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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:20 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Uh-huh. So you're arguing without evidence just to get a BOTHSAME in true Trumpist fashion.

I could say the same thing about your counter posts, but I wont.


So do you deny that Obama's attempts to fill the empty SCOTUS seat in his last year were blocked by the GOP for entirely political reasons?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:21 am

Nakena wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Uh-huh. So you're arguing without evidence just to get a BOTHSAME in true Trumpist fashion.


Theres genuinely good people on both sides of the pond. :^)

Good Post nak :D I second this post as well.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:25 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote: I could say the same thing about your counter posts, but I wont.


So do you deny that Obama's attempts to fill the empty SCOTUS seat in his last year were blocked by the GOP for entirely political reasons?

Nice try Vassenor, my point is that it can happen under any Presidents Republicans and Democrats, lets not deny it.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:28 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So do you deny that Obama's attempts to fill the empty SCOTUS seat in his last year were blocked by the GOP for entirely political reasons?

Nice try Vassenor, my point is that it can happen under any Presidents Republicans and Democrats, lets not deny it.


But you can't prove that yet expect us to believe it's true anyway.
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Postby Nakena » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:28 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Theres genuinely good people on both sides of the pond. :^)

Good Post nak :D I second this post as well.


Thank you. When some other posters bring their content in here, they are not bringing their best.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:29 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:According to this article, US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, popularly known RBG, has been hospitalized again, with chills and high fever. I dont wish her anything bad, and I hope she gets well. But if the worse happens, President Trump will appoint a replacement US Supreme Court Justice, increasing the conservative majority from 4 to 5 to 3 to 6, giving the conservatives a majority of 2 or 3 votes, if the Justices vote on any issues along political party lines. depending on how you count it, but stll a majority of 3 votes over the liberal Democrat leftists.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Hospitalized with Fever
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... and-fever/
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was hospitalized on Friday evening after coming down with the chills and a fever, the high court announced Saturday.

“Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was admitted to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, last night after experiencing chills and fever earlier in the day. She was initially evaluated at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, D.C. before being transferred to Johns Hopkins Hospital for further evaluation and treatment of any possible infection,” Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathleen Arberg said in a statement. “With intravenous antibiotics and fluids, her symptoms have abated and she expects to be released from the hospital as early as Sunday morning.”

Earlier November, a stomach bug forced the 86-year-old to miss arguments. She returned for a public meeting on November 18th.

Ginsburg — often referred to as the “notorious RBG” in liberal circles — has experienced several health issues in recent years. The justice broke three of her ribs in a fall last November and underwent surgery for cancer on her lung in December 2018. She received radiation treatment for pancreatic cancer in August.

Ginsburg also survived colorectal cancer in 1999 and pancreatic cancer in 2009.
Despite ongoing speculation of her retirement, the justice signaled in August that she has no plans to step down from the bench.

She was appointed by then-President Jimmy Carter to the U.S. Court of Appeals in 1980 and appointed to the Supreme Court by then-President Clinton in 1993.

Lets all wish RBG well.


I have no desire to see RGB die (I would rather she would retire), but I would like to see the SCOTUS with a strong conservative majority.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:32 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So do you deny that Obama's attempts to fill the empty SCOTUS seat in his last year were blocked by the GOP for entirely political reasons?

Nice try Vassenor, my point is that it can happen under any Presidents Republicans and Democrats, lets not deny it.


Especially if the republicans set a precedent. This can (and likely will) come back and bite them in the ass in the future. Just like the republicans using the dem created nuclear option against them.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:35 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote: I could say the same thing about your counter posts, but I wont.


So do you deny that Obama's attempts to fill the empty SCOTUS seat in his last year were blocked by the GOP for entirely political reasons?


Without a majority in the Senate, I don't think the dems could block another Trump nomination.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:38 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So do you deny that Obama's attempts to fill the empty SCOTUS seat in his last year were blocked by the GOP for entirely political reasons?


Without a majority in the Senate, I don't think the dems could block another Trump nomination.

I agree with your post above, election year or not, good post.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:23 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Nice try Vassenor, my point is that it can happen under any Presidents Republicans and Democrats, lets not deny it.


Especially if the republicans set a precedent. This can (and likely will) come back and bite them in the ass in the future. Just like the republicans using the dem created nuclear option against them.

Yeah decades from now after a right wing Supreme Court has done untold damage to everything. Ginsberg should have retired under Obama

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:43 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:According to this article, US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, popularly known RBG, has been hospitalized again, with chills and high fever. I dont wish her anything bad, and I hope she gets well. But if the worse happens, President Trump will appoint a replacement US Supreme Court Justice, increasing the conservative majority from 4 to 5 to 3 to 6, giving the conservatives a majority of 2 or 3 votes, if the Justices vote on any issues along political party lines. depending on how you count it, but stll a majority of 3 votes over the liberal Democrat leftists.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Hospitalized with Fever
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... and-fever/
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was hospitalized on Friday evening after coming down with the chills and a fever, the high court announced Saturday.

“Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was admitted to Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland, last night after experiencing chills and fever earlier in the day. She was initially evaluated at Sibley Memorial Hospital in Washington, D.C. before being transferred to Johns Hopkins Hospital for further evaluation and treatment of any possible infection,” Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathleen Arberg said in a statement. “With intravenous antibiotics and fluids, her symptoms have abated and she expects to be released from the hospital as early as Sunday morning.”

Earlier November, a stomach bug forced the 86-year-old to miss arguments. She returned for a public meeting on November 18th.

Ginsburg — often referred to as the “notorious RBG” in liberal circles — has experienced several health issues in recent years. The justice broke three of her ribs in a fall last November and underwent surgery for cancer on her lung in December 2018. She received radiation treatment for pancreatic cancer in August.

Ginsburg also survived colorectal cancer in 1999 and pancreatic cancer in 2009.
Despite ongoing speculation of her retirement, the justice signaled in August that she has no plans to step down from the bench.

She was appointed by then-President Jimmy Carter to the U.S. Court of Appeals in 1980 and appointed to the Supreme Court by then-President Clinton in 1993.

Lets all wish RBG well.


I have no desire to see RGB die (I would rather she would retire), but I would like to see the SCOTUS with a strong conservative majority.


Because how dare people who believe in things like reproductive rights and equal treatment for minority groups expect representation on the court.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:22 am

Vassenor wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I have no desire to see RGB die (I would rather she would retire), but I would like to see the SCOTUS with a strong conservative majority.


Because how dare people who believe in things like reproductive rights and equal treatment for minority groups expect representation on the court.


Overturning Roe would hurt the Republicans massively as a overwhelming majority support the basic tenets of the case

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:37 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Nice try Vassenor, my point is that it can happen under any Presidents Republicans and Democrats, lets not deny it.


Especially if the republicans set a precedent. This can (and likely will) come back and bite them in the ass in the future. Just like the republicans using the dem created nuclear option against them.


Oh my god; we agree on something. :shock:

The stage is set for only ideologues. I think I called the CJ that and yet I was proven wrong. He is simply a conservative. Such things though annoying are acceptable.

This will not improve until Mitch and his crew are gone as Mitch has declared a life ambition of setting the court to his liking.

He said Scalia's seat is a conservative and has to be conservative. It's a suckers bet to believe he will say RBG's seat is liberal and has to be liberal.

More fighting in the future.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:39 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Especially if the republicans set a precedent. This can (and likely will) come back and bite them in the ass in the future. Just like the republicans using the dem created nuclear option against them.


Oh my god; we agree on something. :shock:

The stage is set for only ideologues. I think I called the CJ that and yet I was proven wrong. He is simply a conservative. Such things though annoying are acceptable.

This will not improve until Mitch and his crew are gone as Mitch has declared a life ambition of setting the court to his liking.

He said Scalia's seat is a conservative and has to be conservative. It's a suckers bet to believe he will say RBG's seat is liberal and has to be liberal.

More fighting in the future.

The Russians are winning in their efforts to divide.


I wish Ginsberg had retired under Obama. I am tired of having heart palpitations every time she so much as coughs

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Postby Crockerland » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:50 am

Vassenor wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
I have no desire to see RGB die (I would rather she would retire), but I would like to see the SCOTUS with a strong conservative majority.


Because how dare people who believe in things like reproductive rights and equal treatment for minority groups expect representation on the court.

Both of president Trump's two wonderful & qualified nominees, Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch, have stated that people have a constitutional right to be treated equally regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation.
https://www.facebook.com/newshour/videos/sen-cory-booker-asks-brett-kavanaugh-his-opinion-on-gay-marriage-and-lgbt-rights/323564731732131/
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/21/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court-has-said-same-sex-marriage-is-protected-by-the-constitution.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/neil-gorsuch-explains-originalism-dianne-feinstein-citing-14th-amendment/


As for reproductive freedoms, I don't know of anyone on the court or any likely nominee who opposes those. If you mean killing unborn babies, that takes place a significant amount of time after the reproduction is complete, and I would hope anybody supports that who would be on the Supreme Court would acknowledge that the Constitution makes no mention whatsoever of abortion, that it's an issue of legislation, and that laws outlawing abortion* are very obviously constitutional.

*Aside from in the case of ectopic pregnancies, which will kill the mother, thus abridging her fifth amendment right to life without due process.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:06 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh my god; we agree on something. :shock:

The stage is set for only ideologues. I think I called the CJ that and yet I was proven wrong. He is simply a conservative. Such things though annoying are acceptable.

This will not improve until Mitch and his crew are gone as Mitch has declared a life ambition of setting the court to his liking.

He said Scalia's seat is a conservative and has to be conservative. It's a suckers bet to believe he will say RBG's seat is liberal and has to be liberal.

More fighting in the future.

The Russians are winning in their efforts to divide.


I wish Ginsberg had retired under Obama. I am tired of having heart palpitations every time she so much as coughs

If she'd retired under Obama then Trump would have filled her vacancy.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:10 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I wish Ginsberg had retired under Obama. I am tired of having heart palpitations every time she so much as coughs

If she'd retired under Obama then Trump would have filled her vacancy.


Depends when. It wasn't exactly ideal in his first term, considering the collapsing global economy.

The only good time to do it would have been 2013.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Especially if the republicans set a precedent. This can (and likely will) come back and bite them in the ass in the future. Just like the republicans using the dem created nuclear option against them.

Yeah decades from now after a right wing Supreme Court has done untold damage to everything. Ginsberg should have retired under Obama


The only thing right wing courts damage is your agenda.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah decades from now after a right wing Supreme Court has done untold damage to everything. Ginsberg should have retired under Obama


The only thing right wing courts damage is your agenda.


[citation needed]

Unless you want to explain how civil and reproductive rights erosion isn't damaging.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:17 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The only thing right wing courts damage is your agenda.


[citation needed]

Unless you want to explain how civil and reproductive rights erosion isn't damaging.

He has gun parts instead of girl parts so erosion of reproductive rights doesn't bother him as long as the Republicans uphold gun rights.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:38 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The only thing right wing courts damage is your agenda.


[citation needed]

Unless you want to explain how civil and reproductive rights erosion isn't damaging.

Reproductive rights are a misnomer.
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Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

Unless you want to explain how civil and reproductive rights erosion isn't damaging.

He has gun parts instead of girl parts so erosion of reproductive rights doesn't bother him as long as the Republicans uphold gun rights.

If only this could explain why women are almost evenly split in their views of abortion...
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
[citation needed]

Unless you want to explain how civil and reproductive rights erosion isn't damaging.

Reproductive rights are a misnomer.
Gormwood wrote:He has gun parts instead of girl parts so erosion of reproductive rights doesn't bother him as long as the Republicans uphold gun rights.

If only this could explain why women are almost evenly split in their views of abortion...


Women shouldn't have the right to control their bodies?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:If only this could explain why women are almost evenly split in their views of abortion...


That's just not true. Why do you lie?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abo ... ender.aspx
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:55 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Reproductive rights are a misnomer.

If only this could explain why women are almost evenly split in their views of abortion...


Women shouldn't have the right to control their bodies?

When said control entails the death of unborn children, yes.
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Northern Davincia wrote:If only this could explain why women are almost evenly split in their views of abortion...


That's just not true. Why do you lie?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abo ... ender.aspx

You've demonstrated that half of women are in favor of restrictions on abortions (this is what I would consider a neutral opinion), while those completely against it and those completely in favor of it are split at 24%.
It is nice that the number of women completely in favor of abortion has fallen in recent times, however.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:57 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:You've demonstrated that half of women are in favor of restrictions on abortions (this is what I would consider a neutral opinion), while those completely against it and those completely in favor of it are split at 24%.
It is nice that the number of women completely in favor of abortion has fallen in recent times, however.


Being in favour of a term limit is not the same as being anti abortion. What you should be worried about are the 25% of women who think it should be legal up to labour....
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