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Should Donald Trump be impeached?

Yes, and he should be removed from office and prosecuted.
174
50%
Yes, and he should be removed from office but not prosecuted.
19
5%
Yes, and he should be impeached but not removed from office.
3
1%
Neutral/Unsure/Meh
14
4%
No, he shouldn't be impeached, let the 2020 Election decide his fate.
44
13%
No, he shouldn't be impeached as his actions don't warrant impeachment.
33
10%
No, he shouldn't be impeached as the impeachment inquiry is politically motivated.
60
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:14 pm

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It's a bit of a repeat of Iraq in 1990, basically give the go-ahead for a country to invade another and on realising that mistake apply sanctions and get all huffy. Not that you'd know any of this on FOX, in that universe the world is gripped by potential Biden corruption.

Which it might be, it is possible Obama spied on Trump' campaign during 2016 or knew about it and did nothing, Joe Biden and his son Hunter went to China together while Obama was President.

I think the US Senate Republicans have started to investigate it in the Senate.

Their is a video not a phone call of Joe Biden bragging of how he threatened the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor or the Obama administration would withhold aid money to Ukraine, like Trump said, their are reports that 3 Democrat congressman threatened Ukraine their aid and support would be affected if they had good relations with the Trump administration, like President Trump said, doesn't that sound familiar.

Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden was paid at least $ 50 000 a month or whatever amount by Burisma of Hungary and the kid doesn't know anything about gas, Hunter Biden has made money from a major Chinese government corporation, he will resign from Oct 31 2019, after Trump, the Republicans charges, and perhaps a few of the Democrat Presidential candidates might make a few similar charges of their own against Joe Biden and or his son Hunter Biden.

Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Burisma executive have dined and played golf at a country club together, and they have never talked business lol, who really believes that. Obama, Hillary, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden should be investigated too by the Democrats and Republican in the House Committee and by the Republicans in the Senate, and they might find a lot of political dirt of the partisan Democrats screaming for Trump's impeachment and conviction especially during an election season.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:15 pm

Former Top Russia Adviser Fiona Hill Testifies on Capitol Hill About Ukraine

Basically this:

President Trump’s former top Russia adviser told House committees Monday that she and other White House officials grew so alarmed about the administration’s efforts to push Ukraine to open certain investigations that they raised their concerns with a White House lawyer, according to people familiar with the matter.

Fiona Hill, who served on the National Security Council and left the administration in August, testified for about nine hours before three House panels as part of the impeachment inquiry examining the president, his administration and his allies’ dealings with Ukraine, including a July call in which he pressed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate Mr. Biden and other matters.

In her testimony, she detailed a July 10 meeting she attended with senior Ukrainian officials, then-National Security Adviser John Bolton, and other U.S. officials in which the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, raised the issue of the investigations, the people said.

People in the room took the comments to refer to an investigation that could implicate Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden and his son, the people said. Both Ms. Hill and Mr. Bolton left the meeting with concerns about what had transpired, and Ms. Hill said Mr. Bolton instructed her to talk to NSC lawyer John Eisenberg, the people said. A spokeswoman for Mr. Bolton didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Sondland also appeared to be coordinating his efforts with acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, Ms. Hill testified, the people said. A lawyer for Mr. Sondland, who is set to testify to House committees on Thursday, didn’t respond to a request for comment. The White House didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

Ms. Hill described to lawmakers efforts by the president’s lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, that circumvented typical government procedures for foreign policy to press Ukraine to mount investigations into the Bidens, as well as possible 2016 election interference, the people said. Mr. Giuliani has said he worked in conjunction with the State Department.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:The sooner Trump's gone for good from the political scene, the better.

The damage has already been done. Trump has exposed glaring holes in our political system. We need a new constitution

Any new constitution better have all the first 13 amendments
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Postby Galloism » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:16 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:The damage has already been done. Trump has exposed glaring holes in our political system. We need a new constitution

Any new constitution better have all the first 13 amendments

>leaving out the 14th
>state level oppression when
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:18 pm

Galloism wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Any new constitution better have all the first 13 amendments

>leaving out the 14th
>state level oppression when

That too, preferably all the amendments, the first 10 are the most important however
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:19 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The damage has already been done. Trump has exposed glaring holes in our political system. We need a new constitution


No doubt about that.

Huh, I always thought libertarians were vehemently pro-constitution
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:19 pm

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Zurkerx wrote:
No doubt about that.

Huh, I always thought libertarians were vehemently pro-constitution


I am similarily surprised.
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Postby Uiiop » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The damage has already been done. Trump has exposed glaring holes in our political system. We need a new constitution

Any new constitution better have all the first 13 amendments

IDK i'm with Kanye on this one at least the 13 needs a re-do.
12th is kinda based on the electoral college still being a thing so nah on that too.
11? Hmm...i honesty don't know. Sounds thorny either way.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:20 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
It's a bit of a repeat of Iraq in 1990, basically give the go-ahead for a country to invade another and on realising that mistake apply sanctions and get all huffy. Not that you'd know any of this on FOX, in that universe the world is gripped by potential Biden corruption.

Which it might be, it is possible Obama spied on Trump' campaign during 2016 or knew about it and did nothing, Joe Biden and his son Hunter went to China together while Obama was President.

I think the US Senate Republicans have started to investigate it in the Senate.

Their is a video not a phone call of Joe Biden bragging of how he threatened the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor or the Obama administration would withhold aid money to Ukraine, like Trump said, their are reports that 3 Democrat congressman threatened Ukraine their aid and support would be affected if they had good relations with the Trump administration, like President Trump said, doesn't that sound familiar.

Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden was paid at least $ 50 000 a month or whatever amount by Burisma of Hungary and the kid doesn't know anything about gas, Hunter Biden has made money from a major Chinese government corporation.

Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Burisma executive have dined and played golf at a country club together, and they have never talked business lol, who really believes that. Obama, Hillary, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden should be investigated too by the Democrats and Republican in the House Committee and by the Republicans in the Senate, and they might find a lot of political dirt of the partisan Democrats screaming for Trump's impeachment and conviction especially during an election season.

Here's the thing. Maybe Obama and Clinton and Biden all have done crimes. But that doesn't let Trump off the hook. Trump doesn't get to dictate "You can't investigate me until you investigate them". And you can, and I'm sure will, complain all you want about partisan politics, but whether it's partisan or not, saying that Obama, Biden, and Clinton should be investigated is not a defence of Trump.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:22 pm

Miami Shores wrote:Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Burisma executive have dined and played golf at a country club together, and they have never talked business lol, who really believes that.


All those people who believe Trump never talked with Trump Jnr about the meeting concerning dirt on Hillary Clinton, or maybe all those people who believe Trump never talks business with his sons given they run the Trump empire?

Lots of people wanted the Ukrainian prosecutor out, in part because he wasn't investigating Burisma.

However.. I actually think this whole Turkey thing is even worse. For one what did Trump and Erdogan discuss to have Trump pull out troops, even though it was clear this would lead to Turkish invasion, ISIS release, and then further complicate things whereby now the US has to consider pulling nuclear weapons out of Turkey.

According to one former official, Turkish diplomats responded to suggestions that the bombs might be removed by saying Turkey would develop its own nuclear weapons.

“The potential problems have been discussed for over a decade. And now we’ve finally gotten to a point where this is a problem that we can’t ignore any more,” the former US official said.

Erdoğan underlined that threat last month, declaring at a party rally that it was “unacceptable” for Turkey not to have its own arsenal. He claimed falsely: “There is no developed nation in the world that doesn’t have them.”


Sweet, more nuclear proliferation.

This is a total shitshow seemingly decided off a single phone call, and now he's trying to back out in applying sanctions when it seems extremely clear this is what Turkey were going to do.

That call should come under intense scrutiny.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:23 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
No doubt about that.

Huh, I always thought libertarians were vehemently pro-constitution


Well, we are but I'm a bit more pragmatic. I would like to see some changes for sure, particularly strengthening Amendments like the 1st, 2nd, and 4th, and many more. And adding addition rights to protect others. And really, I'm for changing it more through the amendment process and not for scrapping the entire document. It is a living breathing document after all.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:24 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Any new constitution better have all the first 13 amendments

IDK i'm with Kanye on this one at least the 13 needs a re-do.
12th is kinda based on the electoral college still being a thing so nah on that too.
11? Hmm...i honesty don't know. Sounds thorny either way.

This is the reason why replacing the constitution is a horrible idea (not a personal thing, I’m just pointing out that there will be severe disagreement over everything)
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:25 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:Which it might be, it is possible Obama spied on Trump' campaign during 2016 or knew about it and did nothing, Joe Biden and his son Hunter went to China together while Obama was President.

I think the US Senate Republicans have started to investigate it in the Senate.

Their is a video not a phone call of Joe Biden bragging of how he threatened the Ukraine government to fire a prosecutor or the Obama administration would withhold aid money to Ukraine, like Trump said, their are reports that 3 Democrat congressman threatened Ukraine their aid and support would be affected if they had good relations with the Trump administration, like President Trump said, doesn't that sound familiar.

Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden was paid at least $ 50 000 a month or whatever amount by Burisma of Hungary and the kid doesn't know anything about gas, Hunter Biden has made money from a major Chinese government corporation.

Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Burisma executive have dined and played golf at a country club together, and they have never talked business lol, who really believes that. Obama, Hillary, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden should be investigated too by the Democrats and Republican in the House Committee and by the Republicans in the Senate, and they might find a lot of political dirt of the partisan Democrats screaming for Trump's impeachment and conviction especially during an election season.

Here's the thing. Maybe Obama and Clinton and Biden all have done crimes. But that doesn't let Trump off the hook. Trump doesn't get to dictate "You can't investigate me until you investigate them". And you can, and I'm sure will, complain all you want about partisan politics, but whether it's partisan or not, saying that Obama, Biden, and Clinton should be investigated is not a defence of Trump.

Good post Ifreann, but if they are investigating them and they find a lot of political dirt on them, and prove they are not the saints they claim to be I will be very happy about that, especially Democrat Adam Schiff.

Lets not keep denying this impeachment attempt against Trump by the Democrats especially during an election season to weaken Trump is not political.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:25 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Uiiop wrote:IDK i'm with Kanye on this one at least the 13 needs a re-do.
12th is kinda based on the electoral college still being a thing so nah on that too.
11? Hmm...i honesty don't know. Sounds thorny either way.

This is the reason why replacing the constitution is a horrible idea (not a personal thing, I’m just pointing out that there will be severe disagreement over everything)

Yeah, you can't just ban forced prison labour. That'd be tyrannical or something.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:30 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Here's the thing. Maybe Obama and Clinton and Biden all have done crimes. But that doesn't let Trump off the hook. Trump doesn't get to dictate "You can't investigate me until you investigate them". And you can, and I'm sure will, complain all you want about partisan politics, but whether it's partisan or not, saying that Obama, Biden, and Clinton should be investigated is not a defence of Trump.

Good post Ifreann, but if they are investigating them and they find a lot of political dirt on them, and prove they are not the saints they claim to be I will be very happy about that, especially Democrat Adam Schiff.

I know you would, and I know Trump would. Because Trump would go on TV and act like the investigation into him can't be legitimate because look those people did bad things. But that's not how the world works. Obama being a criminal doesn't make Trump innocent, or doesn't mean Trump should be allowed to get away with his crimes.

Again, you're not defending Trump here, you're just anticipating the smear campaign he'd go on. He's not going to reward you for licking his boots, you know.

Lets not keep denying this impeachment attempt against Trump by the Democrats especially during an election season to weaken Trump is not political.

Trump is facing impeachment because he's been breaking the law incessantly since he took office.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:33 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:This is the reason why replacing the constitution is a horrible idea (not a personal thing, I’m just pointing out that there will be severe disagreement over everything)

Yeah, you can't just ban forced prison labour. That'd be tyrannical or something.

There are ways to amend parts of the constitution, scrapping it and making a new one from scratch will be a betrayal to everything the first one stood for

And the first one did maintain one of the longest lasting stable democracies that has even survived a civil war
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:35 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yeah, you can't just ban forced prison labour. That'd be tyrannical or something.

There are ways to amend parts of the constitution, scrapping it and making a new one from scratch will be a betrayal to everything the first one stood for

And the first one did maintain one of the longest lasting stable democracies that has even survived a civil war


I do not believe americans would be able to agree upon a constitution nowadays anymore.

Imagine the mayham when it comes to "hot" topics such as gun or LGBT rights...
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:36 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:Good post Ifreann, but if they are investigating them and they find a lot of political dirt on them, and prove they are not the saints they claim to be I will be very happy about that, especially Democrat Adam Schiff.

I know you would, and I know Trump would. Because Trump would go on TV and act like the investigation into him can't be legitimate because look those people did bad things. But that's not how the world works. Obama being a criminal doesn't make Trump innocent, or doesn't mean Trump should be allowed to get away with his crimes.

Again, you're not defending Trump here, you're just anticipating the smear campaign he'd go on. He's not going to reward you for licking his boots, you know.

Lets not keep denying this impeachment attempt against Trump by the Democrats especially during an election season to weaken Trump is not political.

Trump is facing impeachment because he's been breaking the law incessantly since he took office.

I will Proudly lick President Trump's boots, :bow:
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:37 pm

Nakena wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:There are ways to amend parts of the constitution, scrapping it and making a new one from scratch will be a betrayal to everything the first one stood for

And the first one did maintain one of the longest lasting stable democracies that has even survived a civil war


I do not believe americans would be able to agree upon a constitution nowadays anymore.

Imagine the mayham when it comes to "hot" topics such as gun or LGBT rights...

There’ll be quite a large group opposing free speech
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Postby Nakena » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:40 pm

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Nakena wrote:
I do not believe americans would be able to agree upon a constitution nowadays anymore.

Imagine the mayham when it comes to "hot" topics such as gun or LGBT rights...

There’ll be quite a large group opposing free speech


Or at least make restrictions to it. Eitherway, there it already comes down. And that alone would be amongst the reasons where the whole thing dies early on. Except those matters are explicitly circumvented in some way but I do not believe that would be going to happen.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:41 pm

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Miami Shores wrote:What Tyrant?


Trump.


Well? He is more of a wannabe. Unfortunately; he will be a neverwas.
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Postby True Refuge » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:51 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I know you would, and I know Trump would. Because Trump would go on TV and act like the investigation into him can't be legitimate because look those people did bad things. But that's not how the world works. Obama being a criminal doesn't make Trump innocent, or doesn't mean Trump should be allowed to get away with his crimes.

Again, you're not defending Trump here, you're just anticipating the smear campaign he'd go on. He's not going to reward you for licking his boots, you know.


Trump is facing impeachment because he's been breaking the law incessantly since he took office.

I will Proudly lick President Trump's boots, :bow:


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Still waiting for the links to where you explain how he maga’d.

I posted my answer to you on a post to Vassenor, but according to the NS system I have 783 posts on the thread, I am not going to go through 783 posts, you know I support Donnie for the economy, his social policies in general, cutting government regulations, signing executive orders undoing Obama executive orders, anti immigration policies, anti Venezuelan and Cuban regime my ultimate litmus test, I now have answered your question again but this time with more detail, thank you for your post, Peace over and out.

I disagree with Donnie on his soft foreign policy on North Korea and on his betrayal of the Kurds, I support and independent Kurdistan Nation State, I think they can be an oil rich, strong military ally of the US like Israel.

I am against the leftist liberal democrat socialist policies.

I am against the leftist Democrat Presidential candidates in American terms, I will never vote for a leftist Liberal Democrat and all support the Cuban regime especially Bernie Sanders.

But I still support Donnie and the Republicans for all the Great Make America Great Again Policies I and millions of American citizens support.


Ok you responded :)

Economy is shrinking though. Companies are holding back and layoffs are starting again. They have always been in use (you have to be under a certain number to not have to report them). Trade war is really hurting people.....well except for the wealthy class.

His social polices will be thrown out by the next guy.

Regulation cuts? Granted there are some which can go due to age and should be cut. However, trusting corporate america to do the “right thing” because of the freemarket is ignorant at best.

The beauty of the executive order? Much of what he signed will most like be tossed by the next guy.

Anti-cuba, anti-venezuala? Sure you can have that. Doesn’t effect me so I don’t have an opinion on them as I don’t follow the activities of those two countries.

Agree on the foreign policy views. A self sufficent Kurdistan would solve a few things. Turkey and Russia will never go for that one.

Overall; I am not seeing how maga has been successful. More like yet another notch on his long list of failures.
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:58 pm

True Refuge wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:I will Proudly lick President Trump's boots, :bow:


Is this ironic?

Not at all, I am just saying I Proudly support President Trump as a Conservative Republican Hispanic Latino Cuban American for all the reasons I have posted about on both threads and I will never feel ashamed of it. Those kinds of unnecessary insults don't affect me at all, but he has a right to post them.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:16 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Uiiop wrote:IDK i'm with Kanye on this one at least the 13 needs a re-do.
12th is kinda based on the electoral college still being a thing so nah on that too.
11? Hmm...i honesty don't know. Sounds thorny either way.

This is the reason why replacing the constitution is a horrible idea (not a personal thing, I’m just pointing out that there will be severe disagreement over everything)


We'd never get a new one.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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