MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Gormwood]

"If I get the company Hunter is a board member on investigated then they won't investigate Hunter."

You missed out on a career in law enforcement.

Stop gaslighting. You are reversing the story. Or parroting a distorted version someone told you.

Did you hear the story from Alex Jones?

[Fartsniffage]

The whole Western world wanted the guy fired. Because he wasn't investigating corruption in Ukraine. Biden was relaying a message from Obama that was fully supported by the EU. Those are the facts.

So Biden called to tell them to fire the investigator who was not investigating his son's company for corruption, so that his son wouldn't get the millions of dollars he got because the investigation immediately died and nothing was uncovered. Very...likely... story. How are you not seeing the corruption in this? Or at least the conflict of interest?

He didn't call. He was sent to Ukraine to deliver a message from Obama personally to outline how seriously the US and Europe were taking the situation.

[Zurkerx]

Soliciting a foreign government to get dirt on a political opponent is illegal: The FEC says so:

§ 30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition. It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing
of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a
contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or
local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the
meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a
foreign national.
(b) As used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section
611(b) of title 22,²⁴ except that the term “foreign national” shall not
include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a
national of the United States (as defined in section 101(a)(22) of the
Immigration and Nationality Act) and who is not lawfully admitted for
permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.²⁵

Foot notes:

24: 22 U.S.C. § 611(b) provides:
“(b) The term “foreign principal” includes—
(1) a government of a foreign country and a foreign political party;
(2) a person outside of the United States, unless it is established that such person is an individual and
a citizen of and domiciled within the United States, or that such person is not an individual and is
organized under or created by the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the
jurisdiction of the United States and has its principal place of business within the United States; and
(3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized
under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country.”

25: 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(20) provides: “(20) The term lawfully admitted for permanent residence means the
status of having been lawfully accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States as an
immigrant in accordance with the immigration laws, such status not having changed.”

So you can't investigate corruption if you might benefit politically. Got it.

Edit: Also, Biden is clearly in violation of this law. This is literally what he did. He asked a Ukraine official to halt the investigation of the company his son was working at and directly profited from it. How is that not corrupt? How does that not warrant investigation?

It's illegal to ask a foreign government to investigate as such. One is more than welcome to violate the statue but then that would mean one goes to jail.

And no, that is completely inaccurate, especially since the investigation into Burisma was dormant for over a year before his firing. Even the likes of the the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD wanted the Ukraine Prosecutor removed for his ineptness of tackling corruption. Those are the facts.

[Vassenor]

Soliciting a foreign government to get dirt on a political opponent is illegal: The FEC says so:

§ 30121. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition. It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make—
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing
of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a
contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or
local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the
meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a
foreign national.
(b) As used in this section, the term “foreign national” means—
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section
611(b) of title 22,²⁴ except that the term “foreign national” shall not
include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a
national of the United States (as defined in section 101(a)(22) of the
Immigration and Nationality Act) and who is not lawfully admitted for
permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.²⁵

Foot notes:

24: 22 U.S.C. § 611(b) provides:
“(b) The term “foreign principal” includes—
(1) a government of a foreign country and a foreign political party;
(2) a person outside of the United States, unless it is established that such person is an individual and
a citizen of and domiciled within the United States, or that such person is not an individual and is
organized under or created by the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the
jurisdiction of the United States and has its principal place of business within the United States; and
(3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized
under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country.”

25: 8 U.S.C. § 1101(a)(20) provides: “(20) The term lawfully admitted for permanent residence means the
status of having been lawfully accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States as an
immigrant in accordance with the immigration laws, such status not having changed.”

So you can't investigate corruption if you might benefit politically. Got it.

Edit: Also, Biden is clearly in violation of this law. This is literally what he did. He asked a Ukraine official to halt the investigation of the company his son was working at and directly profited from it. How is that not corrupt? How does that not warrant investigation?

I mean we've already established that's not what happened, but keep going with your fantasy.

[Gormwood]

So you can't investigate corruption if you might benefit politically. Got it.

Edit: Also, Biden is clearly in violation of this law. This is literally what he did. He asked a Ukraine official to halt the investigation of the company his son was working at and directly profited from it. How is that not corrupt? How does that not warrant investigation?

It's illegal to ask a foreign government to investigate as such. One is more than welcome to violate the statue but then that would mean one goes to jail.

And no, that is completely inaccurate, especially since the investigation into Burisma was dormant for over a year before his firing. Even the likes of the the IMF, the EU, and the EBRD wanted the Ukraine Prosecutor removed for his ineptness of not tackling corruption. Those are the facts.

Stop gaslighting him!

[Spirit of Hope]

The whole Western world wanted the guy fired. Because he wasn't investigating corruption in Ukraine. Biden was relaying a message from Obama that was fully supported by the EU. Those are the facts.

So Biden called to tell them to fire the investigator who was not investigating his son's company for corruption, so that his son wouldn't get the millions of dollars he got because the investigation immediately died and nothing was uncovered. Very...likely... story. How are you not seeing the corruption in this? Or at least the conflict of interest?

Well I'll agree there was a conflict of interest, but nothing illegal. But lets be clear, the US was pushing for a non corrupt prosecutor in the Ukraine. The prosecutor at the time was corrupt, as noted previously basically everyone agrees on this including the current Ukrainian prosecutor. Vice President Biden was just one avenue through which the US pushed for the removal of a corrupt prosecutor, other avenues included the US Ambassador to Ukraine, who incidentally we know from leaked documents wasn't investigating Burisma, but his successor did investigate Burisma and found no wrongdoing. Hunter Biden wasn't even included in the scope of the inquiry.

[Greater Miami Shores]

So you can't investigate corruption if you might benefit politically. Got it.

Edit: Also, Biden is clearly in violation of this law. This is literally what he did. He asked a Ukraine official to halt the investigation of the company his son was working at and directly profited from it. How is that not corrupt? How does that not warrant investigation?

I mean we've already established that's not what happened, but keep going with your fantasy.

Your facts again Gormwood or your opinions?

[Spirit of Hope]

I mean we've already established that's not what happened, but keep going with your fantasy.

Your facts again Gormwood or your opinions.

I mean the facts are well established, most of the western world wanted the Ukrainian prosecutor removed, accusing him of corruption. At the time his investigation into Burisma was stopped. As Vice President, Biden delivered a message with the full support of the Obama administration to the Ukrainian government to have the prosecutor removed or not get aid. The new prosecutor finished the investigation into Burisma, and found no wrongdoing. Finnaly the US Justice Department hasn't opened an investigation into Joe Biden for corruption.

[Vassenor]

I mean we've already established that's not what happened, but keep going with your fantasy.

Your facts again Gormwood or your opinions?

Given that you write off any facts that are inconvenient to your narrative of a Democrat-lead witch hunt as just being opinions?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Based and redpilled

Don’t make me put on my clown wig. I have to wash it.

lol nice comment I don't mean anything in a bad way. This is Political War declared on President Trump and the Republicans for Political reasons by the Democrats. Many here keep denying and I am not surprised. For which we are going through and we will go through the 3 4 5 and 6 NS World Wars on the Maga Threads I have Posted about.

Perhaps I will find the link and edited on this Post as a Link.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Your facts again Gormwood or your opinions?

Given that you write off any facts that are inconvenient to your narrative of a Democrat-lead witch hunt as just being opinions?

Bad try again Vassenor, it was either you or Gormwood who posted to me, the difference is we have the facts on our side. I cant remember if it was you or Gormwood. Anyway most of your posts to me Vassenor sound like you are right and I am wrong all the time based on your facts not your opinions. Note I did not say are, I said sound like.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Don’t make me put on my clown wig. I have to wash it.

lol nice comment I don't mean anything in a bad way. This is Political War declared on President Trump and the Republicans for Political reasons by the Democrats. Many here keep denying and I am not surprised. For which we are going through and we will go through the 3 4 5 and 6 NS World Wars on the Maga Threads I have Posted about.

Perhaps I will find the link and edited on this Post as a Link.

Don’t get me wrong. I think both the Republican and the Democrat leaderships are full of shit currently.

[Bear Stearns]

I'd give Trump the death penalty if it meant fully blowing the lid off of the Epstein scandal. America's elites deserve to get 1792'd.

[Proctopeo]

lol nice comment I don't mean anything in a bad way. This is Political War declared on President Trump and the Republicans for Political reasons by the Democrats. Many here keep denying and I am not surprised. For which we are going through and we will go through the 3 4 5 and 6 NS World Wars on the Maga Threads I have Posted about.

Perhaps I will find the link and edited on this Post as a Link.

Don’t get me wrong. I think both the Republican and the Democrat leaderships are full of shit currently.

The Democrats don't really have leadership currently.

[Vassenor]

Don’t make me put on my clown wig. I have to wash it.

lol nice comment I don't mean anything in a bad way. This is Political War declared on President Trump and the Republicans for Political reasons by the Democrats. Many here keep denying and I am not surprised. For which we are going through and we will go through the 3 4 5 and 6 NS World Wars on the Maga Threads I have Posted about.

Perhaps I will find the link and edited on this Post as a Link.

Nice to see you think a possible rapist being asked questions is equally bad to nuclear holocaust.

[Greater Miami Shores]

lol nice comment I don't mean anything in a bad way. This is Political War declared on President Trump and the Republicans for Political reasons by the Democrats. Many here keep denying and I am not surprised. For which we are going through and we will go through the 3 4 5 and 6 NS World Wars on the Maga Threads I have Posted about.

Perhaps I will find the link and edited on this Post as a Link.

Nice to see you think a possible rapist being asked questions is equally bad to nuclear holocaust.

Again Vassenor you have no facts just your opinions, as you state possible. In America The United States of America - The USA, we are all innocent until proven guilty in a US Court of law. Not on a Political Tria, in this particular case against President Trump by the Democrat saints, you strongly support against President Trump. I am not surprised by your strong loyal support for the Democrats against President Donald J Trump of The United States of America - The USA. Granted their is nothing wrong with that.

Just as their is nothing wrong with my strong loyal support for the Republicans and President Donald J Trump of The United States of America - The USA.

I used to work with a Vietnamese Lady and Her Favorite Saying is what I love most about America is the Freedoms and that in America we are all Americans. I think I posted it on one of my main nations sigs. I will recheck to see if I did.

But you and others here have made fun of my support for President Trump with your posts to me and to other nations on NS, as yours posts prove. I don't this against any nations I disagree with Politically on any issues.

[Valrifell]

Don’t get me wrong. I think both the Republican and the Democrat leaderships are full of shit currently.

The Democrats don't really have leadership currently.

Nancy Pelosi, as the highest ranking Democrat, is the de-facto standard bearer. There's also the whole party apparatus which is ticking along nicely but that's not what you meant

[Telconi]

lol nice comment I don't mean anything in a bad way. This is Political War declared on President Trump and the Republicans for Political reasons by the Democrats. Many here keep denying and I am not surprised. For which we are going through and we will go through the 3 4 5 and 6 NS World Wars on the Maga Threads I have Posted about.

Perhaps I will find the link and edited on this Post as a Link.

Nice to see you think a possible rapist being asked questions is equally bad to nuclear holocaust.

"Possible rapist"

Does this just mean person?

[Vassenor]

Nice to see you think a possible rapist being asked questions is equally bad to nuclear holocaust.

"Possible rapist"

Does this just mean person?

Are most people credibly accused of rape?

[Proctopeo]

"Possible rapist"

Does this just mean person?

Are most people credibly accused of rape?

For certain definitions of "credibly", "accused", and "rape", certainly.

[Telconi]

"Possible rapist"

Does this just mean person?

Are most people credibly accused of rape?

Were we talking about anyone credibly accused of rape?

[The East Marches II]

Nice to see you think a possible rapist being asked questions is equally bad to nuclear holocaust.

"Possible rapist"

Does this just mean person?

Yes basically. Thanks to the #metoo crowd, accusations of sexual assault are meaningless. I'm so glad they torp'd that whole business with Kavanaugh.

[The Black Forrest]

Has Trumps economy been that great?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... stay-there

[Fartsniffage]

Has Trumps economy been that great?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... stay-there

Is that any different to the rest of history?

Pulling oneself up by their bootstraps has always been a myth.

[Gormwood]

Has Trumps economy been that great?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... stay-there

Is that any different to the rest of history?

Pulling oneself up by their bootstraps has always been a myth.

This would like people voting for Hoover again after The Great Depression.