MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Trump admits to doing the very fucking thing he's getting impeached for.

He digs the grave of his presidency deeper everyday.

[Telconi]

Trump admits to doing the very fucking thing he's getting impeached for.

B-But what about all of that corruption, surely you d-don't want to send money to a c-country with so much corruption.

[Farnhamia]

Trump admits to doing the very fucking thing he's getting impeached for.

This is being discussed in the "All Things Impeachment" thread, where it belongs.

[Nakena]

He digs the grave of his presidency deeper everyday.

I would not be so sure. The GOP controlled Senate has announced its own investigation into Joe Biden and as it has recently been surfaced someone in the FBI may have manipulated documents in 2016 in relation to the "russia probe".

[Farnhamia]

He digs the grave of his presidency deeper everyday.

I would not be so sure. The GOP controlled Senate has announced its own investigation into Joe Biden and as it has recently been surfaced someone in the FBI may have manipulated documents in 2016 in relation to the "russia probe".

CNN had some coverage on the IG report in the middle of Wolf Blitzer's show yesterday about an FBI lawyer potentially having altered documents in regards to Carter Page. CNN has admitted to firing most of their investigative staff and they are little better than a wire service at this point, so I think it can be safely assumed to be a .gov leak. Taken with a hefty dose of salt, that IG report will make for good drama near the season finale of Trump series 3.

You're right about the FBI, but it was a document, not documents. The conduct of this FBI Lawyer didn’t alter the report's findings that the surveillance application of Page had a proper legal and factual basis and this person was ousted. Both sides, especially the GOP and Trump will cherry pick the report no doubt and be over joyed drama queens looking to make it exciting, but I think you're going to be somewhat disappointed that it's not going to have the bombshells that'll undermine the Russian Investigation, especially when Inspector General Michael Horowitz is expected to testify on the 11th I believe to confirm and clarify the report.

Basically what I'm saying is like Democrats whom are going to be disappointed in failing to impeach Trump, Republicans are going to be disappointed too with the FISA Report.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/22/trump-says-he-might-veto-legislation-that-aims-protect-human-rights-hong-kong-because-bill-would-impact-china-trade-talks/

What the fuck is he doing

[Nakena]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/22/trump-says-he-might-veto-legislation-that-aims-protect-human-rights-hong-kong-because-bill-would-impact-china-trade-talks/

What the fuck is he doing

I thought you were in favor of dear leader Xi and Canada becoming a chicom dominion.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/22/trump-says-he-might-veto-legislation-that-aims-protect-human-rights-hong-kong-because-bill-would-impact-china-trade-talks/

What the fuck is he doing

I thought you were in favor of dear leader Xi and Canada becoming a chicom dominion.

Straw maning. I have allways made my support clear for a free hong kong.

[Zurkerx]

I would not be so sure. The GOP controlled Senate has announced its own investigation into Joe Biden and as it has recently been surfaced someone in the FBI may have manipulated documents in 2016 in relation to the "russia probe".

You're right about the FBI, but it was a document, not documents. The conduct of this FBI Lawyer didn’t alter the report's findings that the surveillance application of Page had a proper legal and factual basis and this person was ousted. Both sides, especially the GOP and Trump will cherry pick the report no doubt and be over joyed drama queens looking to make it exciting, but I think you're going to be somewhat disappointed that it's not going to have the bombshells that'll undermine the Russian Investigation, especially when Inspector General Michael Horowitz is expected to testify on the 11th I believe to confirm and clarify the report.

Basically what I'm saying is like Democrats whom are going to be disappointed in failing to impeach Trump, Republicans are going to be disappointed too with the FISA Report.

I would like to add to this (and my apologies for posting in that thread about that: it came up). So, it wasn't a document that was altered (as I posted a few links a few posts back) but rather an email was changed and then inserted without it being vetted. So essentially, they did the correct procedures in terms of gathering evidence and presenting it in the legal fashion but failed to check and verify if the information was true. The whole investigation wasn't ran properly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/22/trump-says-he-might-veto-legislation-that-aims-protect-human-rights-hong-kong-because-bill-would-impact-china-trade-talks/

What the fuck is he doing

Trying to get a Chinese Trade Deal: the short term benefits are what politicians do anyway these days.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I thought you were in favor of dear leader Xi and Canada becoming a chicom dominion.

Straw maning. I have allways made my support clear for a free hong kong.

Hong Kong will cease to be free in a few decades and nothing short of a war will change that. Trump is, tbh, making the right call by trying to focus on trade instead.

[Senkaku]

Straw maning. I have allways made my support clear for a free hong kong.

Hong Kong will cease to be free in a few decades and nothing short of a war will change that. Trump is, tbh, making the right call by trying to focus on trade instead.

Cute that you think the PRC will ever give us what we want on trade. But I guess any excuse to stick the knife into our democratic values, right?

Just because Hong Kong is doomed doesn't mean we shouldn't still speak up. Speaking up for people seeking freedom in dictatorships has traditionally been one of our better routines.

[Nakena]

Speaking up for people seeking freedom in dictatorships has traditionally been one of our better routines.

How little that does and why the threat is a bigger one I wrote here.

Speaking up wont cutting it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hong Kong will cease to be free in a few decades and nothing short of a war will change that. Trump is, tbh, making the right call by trying to focus on trade instead.

Cute that you think the PRC will ever give us what we want on trade. But I guess any excuse to stick the knife into our democratic values, right?

I personally don't think the PRC will ever be an ideal trade partner but from Trumps position it's the right call to at least try, more stock market troubles from continuing the trade war is not something anyone in the GOP should want going into 2020.

Tbh unless you're on board with wiping the PRC from the face of the earth those democratic values are little more than a way for us to pat ourselves on the back and feel good about it. It won't change anything in Hong Kong and down the line they will still become part of the PRC and lose all those rights.

[Gormwood]

So what happened to all the trash talk of the tariffs and trade war pwning China?

[Nakena]

Cute that you think the PRC will ever give us what we want on trade. But I guess any excuse to stick the knife into our democratic values, right?

I personally don't think the PRC will ever be an ideal trade partner but from Trumps position it's the right call to at least try, more stock market troubles from continuing the trade war is not something anyone in the GOP should want going into 2020.

Tbh unless you're on board with wiping the PRC from the face of the earth those democratic values are little more than a way for us to pat ourselves on the back and feel good about it. It won't change anything in Hong Kong and down the line they will still become part of the PRC and lose all those rights.

Thats preferable but not horribly likely unless you're, and I think you are, here advocating a preemptive strike (and war) as long as the US are still able to do so, while getting away (as in survive without) with it.

I believe however that the PRC is not going to last forever and suffers from inherent instabilities already as we speak. An economic crisis or two could weaken the Beijing clique. That does not mean that there shouldn be a containment policy against the PRC for the time being.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So what happened to all the trash talk of the tariffs and trade war pwning China?

It has been hurting China, but their system is inherently superior to our own in this matter and state control over their economy and a unified government makes it far easier to them to roll with it and keep up the trade war on their end.

I personally don't think the PRC will ever be an ideal trade partner but from Trumps position it's the right call to at least try, more stock market troubles from continuing the trade war is not something anyone in the GOP should want going into 2020.

Tbh unless you're on board with wiping the PRC from the face of the earth those democratic values are little more than a way for us to pat ourselves on the back and feel good about it. It won't change anything in Hong Kong and down the line they will still become part of the PRC and lose all those rights.

Thats preferable but not horribly likely unless you're, and I think you are, here advocating a preemptive strike (and war) as long as the US are still able to do so, while getting away (as in survive without) with it.

I believe however that the PRC is not going to last forever and suffers from inherent instabilities already as we speak. An economic crisis or two could weaken the Beijing clique. That does not mean that there shouldn be a containment policy against the PRC for the time being.

I think the PRC is here to stay tbh. The international community is too spineless to actually try and do anything to them and they have more than enough internal power to keep people down and the CPC on top.

[Nakena]

I think the PRC is here to stay tbh. The international community is too spineless to actually try and do anything to them and they have more than enough internal power to keep people down and the CPC on top.

The PRC will not fall because of the international community doing something but due internal reasons. They are already in an critical phase of their "dynastic" cycle right now, and they're afraid things going bad. Which is the reason why they are resorting to aggressive measures. Would the CCP leadership be more confident, then they wouldn do that. But they are in fear and paranoia, that things could get out of control.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Straw maning. I have allways made my support clear for a free hong kong.

Hong Kong will cease to be free in a few decades and nothing short of a war will change that. Trump is, tbh, making the right call by trying to focus on trade instead.

Freedom over trade deals. Allways.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think the PRC is here to stay tbh. The international community is too spineless to actually try and do anything to them and they have more than enough internal power to keep people down and the CPC on top.

The PRC will not fall because of the international community doing something but due internal reasons. They are already in an critical phase of their "dynastic" cycle right now, and they're afraid things going bad. Which is the reason why they are resorting to aggressive measures. Would the CCP leadership be more confident, then they wouldn do that. But they are in fear and paranoia, that things could get out of control.

The most that'll happen is another Tiananmen and they'll stick around, imo.

Hong Kong will cease to be free in a few decades and nothing short of a war will change that. Trump is, tbh, making the right call by trying to focus on trade instead.

Freedom over trade deals. Allways.

We'll see how much that freedom matters when the PLA crushes it under tank tread and we just sit back and watch : ^ )

[Nakena]

The most that'll happen is another Tiananmen and they'll stick around, imo.

Dangers for the CCP come not so much from "democracy" loving students or so but generalized social unrest or general hysteria that can be easily caused by shifts and economic troubles and other factors. The biggest danger to the CCP rule are certain volatilities of the chinese "Volkscharacter" that can break through occassionally in orgies of destruction, chaos and mass hysteria. They are well aware of that. Tiananmen might have led to that if it hadn be contained early on. Things could go very ugly then.

Neko-Koku was, for his many odd takes, right on this one.

We'll see how much that freedom matters when the PLA crushes it under tank tread and we just sit back and watch : ^ )

In HK they're trying to slide the protests out for now. No Tanks. Yet.

[The Rich Port]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1XW2A2

Looks like Donald Trump is going to have to replace the entire senior administration of the Navy, because they don't want this Navy SEAL back, Richard Spencer included.

Makes you wonder just how atrocious the guy's behavior was that Trump figured he was a good guy. My guess is, simply posing with a teenaged ISIS fighter's corpse isn't even the worst of it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-g ... ng-2019-11

Also... Yeah. Because a fucking active duty soldier wearing his uniform to a formal hearing is suspicious.

Methinks the GOP and Trump only respect veterans and the military only when they're bootlicking ass kissers.

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-seals-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-navy-secretary-backs-seals-expulsion-review-despite-trump-objection-idUSKBN1XW2A2

Looks like Donald Trump is going to have to replace the entire senior administration of the Navy, because they don't want this Navy SEAL back, Richard Spencer included.

Makes you wonder just how atrocious the guy's behavior was that Trump figured he was a good guy. My guess is, simply posing with a teenaged ISIS fighter's corpse isn't even the worst of it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-g ... ng-2019-11

Also... Yeah. Because a fucking active duty soldier wearing his uniform to a formal hearing is suspicious.

Methinks the GOP and Trump only respect veterans and the military only when they're bootlicking ass kissers.

The SEAL did a lot of shit they couldn't prove in a court martial but know he did. Sniping a teenage girl picking flowers, firing machine guns into villages with no specific target, stabbing the boy he had his photo taken with to death....things like that.

[Vassenor]

Methinks the GOP and Trump only respect veterans and the military only when they're bootlicking ass kissers.

You're only just learning this now?

[Gormwood]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-seals-exclusive/exclusive-u-s-navy-secretary-backs-seals-expulsion-review-despite-trump-objection-idUSKBN1XW2A2

Looks like Donald Trump is going to have to replace the entire senior administration of the Navy, because they don't want this Navy SEAL back, Richard Spencer included.

Makes you wonder just how atrocious the guy's behavior was that Trump figured he was a good guy. My guess is, simply posing with a teenaged ISIS fighter's corpse isn't even the worst of it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-g ... ng-2019-11

Also... Yeah. Because a fucking active duty soldier wearing his uniform to a formal hearing is suspicious.

Methinks the GOP and Trump only respect veterans and the military only when they're bootlicking ass kissers.

Now imagine how the Republicans would have responded if Bill Clinton wanted to purge any part of the miliary.

[Gormwood]

Methinks the GOP and Trump only respect veterans and the military only when they're bootlicking ass kissers.

You're only just learning this now?

Why do I get the feeling the asslickers he fills the purge with will all be Neidermeyer-grade stupid fucks that'll get a lot of service personnel killed?