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Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:Dropping white phosphorous on civilian population zones is a civil right.

Nice try. That's not the issue here and if you studied this at all you'd know as much. But keep defending Antisemites.

So what is the issue here then?

Vassenor wrote:

Fahran wrote:No. I'm simply supporting civil rights, Gauth. :^)

Dropping white phosphorous on civilian population zones is a civil right.

So is ethnic cleansing and settlement expansion. :^]

Fahran wrote:

Valrifell wrote:"I don't like Israel for the settlements and so I won't support products produced by their company"

-racist, apparently.

BDS is de facto a racist project. We can point to a minority of its activists who aren't actual bigots but that doesn't excuse the fact that it's objective is to get public institutions to discriminate against Jews by opposing their right to self-determination - the specific fact that makes BDS Antisemitic under functioning definitions of Antisemitism.

So why don't the Palestinians get self determination?

Vassenor wrote:So basically you have no idea what the anti-Israeli protests are actually protesting against and just decided it's opposing Jewish self-determination.

BDS is specifically Antisemitic as an organization. Not all protest of Israel is Antisemitic, however, and Trump isn't proposing to punish all criticism of Israel. He's applying the functional definition of Antisemitism adopted in multiple European countries and incorporating it into civil rights protections for Jews and Israelis.

Vassenor wrote:So what is the issue here then?

You can't discriminate against protected groups under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. That's all.

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So basically you have no idea what the anti-Israeli protests are actually protesting against and just decided it's opposing Jewish self-determination.

BDS is specifically Antisemitic as an organization. Not all protest of Israel is Antisemitic, however, and Trump isn't proposing to punish all criticism of Israel. He's applying the functional definition of Antisemitism adopted in multiple European countries and incorporating it into civil rights protections for Jews and Israelis.

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Fahran wrote:

Valrifell wrote:"I don't like Israel for the settlements and so I won't support products produced by their company"

-racist, apparently.

BDS is de facto a racist project. We can point to a minority of its activists who aren't actual bigots but that doesn't excuse the fact that it's objective is to get public institutions to discriminate against Jews by opposing their right to self-determination - the specific fact that makes BDS Antisemitic under functioning definitions of Antisemitism.

It's like you want the boycotts to succeed with how you keep hyping the BDS Menace.

Vassenor wrote:So why don't the Palestinians get self determination?

Because losing multiple wars, being occupied, and refusing to conclude a permanent peace that defines your national boundaries makes self-determination impossible.

Vassenor wrote:[citation needed]

On which specific claim?

Gormwood wrote:It's like you want the boycotts to succeed with how you keep hyping the BDS Menace.

No, I'm just aware that they're a den of bigots as a rule. I don't get the obsession our tolerant left has with defending thinly veiled hatred of Jews.

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So what is the issue here then?

You can't discriminate against protected groups under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. That's all.

So how is criticizing a foreign government or calling for boycotting its products discrimination? The KKK didn't boycott peanut butter just because George Washington Carver invented it.

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So why don't the Palestinians get self determination?

Because losing multiple wars, being occupied, and refusing to conclude a permanent peace that defines your national boundaries makes self-determination impossible.

But it's anti-self determination to say that another nation should not be allowed to massacre you.

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So why don't the Palestinians get self determination?

Because losing multiple wars, being occupied, and refusing to conclude a permanent peace that defines your national boundaries makes self-determination impossible.

So they're sentenced to permanent untermenschenhood in other words.

Gormwood wrote:So how is criticizing a foreign government or calling for boycotting its products discrimination?

You can still criticize the Israeli government. Implementing a boycott for discriminatory reasons, and let's not pretend BDS isn't filled with Antisemites because I know y'all aren't that obtuse, that impacts minority students disproportionately on the basis of their ethnic or national origin is discriminatory.

Gormwood wrote:The KKK didn't boycott peanut butter just because George Washington Carver invented it.

What are you on about?

Gormwood wrote:

Fahran wrote:Because losing multiple wars, being occupied, and refusing to conclude a permanent peace that defines your national boundaries makes self-determination impossible.

So they're sentenced to permanent untermenschenhood in other words.

No. They lack full self-determination until disputes have been settled or Israeli security has been adequately ensured to the point that occupation is no longer necessary.

Vassenor wrote:But it's anti-self determination to say that another nation should not be allowed to massacre you.

We both know that isn't BDS's principal objection or goal.

Fahran wrote:

Gormwood wrote:So how is criticizing a foreign government or calling for boycotting its products discrimination?

You can still criticize the Israeli government. Implementing a boycott for discriminatory reasons, and let's not pretend BDS isn't filled with Antisemites because I know y'all aren't that obtuse, that impacts minority students disproportionately on the basis of their ethnic or national origin is discriminatory.

Gormwood wrote:The KKK didn't boycott peanut butter just because George Washington Carver invented it.

What are you on about?

You keep shrieking about a boycott call like it'll singlehandedly destroy Israel and gas every Jew on the planet in a single stroke. The peanut butter quip is just pointing out the absurdity of treating boycotts as racial attacks. That so SJW.

Gormwood wrote:You keep shrieking about a boycott call like it'll singlehandedly destroy Israel and gas every Jew on the planet in a single stroke.

No. That's not my complaint here. My argument is that we shouldn't allow public institutions to engage in what amounts to thinly veiled discrimination under existing legal and functional definitions. I'm supporting civil rights.

Gormwood wrote:The peanut butter quip is just pointing out the absurdity of treating boycotts as racial attacks. That so SJW.

Except BDS is actually a thinly veiled ethnic attack. It might be ineffective but that doesn't mean it isn't Antisemitic. Someone shouting a particular four letter slur at me doesn't actually hurt me but, yes, they're still a bigot for doing that. I'm not going to pretend that Anti-Zionism is some innoccuous movement that has no problem with Jews as a group. BDS specifically has quite a few problems with us. The intention behind a lot of those movements is to deny Jewish self-determination and that's why this specific legislation has them whining.

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:But it's anti-self determination to say that another nation should not be allowed to massacre you.

We both know that isn't BDS's principal objection or goal.

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Gormwood wrote:

Fahran wrote:You can still criticize the Israeli government. Implementing a boycott for discriminatory reasons, and let's not pretend BDS isn't filled with Antisemites because I know y'all aren't that obtuse, that impacts minority students disproportionately on the basis of their ethnic or national origin is discriminatory.


What are you on about?

You keep shrieking about a boycott call like it'll singlehandedly destroy Israel and gas every Jew on the planet in a single stroke. The peanut butter quip is just pointing out the absurdity of treating boycotts as racial attacks. That so SJW.

I'm really glad the Women's March debacle happened. There Gauthier, your poor defense of this sort of nonsense collapsed as it was brought to public the sorts who are behind this business. Anti-semetic types galore. But it's perfect fine as long as you support social justice right Gauth :^)

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:So what is the issue here then?

You can't discriminate against protected groups under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. That's all.

We should really thank our liberal friends continually expanding the protected classes thing and the rights of the Feds to fight discrimination. I think a big thanks to them is in order :^)

Vassenor wrote:[citation needed]

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You have an unfortunate habit of supporting Antisemites, friendo. You might want to use the discernment you use in protecting Muslims and LGBT+ persons to protect Jews given we're more likely to face hate crimes and violence than our Muslim countrymen in many places at the moment.

The East Marches II wrote:We should really thank our liberal friends continually expanding the protected classes thing and the rights of the Feds to fight discrimination. I think a big thanks to them is in order :^)

Trump is more liberal on the Jews than most progressives. Truly a champion of civil rights in this instance.

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:[citation needed]

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So are you going to explain what their actual motivations are or just keep asserting that they're anti-semitic because they want Palestinian Self Determination?

Fahran wrote:

Vassenor wrote:[citation needed]

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Two opinion pieces. Welp I'm convinced.

Gormwood wrote:

Fahran wrote:Source.
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Two opinion pieces. Welp I'm convinced.

That's more than your usual standard of evidence, I'm glad you saw the light :^)