking irony.


democracies do tend to be hostile to grifting authoritarian con men, yes

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Postby Everhall » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:32 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Everhall wrote:Aye I'd agree with that. "OH HUNTER BIDEN's Corrupt!"

It just... boggles the mind the hypocrisy of some of these people.

Hypocrisy works both ways on the Republicans and Democrats Part.

Oh I'm aware, it's just Republicans do it more flagrantly

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Postby Gormwood » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:34 pm

Everhall wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:Hypocrisy works both ways on the Republicans and Democrats Part.

Oh I'm aware, it's just Republicans do it more flagrantly

Not to mention act much more indignant and sanctimonious when a Democrat is caught doing something similar.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:35 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Is this really such a bad take, even if it were true?

Are you saying that being pro-crime is a good take?


Depends on the crime. I don't believe that the violation of a law is inherently bad.
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Postby Everhall » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Are you saying that being pro-crime is a good take?


Depends on the crime. I don't believe that the violation of a law is inherently bad.

I can see where that could be the case. Blacks going against Southern Jim Crow laws which were morally wrong.

However, in this case I don't believe allowing politicians to enrich themselves through corruption should be allowed, Democrat or Republican.

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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:03 pm

Everhall wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Depends on the crime. I don't believe that the violation of a law is inherently bad.

I can see where that could be the case. Blacks going against Southern Jim Crow laws which were morally wrong.

However, in this case I don't believe allowing politicians to enrich themselves through corruption should be allowed, Democrat or Republican.


In a perfect world, there would be no racists, and no Jim Crow, but we don't live in that world, so sit ins and marches on Washington were called for.

In a perfect world, there would be no Democrats, and no shitty oppressive policies, but we don't live in that world, so electing a cheating, foul mouthed embezzler is called for.
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-Government Overreach
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:19 pm

I envision an America solely composed of the states New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa, and as well as the New England states, the Canadian Maritimes, and Ontario, Canada.

This state is dominated by various patrician Protestant families ruling over vast financial and industrial empires in places like Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago. The upper classes are of dour, flinty Yankee Anglo-Dutch stock, who lord over an enterprising middle class dominated by Germans, Scandinavians, and Scots. The slums of the great industrial cities are filled with Irish and Slavic paupers.

The culture is thrifty, dour, distant, and competitive. Americans are known as a dark, psychopathic people with a knack for business and industrialization. Essentially, the US is only composed of the Northern states and the Gilded Age just never ends.

Maybe this should belong in the steampunk forum.
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Postby Everhall » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:20 pm

Telconi wrote:
Everhall wrote:I can see where that could be the case. Blacks going against Southern Jim Crow laws which were morally wrong.

However, in this case I don't believe allowing politicians to enrich themselves through corruption should be allowed, Democrat or Republican.


In a perfect world, there would be no racists, and no Jim Crow, but we don't live in that world, so sit ins and marches on Washington were called for.

In a perfect world, there would be no Democrats, and no shitty oppressive policies, but we don't live in that world, so electing a cheating, foul mouthed embezzler is called for.

There's no such thing as a perfect world; it begs the question: Perfect world for whom?

Regardless, even if electing Trump in your point of view was called for, it doesn't mean that everything he does against the fundamentals of the country is excusable. You can support him, yes, but you should demand something from him, something more than the ephemeral policies which last four or eight years, but something much more important: integrity.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:21 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:I envision an America solely composed of the states New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa, and as well as the New England states, the Canadian Maritimes, and Ontario, Canada.

This state is dominated by various patrician Protestant families ruling over vast financial and industrial empires in places like Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago. The upper classes are of dour, flinty Yankee Anglo-Dutch stock, who lord over an enterprising middle class dominated by Germans, Scandinavians, and Scots. The slums of the great industrial cities are filled with Irish and Slavic paupers.

The culture is thrifty, dour, distant, and competitive. Americans are known as a dark, psychopathic people with a knack for business and industrialization. Essentially, the US is only composed of the Northern states and the Gilded Age just never ends.

Maybe this should belong in the steampunk forum.

This is literally a shitty dystopian fanfic that doesn't belong in here.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:24 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:I envision an America solely composed of the states New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa, and as well as the New England states, the Canadian Maritimes, and Ontario, Canada.

This state is dominated by various patrician Protestant families ruling over vast financial and industrial empires in places like Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Toronto, Cleveland, Detroit, and Chicago. The upper classes are of dour, flinty Yankee Anglo-Dutch stock, who lord over an enterprising middle class dominated by Germans, Scandinavians, and Scots. The slums of the great industrial cities are filled with Irish and Slavic paupers.

The culture is thrifty, dour, distant, and competitive. Americans are known as a dark, psychopathic people with a knack for business and industrialization. Essentially, the US is only composed of the Northern states and the Gilded Age just never ends.

Maybe this should belong in the steampunk forum.

This is literally a shitty dystopian fanfic that doesn't belong in here.


It'd be a great place to live. We should have let the South go in 1861. What did we gain by keeping them around? Our industrialization would have been far greater!
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:24 pm

Telconi wrote:
Everhall wrote:I can see where that could be the case. Blacks going against Southern Jim Crow laws which were morally wrong.

However, in this case I don't believe allowing politicians to enrich themselves through corruption should be allowed, Democrat or Republican.


In a perfect world, there would be no racists, and no Jim Crow, but we don't live in that world, so sit ins and marches on Washington were called for.

In a perfect world, there would be no Democrats, and no shitty oppressive policies, but we don't live in that world, so electing a cheating, foul mouthed embezzler is called for.


"Lets keep on electing a moron beacuse OTHER POLTICAL SIDE EBIL"

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Are you saying that being pro-crime is a good take?


Depends on the crime. I don't believe that the violation of a law is inherently bad.

Judging from various previous posts, I doubt you believe any breaking of the the law is ever inherently bad.

Telconi wrote:In a perfect world, there would be no Democrats, and no shitty oppressive policies, but we don't live in that world, so electing a cheating, foul mouthed embezzler is called for.

If your """perfect""" world, it would be the Republicans doing the shitty oppressive policies, so thankfully we don't live in authoritarian single-party that world.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:27 pm

You ever notice that Gotham City as portrayed in the Batman movies is like a cross between 1980s cyberpunk and Victorian steampunk. I think it's a cool vibe.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:30 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:This is literally a shitty dystopian fanfic that doesn't belong in here.


It'd be a great place to live. We should have let the South go in 1861. What did we gain by keeping them around? Our industrialization would have been far greater!


There's a reason why the Gilded Age was called the Gilded Age. A thin veneer of "gold" in the way of economic expansion masking serious social and cultural problems, which is why shit like that these days is relegated to dystopian fiction since nobody wants to go back to that hellhole of a time period. Also, psychopathy isn't something that should be revered and placed into national dominance over society since psychopathy puts the desires of the self at the expense of the needs of the many, generally with harmful and malicious results.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
Everhall wrote:I can see where that could be the case. Blacks going against Southern Jim Crow laws which were morally wrong.

However, in this case I don't believe allowing politicians to enrich themselves through corruption should be allowed, Democrat or Republican.


In a perfect world, there would be no racists, and no Jim Crow, but we don't live in that world, so sit ins and marches on Washington were called for.

In a perfect world, there would be no Democrats, and no shitty oppressive policies, but we don't live in that world, so electing a cheating, foul mouthed embezzler is called for.

A'www, that's cute.

Let's just forget the fact that the party the foul mouthed embezzler is a part of has no issue restricting the rights and freedoms of Americans a long as those restrictions are done to support their interests.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:34 pm

New haven america wrote:
Telconi wrote:
In a perfect world, there would be no racists, and no Jim Crow, but we don't live in that world, so sit ins and marches on Washington were called for.

In a perfect world, there would be no Democrats, and no shitty oppressive policies, but we don't live in that world, so electing a cheating, foul mouthed embezzler is called for.

A'www, that's cute.

Let's just forget the fact that the party the foul mouthed embezzler is a part of has no issue restricting the rights and freedoms of Americans a long as those restrictions are in their interests.

Congratulations, you just made a great argument against both parties simultaneously!

Let's all vote Libertarian to shake things up a bit.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:35 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
It'd be a great place to live. We should have let the South go in 1861. What did we gain by keeping them around? Our industrialization would have been far greater!


There's a reason why the Gilded Age was called the Gilded Age. A thin veneer of "gold" in the way of economic expansion masking serious social and cultural problems, which is why shit like that these days is relegated to dystopian fiction since nobody wants to go back to that hellhole of a time period. Also, psychopathy isn't something that should be revered and placed into national dominance over society since psychopathy puts the desires of the self at the expense of the needs of the many, generally with harmful and malicious results.


I just want Gotham City to be a real place.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
New haven america wrote:A'www, that's cute.

Let's just forget the fact that the party the foul mouthed embezzler is a part of has no issue restricting the rights and freedoms of Americans a long as those restrictions are in their interests.

Congratulations, you just made a great argument against both parties simultaneously!

Let's all vote Libertarian to shake things up a bit.
Maybe some of you can vote Green, we can pit weed versus healing crystals.

The Libertarian Party is somehow even worse, as Libertarianism is probably the most dystopian and hypocritical ideology I can think of.

And no, the Green Party in the US is insane.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:36 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
There's a reason why the Gilded Age was called the Gilded Age. A thin veneer of "gold" in the way of economic expansion masking serious social and cultural problems, which is why shit like that these days is relegated to dystopian fiction since nobody wants to go back to that hellhole of a time period. Also, psychopathy isn't something that should be revered and placed into national dominance over society since psychopathy puts the desires of the self at the expense of the needs of the many, generally with harmful and malicious results.


I just want Gotham City to be a real place.

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Postby Napkizemlja » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:37 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Is this really such a bad take, even if it were true?

Are you saying that being pro-crime is a good take?

Tbh high crime rates make life more interesting. A lot of New Yorkers look fondly on 70's to early 90's NYC despite parts of it looking like a bomb had just hit it (South Bronx, Alphabet City, Harlem, etc).
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:37 pm

New haven america wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Congratulations, you just made a great argument against both parties simultaneously!

Let's all vote Libertarian to shake things up a bit.
Maybe some of you can vote Green, we can pit weed versus healing crystals.

The Libertarian Party is somehow even worse, as Libertarianism is probably the most dystopian and hypocritical ideology I can think of.

How?

And no, the Green Party in the US is insane.

This I agree with, but they're a fresh kind of insane.
The debates would be more interesting, at least.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:37 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I just want Gotham City to be a real place.

Build it in Montana when you retire. If you build it ...


Nope. Needs to be on a large body of water and in a humid continental climate.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:37 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
There's a reason why the Gilded Age was called the Gilded Age. A thin veneer of "gold" in the way of economic expansion masking serious social and cultural problems, which is why shit like that these days is relegated to dystopian fiction since nobody wants to go back to that hellhole of a time period. Also, psychopathy isn't something that should be revered and placed into national dominance over society since psychopathy puts the desires of the self at the expense of the needs of the many, generally with harmful and malicious results.


I just want Gotham City to be a real place.

In DC Comics Gotham is considered a crime-ridden shithole that for some reason draws in the most vile of humanity to duke it out with those who simply want to live their lives in peace.

So it's like America, but smaller.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:38 pm

New haven america wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I just want Gotham City to be a real place.

In DC Comics Gotham is considered a crime-ridden shithole that for some reason draws in the most vile of humanity to duke it out with those who simply want to live their lives in peace.

So it's like America, but smaller.


Yeah, I know, it's great.
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