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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
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27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Shrillland » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Once that child becomes an adult, they can spread that same ignorance to others either as teachers or as parents, which leads to a less educated society as a whole. If we want to be a strong nation, we can't allow students to say that things that have been proven false such as creationism are, in fact, true. Not in public schools, anyway, private schools can do as they will.


That's an awfully broad definition of the concept of "Harm" don't you think?


Well, actively promoting ignorance in the name of religious faith is harmful, both to the individual and to society as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with people of faith nor do I consider religion to be a form of child abuse. I do, however, have a problem with public schools, which are specifically forbidden from spreading the falsehoods of any religion, being required to accept those falsehoods as objective proven facts just because a student's parents or pastor says so.
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Postby Durachistan » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:03 pm

I think we should protest.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Is a child being harmed not enough on its own?


Harmed according to you, not even close.

Harmed according to you.
Telconi wrote:And who's harmed by the child's ignorance, other than the child that is?
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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:07 pm

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Aclion wrote:LMAO

Holder protected Obama from Congressional investigations and called them a conspiracy to overthrow him?

Yes. And unlike the current one it was a serious matter; smuggling arms to drug cartels.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:10 pm

Aclion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Holder protected Obama from Congressional investigations and called them a conspiracy to overthrow him?

Yes. And unlike the current one it was a serious matter; smuggling arms to drug cartels.

So all of a sudden Obama directed the entire operation from the beginning. And you bring it up to dismiss and downplay foreign extortion as no big deal. Cute.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:10 pm

Aclion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Holder protected Obama from Congressional investigations and called them a conspiracy to overthrow him?

Yes. And unlike the current one it was a serious matter; smuggling arms to drug cartels.


Smuggling arms to the drug cartels?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:10 pm

Oh good, defend Obama, that's certainly relevant.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Aclion wrote:Yes. And unlike the current one it was a serious matter; smuggling arms to drug cartels.


Smuggling arms to the drug cartels?

Blaming Obama for Fast and Furious.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:37 pm

Ifreann wrote:Oh good, defend Obama, that's certainly relevant.

If you act like the AG defending the president is somehow unusual when it literally happened in the last president(with behavior that was much less defensible to boot) then yeah it's relevant. It shows you either don't know whats going on or that you're deliberately misleading people.

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Smuggling arms to the drug cartels?

Blaming Obama for Fast and Furious.

Actually no. In this context it doesn't matter whether Obama was responsible for Fast and Furious or not. What matters is that his AG lied to congress to protect evidence of wrongdoing by the Obama administration, so clearly the AG acting in the interest of the president isn't unprecedented.

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Aclion wrote:Yes. And unlike the current one it was a serious matter; smuggling arms to drug cartels.


Smuggling arms to the drug cartels?

TL;DR Obama makes statement that we need gun registration because Mexican cartels are getting guns from the US, later a US border patrol agent gets killed and it turns out the gun he was kill with came from the US, then it's discovered that this gun got to the cartels as part of a programs the DoJ was running, where they would subvert the background check system to allow sales to arms smugglers in the hopes the guns would be used in crimes in Mexico and then traced back to the US. Eric Holder lies to congress about the nonexistence of documentation about the president's knowledge of the program and when this is revealed the president protects him using executive privilege.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:10 am

An interesting aside which ties Trump to the ATF gunwalking thing / Fast & Furious, which started when the Obama justice department and AG Holder fought with the Republican-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The Trump justice department is still fighting the Democrat-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in order to withhold the documents Obama originally claimed executive privilege over.

They neared a settlement earlier this year.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:16 am

Gravlen wrote:An interesting aside which ties Trump to the ATF gunwalking thing / Fast & Furious, which started when the Obama justice department and AG Holder fought with the Republican-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The Trump justice department is still fighting the Democrat-controlled House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in order to withhold the documents Obama originally claimed executive privilege over.

They neared a settlement earlier this year.

Rather curious given how you'd think Trump would jump at the slightest pretense to expose supposed Obama dirt.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:43 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:his approval rateing is still shit


Indeed though just because some disapprove of him doesn't mean they won't vote for him (hopefully I worded that right). Among registered/likely voters, his approval is 42.2% while his disapproval is 54.2%. Likely, his ceiling is 46.2%, the same what he got in 2016.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:18 am

Possible pay-to-play scheme for ambassador role in Trump administration uncovered by CBS News

...Wasn't "pay to play" one of the big crimes Clinton allegedly committed?
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:28 am

Vassenor wrote:Possible pay-to-play scheme for ambassador role in Trump administration uncovered by CBS News

...Wasn't "pay to play" one of the big crimes Clinton allegedly committed?


Well, this might be going up to Congress pretty soon...and then we'll have to move it over to the impeachment thread.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:36 am

Shrillland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Possible pay-to-play scheme for ambassador role in Trump administration uncovered by CBS News

...Wasn't "pay to play" one of the big crimes Clinton allegedly committed?


Well, this might be going up to Congress pretty soon...and then we'll have to move it over to the impeachment thread.


Well, this particular incident wouldn't involve impeachment anyway I would think. Maybe it's own separate investigation will happen but I don't see it becoming tied to impeachment involving the Ukraine. Of course, this doesn't bold well for Trump or the RNC but this "pay to play" happens constantly in all administrations and needs to be cracked down on.

Edit: Look at that, The RNC cut ties off with billionaire Doug Manchester, saying efforts 'to link future contributions to an official action' were 'inappropriate'. Yeah, this just reinforces the pay to play.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:30 am

Tombradyonia wrote:This is what happens when you elect Republicans... they create safe spaces for religious 'views'.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-hou ... o-religion

The Ohio House on Wednesday passed the "Student Religious Liberties Act." Under the law, students can't be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs.


The right wing snowflakes can't handle science because science keeps proving religion to be wrong?

I decided to look over the actual law document, and from what I saw...it does not actually say that.
Assignment grades and scores shall be calculated using ordinary academic standards of substance and relevance,including any legitimate pedagogical concerns, and shall not penalize or reward a student based on the religious content of a student's work.
is I believe the key passage that is being used to support your claim. The main question is whether the first part, namely the part about ordinary academic standards prevents the use of religion in say the science classroom. What this does permit is the use of religion in say an essay or the like for an English class.

Zurkerx wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Well, this might be going up to Congress pretty soon...and then we'll have to move it over to the impeachment thread.


Well, this particular incident wouldn't involve impeachment anyway I would think. Maybe it's own separate investigation will happen but I don't see it becoming tied to impeachment involving the Ukraine. Of course, this doesn't bold well for Trump or the RNC but this "pay to play" happens constantly in all administrations and needs to be cracked down on.

Edit: Look at that, The RNC cut ties off with billionaire Doug Manchester, saying efforts 'to link future contributions to an official action' were 'inappropriate'. Yeah, this just reinforces the pay to play.

Well at least they are showing some limit.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:17 am

Vassenor wrote:Possible pay-to-play scheme for ambassador role in Trump administration uncovered by CBS News

...Wasn't "pay to play" one of the big crimes Clinton allegedly committed?

It's possible for multiple people to be guilty of the same thing.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:22 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Possible pay-to-play scheme for ambassador role in Trump administration uncovered by CBS News

...Wasn't "pay to play" one of the big crimes Clinton allegedly committed?

It's possible for multiple people to be guilty of the same thing.

Well, that clears up the thing no one was confused about.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:22 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Possible pay-to-play scheme for ambassador role in Trump administration uncovered by CBS News

...Wasn't "pay to play" one of the big crimes Clinton allegedly committed?

It's possible for multiple people to be guilty of the same thing.


Way to miss my point entirely.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:24 am

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's possible for multiple people to be guilty of the same thing.


Way to miss my point entirely.

He was dodging it like Keanu Reeves, actually.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:31 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Well, this particular incident wouldn't involve impeachment anyway I would think. Maybe it's own separate investigation will happen but I don't see it becoming tied to impeachment involving the Ukraine. Of course, this doesn't bold well for Trump or the RNC but this "pay to play" happens constantly in all administrations and needs to be cracked down on.

Edit: Look at that, The RNC cut ties off with billionaire Doug Manchester, saying efforts 'to link future contributions to an official action' were 'inappropriate'. Yeah, this just reinforces the pay to play.

Well at least they are showing some limit.


At the bare minimum at best. Got to cut ties off to minimize the damage.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:49 am

Also breaking: House investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller.

Should be no surprise: his answer to these questions were terrible though they won't get him for perjury since he didn't answer them under oath. Still, it's probably going to damage is already terrible credibility.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:55 am

Vassenor wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:It's possible for multiple people to be guilty of the same thing.


Way to miss my point entirely.

What was your point then? If Trump did something bad, Clinton did not?
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:56 am

Zurkerx wrote:Also breaking: House investigating whether Trump lied to Mueller.

Should be no surprise: his answer to these questions were terrible though they won't get him for perjury since he didn't answer them under oath. Still, it's probably going to damage is already terrible credibility.

But If He Did Nothing Wrong He Should Have Nothing To Hide!
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