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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Fahran » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:23 am

The East Marches II wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't /pol/ where the alt-right hang out though? I know its separate from the rest of 4chan, but still.


Do you know what the alt-right is beyond the popular misunderstanding? I'm not asking rudely, rather trying to determine what your knowledge base is so I can decide how to explain this further.

It used to be the neoreactionary edge-lords but then the white nats attacked.

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:25 am

Fahran wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Do you know what the alt-right is beyond the popular misunderstanding? I'm not asking rudely, rather trying to determine what your knowledge base is so I can decide how to explain this further.

It used to be the neoreactionary edge-lords but then the white nats attacked.


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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:27 am

The East Marches II wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't /pol/ where the alt-right hang out though? I know its separate from the rest of 4chan, but still.


Do you know what the alt-right is beyond the popular misunderstanding? I'm not asking rudely, rather trying to determine what your knowledge base is so I can decide how to explain this further.

I know it's a tent of anti-establishment ideologies that view themselves in opposition to mainstream conservatism. It's different from the alt-light as the alt-right usually has white nationalist leanings and wants an ethnostate. Many if not most of them are neo-Nazis, though there are others that don't quite qualify as fascists. Most are antisemitic, though some groups like American Renaissance seem to be exceptions.

The alt-right does engage in false flag campaigns as well.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:43 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Do you know what the alt-right is beyond the popular misunderstanding? I'm not asking rudely, rather trying to determine what your knowledge base is so I can decide how to explain this further.

I know it's a tent of anti-establishment ideologies that view themselves in opposition to mainstream conservatism. It's different from the alt-light as the alt-right usually has white nationalist leanings and wants an ethnostate. Many if not most of them are neo-Nazis, though there are others that don't quite qualify as fascists. Most are antisemitic, though some groups like American Renaissance seem to be exceptions.

The alt-right does engage in false flag campaigns as well.


You've a decent working knowledge. /pol/ is Mos Eisley cantina.It's a place of peace where all types of scum assemble to do things, mainly trolling other trolls. It is too disorganized to be an effective rallying point. All posts are equal, the users anonymous (usually), the rules are loose and the user base notoriously willing to troll its own even if you are also racist, sexist or some form of asshole. This is not conducive to much more than meme making and various hoaxes. It's structure precludes that sort of thing.

However, if you want to see where the intellectual exchange of ideas between what might be called the alt-right exists, go to Twitter. From Twitter, there most people are led into the various bolt holes and organized forums that are conducive for movements. The irony is big bad Twitter is such a joke with its rule enforcement and bans that groups/sites like TRS, AMren and even an news offshoot of TRS called National Justice is allowed to continue to push forth it's message. They more than anything are the conduit. Chan culture and alt-right/lite have some overlap but the terms, memes and phrases will be largely different though mutually intelligible if that makes sense.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:06 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I know it's a tent of anti-establishment ideologies that view themselves in opposition to mainstream conservatism. It's different from the alt-light as the alt-right usually has white nationalist leanings and wants an ethnostate. Many if not most of them are neo-Nazis, though there are others that don't quite qualify as fascists. Most are antisemitic, though some groups like American Renaissance seem to be exceptions.

The alt-right does engage in false flag campaigns as well.


You've a decent working knowledge. /pol/ is Mos Eisley cantina.It's a place of peace where all types of scum assemble to do things, mainly trolling other trolls. It is too disorganized to be an effective rallying point. All posts are equal, the users anonymous (usually), the rules are loose and the user base notoriously willing to troll its own even if you are also racist, sexist or some form of asshole. This is not conducive to much more than meme making and various hoaxes. It's structure precludes that sort of thing.

However, if you want to see where the intellectual exchange of ideas between what might be called the alt-right exists, go to Twitter. From Twitter, there most people are led into the various bolt holes and organized forums that are conducive for movements. The irony is big bad Twitter is such a joke with its rule enforcement and bans that groups/sites like TRS, AMren and even an news offshoot of TRS called National Justice is allowed to continue to push forth it's message. They more than anything are the conduit. Chan culture and alt-right/lite have some overlap but the terms, memes and phrases will be largely different though mutually intelligible if that makes sense.

It makes sense.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:15 pm

Fahran wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm not someone who cares for the "humanity" of ISIS fighters, especially when they've burned people alive.

The humanity of American soldiers does matter though. And, beyond that, we do not live in an atomized society.

And there's nothing more human than getting revenge on human trash.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:21 pm

Tbqfh trophy taking has a long and glorious history with the US military.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:23 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Tbqfh trophy taking has a long and glorious history with the US military.


And I believe even during WW2 it was officially frowned upon because of the risk of reprisal.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:23 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Tbqfh trophy taking has a long and glorious history with the US military.

Image

Let's make that image more visible.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:24 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Tbqfh trophy taking has a long and glorious history with the US military.


And I believe even during WW2 it was officially frowned upon because of the risk of reprisal.

It was officially frowned upon, everybody knew about it basically but nobody did anything about it or talked about it. The enemy were subhuman yellow monkeys anyway.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:46 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
You've a decent working knowledge. /pol/ is Mos Eisley cantina.It's a place of peace where all types of scum assemble to do things, mainly trolling other trolls. It is too disorganized to be an effective rallying point. All posts are equal, the users anonymous (usually), the rules are loose and the user base notoriously willing to troll its own even if you are also racist, sexist or some form of asshole. This is not conducive to much more than meme making and various hoaxes. It's structure precludes that sort of thing.

However, if you want to see where the intellectual exchange of ideas between what might be called the alt-right exists, go to Twitter. From Twitter, there most people are led into the various bolt holes and organized forums that are conducive for movements. The irony is big bad Twitter is such a joke with its rule enforcement and bans that groups/sites like TRS, AMren and even an news offshoot of TRS called National Justice is allowed to continue to push forth it's message. They more than anything are the conduit. Chan culture and alt-right/lite have some overlap but the terms, memes and phrases will be largely different though mutually intelligible if that makes sense.

It makes sense.


The overlap is entirely non-coincidental, however.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Tbqfh trophy taking has a long and glorious history with the US military.


And I believe even during WW2 it was officially frowned upon because of the risk of reprisal.


Trophy taking only became frowned upon in the 80's or 90's or thereabouts.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 25, 2019 1:32 pm

I have no opion on the stuff your talking about, but out of everything I've seen Trump remains a very shitty president.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:26 pm

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Postby The Grims » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:05 am

So, in an interview Trump said his favourite christmas movie is Home Alone 2. Not least because he has a cameo in it.

So of course, when Canadian broadcaster CBC aired it they... cut that scene.

To make room for commercials of course. Not as a political statement.

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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:55 am

The Grims wrote:So, in an interview Trump said his favourite christmas movie is Home Alone 2. Not least because he has a cameo in it.

So of course, when Canadian broadcaster CBC aired it they... cut that scene.

To make room for commercials of course. Not as a political statement.

I assume a Canadian government run broadcaster would be trying to avoid touchy issues as a whole
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Postby Fahran » Thu Dec 26, 2019 8:05 am

Aureumterra wrote:I assume a Canadian government run broadcaster would be trying to avoid touchy issues as a whole

Is Home Alone 2 really so despised in Canada? :p

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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:49 am

Vassenor wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Tbqfh trophy taking has a long and glorious history with the US military.


And I believe even during WW2 it was officially frowned upon because of the risk of reprisal.

And yet, Marines at in the pacific theatre had necklaces made of Japanese ears. War is hell.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:52 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And I believe even during WW2 it was officially frowned upon because of the risk of reprisal.

And yet, Marines at in the pacific theatre had necklaces made of Japanese ears. War is hell.

“We did it in the past” is not a reason to keep doing it.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:01 am

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:And yet, Marines at in the pacific theatre had necklaces made of Japanese ears. War is hell.

“We did it in the past” is not a reason to keep doing it.


Not the point I was making. K thanks
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:04 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Tbqfh trophy taking has a long and glorious history with the US military.


Get me 10 Indian scalps, soldier.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:30 pm

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Shay’s rebellion was over the ineffectuality of government to adequately meet its obligations to pay revolutionary war soldiers what it owed and the overburdening system of taxes under the articles of confederation. It was government regulation that caused the rebellion, not lack of it. To say the rebellion was anti-capitalist is a reach beyond reaches

Well…yes and no. The taxation was a cause, but not the primary one. The actual cause was British and European merchants who refused to extend credit, requiring that American merchants pay them in gold and silver (a thing of which there was a notable lack). These American merchants would then pass the cost along to their consumers, who were then, because of the merchants’ shenanigans, unable to pay their taxes. The government (which was mostly dominated by the merchant class) refused to lower taxes in exchange. The lack of pay for Revolutionary War soldiers was actually caused by the severe weakness of government under the AOC.

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Taxes have nothing to do with the free market. That's something governments impose.

Well, no. Beyond the fact that a “free market” is a contradiction in terms, it requires a government and taxes to exist in the first place.


No it isn't and capitalism has nothing to do with taxes or government regulations.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
So?

So he's trash. Human garbage. Violent and dangerous. Worse than any of the people who've been called "thug" by an angry old Republican.


So a man who's only crime was taking a group photo with a dead terrorist is worse than actual violent thugs. Got it.
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:33 pm

What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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