MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[San Lumen]

To mention the Democrats attempt to destroy Judge Brett Kavanaugh's reputation and high qualifications as a US Supreme Court Justice during the Kavanaugh hearings, which we went through NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh Maga Thread and Kavanaugh won.

The witnesses Republicans want to bring up is to defend President Trump, and if they can prove Joe Biden and his son Hunter did anything wrong, it proves President Trump has a point on the Biden's and they should be investigated too.

Hunter Biden stated in his interview he probably would not have gotten the job at Burisma if his name was not Biden. The Kid as President Trump called him was paid at least $ 50 000 dollars a month from Burisma and doesn't know anything about gas. The Burisma executives, Joe Biden and the Kid as President Trump calls him, have played golf and I assume dined together at a country club, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

Hunter Biden the Kid as President Trump calls him has resigned or was supposed to resign from a major Chinese Corporation on Oct 31 2019. Has traveled with his dad on a US government plane to China, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

none of this matters. The investigation isn't about whether the bidens were corrupt, it's about whether trump asked a foreign power to investigate a political rival. Whether there actually was corruption is irrelevant, and would need to be the subject of a separate investigation.

In the case of the Biden there is no evidence of wrongdoing. Republicans are merely grandstanding because they are too afraid of a primary challenge from the right then have a real investigation and vote to convict.

The ought to stab their base in the back and accept massive losses next year for the good of the country. but party matters more to Republicans.

[Greater Miami Shores]

To mention the Democrats attempt to destroy Judge Brett Kavanaugh's reputation and high qualifications as a US Supreme Court Justice during the Kavanaugh hearings, which we went through NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh Maga Thread and Kavanaugh won.

The witnesses Republicans want to bring up is to defend President Trump, and if they can prove Joe Biden and his son Hunter did anything wrong, it proves President Trump has a point on the Biden's and they should be investigated too.

Hunter Biden stated in his interview he probably would not have gotten the job at Burisma if his name was not Biden. The Kid as President Trump called him was paid at least $ 50 000 dollars a month from Burisma and doesn't know anything about gas. The Burisma executives, Joe Biden and the Kid as President Trump calls him, have played golf and I assume dined together at a country club, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

Hunter Biden the Kid as President Trump calls him has resigned or was supposed to resign from a major Chinese Corporation on Oct 31 2019. Has traveled with his dad on a US government plane to China, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

none of this matters. The investigation isn't about whether the bidens were corrupt, it's about whether trump asked a foreign power to investigate a political rival. Whether there actually was corruption is irrelevant, and would need to be the subject of a separate investigation.

Ok fine you proved your point. But as I pointed out the Democrats majority on the committee will block any witnesses the Republicans want to testify in Defense of President Trump, Democrat Adam Schiff's political kangaroo court against President Trump.

[Zurkerx]

Not to mention, Republicans did the exact same thing with Clinton in his impeachment: the Minority needed to get approval from the Chairperson and if denied, could bring it up to the committee for a vote. But the witnesses Republicans want to bring in are mostly distractions: The Ohrs, Hunter Biden, and others (seems they're pushing the conspiracy theory that the Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in our elections). There's only a few relevant witnesses like Morrison they want to testify. They also want the whistleblower too though that's not going to happen.

Also, it should also be noted as you pointed out that this is an investigation, which in this case, the House gathers the evidence and drafts articles of impeachment. This is really an indictment process; the trial happens in the Senate.

To mention the Democrats attempt to destroy Judge Brett Kavanaugh's reputation and high qualifications as a US Supreme Court Justice during the Kavanaugh hearings, which we went through NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh Maga Thread and Kavanaugh won.

The witnesses Republicans want to bring up is to defend President Trump, and if they can prove Joe Biden and his son Hunter did anything wrong, it proves President Trump has a point on the Biden's and they should be investigated too.

Hunter Biden stated in his interview he probably would not have gotten the job at Burisma if his name was not Biden. The Kid as President Trump called him was paid at least $ 50 000 dollars a month from Burisma and doesn't know anything about gas. The Burisma executives, Joe Biden and the Kid as President Trump calls him, have played golf and I assume dined together at a country club, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

Hunter Biden the Kid as President Trump calls him has resigned or was supposed to resign from a major Chinese Corporation on Oct 31 2019. Has traveled with his dad on a US government plane to China, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

First off, Kavanaugh and Biden's son being a board member of Chinese company has nothing to do with an investigation into Trump's Conduct with Ukraine. You could make the argument, regarding Biden, that a separate investigation could be opened up into the Biden's by the House or the Senate but the fact that hasn't happened should be duly noted as something Republicans don't have a winning argument on. And if you're going to condemn the Bidens for having ties to foreign business, then you should be aware of Trump's families ties to overseas businesses as Trump’s children take in millions overseas.

As for your witnesses, some of them maybe there to protect the President but most like the Ohrs wouldn't protect Trump anyway so why call them? It's because Republicans have no solid defense against the testimonies and evidence presented by witnesses, many of whom are political mavericks or military vets with high-sought credibility.

[Spirit of Hope]

Not to mention, Republicans did the exact same thing with Clinton in his impeachment: the Minority needed to get approval from the Chairperson and if denied, could bring it up to the committee for a vote. But the witnesses Republicans want to bring in are mostly distractions: The Ohrs, Hunter Biden, and others (seems they're pushing the conspiracy theory that the Ukraine, not Russia, interfered in our elections). There's only a few relevant witnesses like Morrison they want to testify. They also want the whistleblower too though that's not going to happen.

Also, it should also be noted as you pointed out that this is an investigation, which in this case, the House gathers the evidence and drafts articles of impeachment. This is really an indictment process; the trial happens in the Senate.

To mention the Democrats attempt to destroy Judge Brett Kavanaugh's reputation and high qualifications as a US Supreme Court Justice during the Kavanaugh hearings, which we went through NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh Maga Thread and Kavanaugh won.

Not relevant to the discussion on hand.

The witnesses Republicans want to bring up is to defend President Trump, and if they can prove Joe Biden and his son Hunter did anything wrong, it proves President Trump has a point on the Biden's and they should be investigated too.

Then why doesn't the Justice Department open an investigation into improper actions by a former Vice President? Oh wait, that would require there is some evidence of wrongdoing. Since their is no evidence there can be no investigation.

Hunter Biden stated in his interview he probably would not have gotten the job at Burisma if his name was not Biden. The Kid as President Trump called him was paid at least $ 50 000 dollars a month from Burisma and doesn't know anything about gas. The Burisma executives, Joe Biden and the Kid as President Trump calls him, have played golf and I assume dined together at a country club, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

Got a link to that interview? Because Hunter Biden was an experienced lawyer and lobbyist, he wasn't hired because of his experience with gas companies, but because of his business experience and lobbying experience in the United States. Since Burisma wanted to do business with the US getting an experienced US businessman and lobbyist isn't a bad idea, it probably doesn't hurt if he has the same last name as the VP. Unsavory? Yes. Illegal? No.

Hunter Biden the Kid as President Trump calls him has resigned or was supposed to resign from a major Chinese Corporation on Oct 31 2019. Has traveled with his dad on a US government plane to China, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

Do you have any evidence they talked business? Because unless you have evidence they talked business I'm going to believe the fact checkers and news articles that all point out this narrative is missing some key points about what was going on.

Now if we are going to complain about Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings then we should also probably talk about President Trump and his families foreign business dealings. After all if Hunter Biden's flying on the government dime to make business deals is a big deal, wouldn't it be a big deal if the Trumps were also doing that? Like expanding a golf course in Scotland, selling luxury resorts in Indonesia (plus getting the government to build a highway for them), selling condos in India, calling on the President of Panama for legal help, and having a hotel in Washington that dignitaries from other countries often stay at.

[San Lumen]

none of this matters. The investigation isn't about whether the bidens were corrupt, it's about whether trump asked a foreign power to investigate a political rival. Whether there actually was corruption is irrelevant, and would need to be the subject of a separate investigation.

Ok fine you proved your point. But as I pointed out the Democrats majority on the committee will block any witnesses the Republicans want to testify in Defense of President Trump, Democrat Adam Schiff's political kangaroo court against President Trump.

None of the witnesses are relevant. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by the Biden's.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Ok fine you proved your point. But as I pointed out the Democrats majority on the committee will block any witnesses the Republicans want to testify in Defense of President Trump, Democrat Adam Schiff's political kangaroo court against President Trump.

None of the witnesses are relevant. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by the Biden's.

Their is no evidence of guilt by President Trump beyond a doubt and hearsay. As much as you wish their to be.

[Greater Miami Shores]

To mention the Democrats attempt to destroy Judge Brett Kavanaugh's reputation and high qualifications as a US Supreme Court Justice during the Kavanaugh hearings, which we went through NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh Maga Thread and Kavanaugh won.

The witnesses Republicans want to bring up is to defend President Trump, and if they can prove Joe Biden and his son Hunter did anything wrong, it proves President Trump has a point on the Biden's and they should be investigated too.

Hunter Biden stated in his interview he probably would not have gotten the job at Burisma if his name was not Biden. The Kid as President Trump called him was paid at least $ 50 000 dollars a month from Burisma and doesn't know anything about gas. The Burisma executives, Joe Biden and the Kid as President Trump calls him, have played golf and I assume dined together at a country club, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

Hunter Biden the Kid as President Trump calls him has resigned or was supposed to resign from a major Chinese Corporation on Oct 31 2019. Has traveled with his dad on a US government plane to China, and they have never talked business, give me a break, an American expression.

First off, Kavanaugh and Biden's son being a board member of Chinese company has nothing to do with an investigation into Trump's Conduct with Ukraine. You could make the argument, regarding Biden, that a separate investigation could be opened up into the Biden's by the House or the Senate but the fact that hasn't happened should be duly noted as something Republicans don't have a winning argument on. And if you're going to condemn Biden's for having ties to foreign business, then you should be aware of Trump's families ties to overseas businesses as Trump’s children take in millions overseas.

As for your witnesses, some of them maybe there to protect the President but most like the Ohrs wouldn't protect Trump anyway so why call them? It's because Republicans have no solid defense against the testimonies and evidence presented by witnesses, many of whom are political mavericks or military vets with high-sought credibility.

I am very well aware of President Trump and his sons ties to overseas businesses, and you are very well aware of the Biden's ties to Burisma and the Chinese corporation, and the Kid as President Trump calls him doesn't know anything about gas, but to you and your leftist friends their is nothing wrong or suspicious about that, I am not surprised.

The real question is will the Republicans be able to call any witnesses to defend President Trump or not? If the answer is not, this will be Democrat Adam Schiff's Political Kangaroo court against President Trump, live on public TV. Lets us hope the American people will see through the Democrats dirty political tactics against President Trump.

[Vassenor]

None of the witnesses are relevant. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by the Biden's.

Their is no evidence of guilt by President Trump beyond a doubt and hearsay. As much as you wish their to be.

We heard you the first two hundred times you said it. What would you consider "evidence of guilt" then?

[San Lumen]

First off, Kavanaugh and Biden's son being a board member of Chinese company has nothing to do with an investigation into Trump's Conduct with Ukraine. You could make the argument, regarding Biden, that a separate investigation could be opened up into the Biden's by the House or the Senate but the fact that hasn't happened should be duly noted as something Republicans don't have a winning argument on. And if you're going to condemn Biden's for having ties to foreign business, then you should be aware of Trump's families ties to overseas businesses as Trump’s children take in millions overseas.

As for your witnesses, some of them maybe there to protect the President but most like the Ohrs wouldn't protect Trump anyway so why call them? It's because Republicans have no solid defense against the testimonies and evidence presented by witnesses, many of whom are political mavericks or military vets with high-sought credibility.

I am very well aware of President Trump and his sons ties to overseas businesses, and you are well aware of the Biden's ties to Burisma and the Chinese corporation, and the Kid as President Trump calls him doesn't know anything about gas, but to you and your leftist friends their is nothing wrong or suspicious about that, I am not surprised.

The real question is will the Republicans be able to call any witnesses to defend President Trump or not? If the answer is not, this will be Democrat Adam Schiff's Political Kangaroo court against President Trump, live on public TV. Lets us hope the American people will see through the Democrats dirty political tactics against President Trump.

Do you even read what’s written? The witnesses they want to call are irrelevant and there is zero evidence of wrongdoing by the Biden’s.

What dirty tactics? It’s the republicans who have done dirty tactics shut as storming a committee hearing they were entitled to attend and trying out the whistleblower. They are merely grandstanding as they are too afraid of primary challenges then daring to criticize and investigate Trump

[Spirit of Hope]

None of the witnesses are relevant. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by the Biden's.

Their is no evidence of guilt by President Trump beyond a doubt and hearsay. As much as you wish their to be.

That is why we conduct an investigation, to find evidence. There was an allegation made, and there have been numerous witnesses who have pointed out that their was a quid pro quo asked for with regards to Ukrainian aid and an investigation. Has there been proof that President Trump ordered that quid pro quo? Not fully, but that is why you call witnesses and conduct an investigation.

First off, Kavanaugh and Biden's son being a board member of Chinese company has nothing to do with an investigation into Trump's Conduct with Ukraine. You could make the argument, regarding Biden, that a separate investigation could be opened up into the Biden's by the House or the Senate but the fact that hasn't happened should be duly noted as something Republicans don't have a winning argument on. And if you're going to condemn Biden's for having ties to foreign business, then you should be aware of Trump's families ties to overseas businesses as Trump’s children take in millions overseas.

As for your witnesses, some of them maybe there to protect the President but most like the Ohrs wouldn't protect Trump anyway so why call them? It's because Republicans have no solid defense against the testimonies and evidence presented by witnesses, many of whom are political mavericks or military vets with high-sought credibility.

I am very well aware of President Trump and his sons ties to overseas businesses, and you are well aware of the Biden's ties to Burisma and the Chinese corporation, and the Kid as President Trump calls him doesn't know anything about gas, but to you and your leftist friends their is nothing wrong or suspicious about that, I am not surprised.

Morally wrong? Yes. Illegal? No. I have significant issues with both the Trumps and the Biden's overseas business, yet you seam to only have a problem with the Biden's doing it. As to Hunter Biden and knowing gas, he doesn't need to, he was brought on as a lobbyist to help Burisma with business in the US, where as a lawyer, business man, and lobbyist he had considerable experience.

The real question is will the Republicans be able to call any witnesses to defend President Trump or not? If the answer is not, this will be Democrat Adam Schiff's Political Kangaroo court against President Trump, live on public TV. Lets us hope the American people will see through the Democrats dirty political tactics against President Trump.

Well since Adam Schiff has only ruled out one witness, I think it is fare to say Republicans will get to call witnesses. And it is such a dirty trick to have people testify under oath about the US President.

[Zurkerx]

First off, Kavanaugh and Biden's son being a board member of Chinese company has nothing to do with an investigation into Trump's Conduct with Ukraine. You could make the argument, regarding Biden, that a separate investigation could be opened up into the Biden's by the House or the Senate but the fact that hasn't happened should be duly noted as something Republicans don't have a winning argument on. And if you're going to condemn Biden's for having ties to foreign business, then you should be aware of Trump's families ties to overseas businesses as Trump’s children take in millions overseas.

As for your witnesses, some of them maybe there to protect the President but most like the Ohrs wouldn't protect Trump anyway so why call them? It's because Republicans have no solid defense against the testimonies and evidence presented by witnesses, many of whom are political mavericks or military vets with high-sought credibility.

I am very well aware of President Trump and his sons ties to overseas businesses, and you are well aware of the Biden's ties to Burisma and the Chinese corporation, and the Kid as President Trump calls him doesn't know anything about gas, but to you and your leftist friends their is nothing wrong or suspicious about that, I am not surprised.

The real question is will the Republicans be able to call any witnesses to defend President Trump or not? If the answer is not, this will be Democrat Adam Schiff's Political Kangaroo court against President Trump, live on public TV. Lets us hope the American people will see through the Democrats dirty political tactics against President Trump.

Contrary to fact, I do find it inappropriate for a President, VP, etc. family serving on any boards, whether domestic or foreign. It's not illegal but it needs to be disclosed completely and the process completely transparent. Should have the Bidens done that? Of course but unless you have damning evidence of illegality, then all you can argue at this point is the Bidens (and Trumps) are unethically not disclosing their business ties and leeching off of them.

But if this was a Kangaroo Court, then Republicans would have no say. Not a single thing. The fact that they can question witnesses should be enough to say this isn't a KC. Not to mention, they can call witnesses (whom are irrelevant anyway), which if rejected by the Chair, they can appeal to the whole committee for a whole vote in which, they would need three Democrats to agree with them. Considering the power given to the minority, these rules are fine. After all, your fellow Republicans did the same with Clinton so considered this a tactic Democrats are taking from them.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Their is no evidence of guilt by President Trump beyond a doubt and hearsay. As much as you wish their to be.

We heard you the first two hundred times you said it. What would you consider "evidence of guilt" then?

I have heard you the first thousand times strongly attacking President Trump. I don't have a problem with any persons strongly
attacking President Trump,But I will defend President Trump just as they attack President Trump. But certain Persons on here have a problem with me strongly defending President Trump, as they have proven in their posts to me and to each other.

A video.

[Vassenor]

We heard you the first two hundred times you said it. What would you consider "evidence of guilt" then?

I have heard you the first thousand times strongly attacking President Trump. I don't have a problem with any person strongly attacking President Trump But I will defend President Trump just as they attack President Trump. But certain Persons on here have a problem with me strongly defending President Trump, as they have proven in their posts to me and each other.

A video.

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's no evidence because you want there to be no evidence.

[Spirit of Hope]

We heard you the first two hundred times you said it. What would you consider "evidence of guilt" then?

I have heard you the first thousand times strongly attacking President Trump. I don't have a problem with any person strongly attacking President Trump But I will defend President Trump just as they attack President Trump. But certain Persons on here have a problem with me strongly defending President Trump, as they have proven in their posts to me and each other.

A video.

So you need a video of the President committing a crime before you would consider the President guilty? Man that is an impossibly high bar. I find it unlikely that President Trump was stupid enough to keep around a video of him ordering a criminal action.

Never mind that we have had the Ambassador to the EU admit he (the Ambassador) pushed a quid pro quo.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I have heard you the first thousand times strongly attacking President Trump. I don't have a problem with any person strongly attacking President Trump But I will defend President Trump just as they attack President Trump. But certain Persons on here have a problem with me strongly defending President Trump, as they have proven in their posts to me and each other.

A video.

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's no evidence because you want there to be no evidence.

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's is evidence proving President Trump guilty as charged, tried and convicted by the Democrat saints because you want there to be evidence against President Trump, I am not surprised.

[Vassenor]

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's no evidence because you want there to be no evidence.

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's is evidence proving President Trump guilty as charged, tried and convicted by the Democrat saints because you want there to be evidence against President Trump, I am not surprised.

Are you actually going to do anything other than repeat my posts with a few words changed?

[Spirit of Hope]

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's no evidence because you want there to be no evidence.

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's is evidence proving President Trump guilty as charged, tried and convicted by the Democrat saints because you want there to be evidence against President Trump, I am not surprised.

I mean there have been multiple witnesses called, and they have generally agreed that there was a shadow policy campaign in the Ukraine, pushing for an investigation in return of military aid and political favors.

[Vassenor]

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's is evidence proving President Trump guilty as charged, tried and convicted by the Democrat saints because you want there to be evidence against President Trump, I am not surprised.

I mean there have been multiple witnesses called, and they have generally agreed that there was a shadow policy campaign in the Ukraine, pushing for an investigation in return of military aid and political favors.

Clearly a deep state conspiracy or something. QAnon said so and everything.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I have heard you the first thousand times strongly attacking President Trump. I don't have a problem with any person strongly attacking President Trump But I will defend President Trump just as they attack President Trump. But certain Persons on here have a problem with me strongly defending President Trump, as they have proven in their posts to me and each other.

A video.

So you need a video of the President committing a crime before you would consider the President guilty? Man that is an impossibly high bar. I find it unlikely that President Trump was stupid enough to keep around a video of him ordering a criminal action.

Never mind that we have had the Ambassador to the EU admit he (the Ambassador) pushed a quid pro quo.

Never mind President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, a former comedian has stated, he felt no pressures from President Trump, no black mail or quid pro quo, it should have been on a video not on a phone call, good joke Volodymyr Zelensky lol, the lol fits the joke in this particular case.

I know I have no said it 1001 times, but it fits the post the counter posts.

[Greater Miami Shores]

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's is evidence proving President Trump guilty as charged, tried and convicted by the Democrat saints because you want there to be evidence against President Trump, I am not surprised.

Are you actually going to do anything other than repeat my posts with a few words changed?

Yes, because they make sense in reverse too. If it works my way, it works both ways too.

[Spirit of Hope]

So you need a video of the President committing a crime before you would consider the President guilty? Man that is an impossibly high bar. I find it unlikely that President Trump was stupid enough to keep around a video of him ordering a criminal action.

Never mind that we have had the Ambassador to the EU admit he (the Ambassador) pushed a quid pro quo.

Never mind President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, a former comedian has stated, he felt no pressures from President Trump, no black mail or quid pro quo, it should have been on a video not on a phone call, good joke Volodymyr Zelensky lol, the lol fits the joke in this particular case.

I know I have no said it 1001 times, but it fits the post the counter posts.

He said there was no blackmail, he never said (as far as I am aware) that there was no quid pro quo. If you have a news article where Volodymyr Zelensky says there was no quid pro quo I would love to see it. Also just because Volodymyr Zelensky says there wasn't one in an interview or Q&A doesn't mean that a quid pro quo was no existent, after all politicians lie and he has made no statement on this under oath. Meanwhile multiple US witnesses have.

[Gormwood]

I have heard you the first thousand times strongly attacking President Trump. I don't have a problem with any person strongly attacking President Trump But I will defend President Trump just as they attack President Trump. But certain Persons on here have a problem with me strongly defending President Trump, as they have proven in their posts to me and each other.

A video.

So basically you're just going to keep burying your head in the sand and screaming about how there's no evidence because you want there to be no evidence.

It's amazing people still try to debate him when he's made it clear the sole purpose of his entire presence in the thread is to Baghdad Bob on behalf of Trump ignoring facts.

[San Lumen]

So you need a video of the President committing a crime before you would consider the President guilty? Man that is an impossibly high bar. I find it unlikely that President Trump was stupid enough to keep around a video of him ordering a criminal action.

Never mind that we have had the Ambassador to the EU admit he (the Ambassador) pushed a quid pro quo.

Never mind President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky, a former comedian has stated, he felt no pressures from President Trump, no black mail or quid pro quo, it should have been on a video not on a phone call, good joke Volodymyr Zelensky lol, the lol fits the joke in this particular case.

I know I have no said it 1001 times, but it fits the post the counter posts.

do you even know how a trial works? If you commit a crime there isnt suddenly massive amounts of evidence sitting in the lap of the jury. There is an invesigiation to gather evidence to determine if there was wrongdoing. If a judge deems there is sufficient evidence to go to trial one is held. An impeachment inquiry is slightly different as there is no judge determining if it goes to trial but its very similar.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Wasn't he just fined for stealing from charity or something?

[San Lumen]

Wasn't he just fined for stealing from charity or something?

yes and ordered to pay 2 million dollars