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Should Donald Trump be impeached?

Yes, and he should be removed from office and prosecuted.
174
50%
Yes, and he should be removed from office but not prosecuted.
19
5%
Yes, and he should be impeached but not removed from office.
3
1%
Neutral/Unsure/Meh
14
4%
No, he shouldn't be impeached, let the 2020 Election decide his fate.
44
13%
No, he shouldn't be impeached as his actions don't warrant impeachment.
33
10%
No, he shouldn't be impeached as the impeachment inquiry is politically motivated.
60
17%
 
Total votes : 347

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:02 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Your Pee Wee Herman style Whataboutism isn't an argument either. Beyond that, do you realize how utterly ridiculous you sound?

Obviously not.

Thank you Gormwood for agreeing with me, and I hate Pee Wee Herman, I almost did not quote you blah.
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Postby Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No I am right. Republicans have their base, Democrats have their base. Republicans support Republicans. Democrats support Democrats. Their is no difference. Therefore no whataboutism, therefore true equivalence, no false equivalence as it has been used against me on this thread several times by certain nations, who disagree with me politically on President Trump and the Republicans. I rest my case again.

I am not sure you know what whataboutism is.


I'll second that motion.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:02 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Your Pee Wee Herman style Whataboutism isn't an argument either. Beyond that, do you realize how utterly ridiculous you sound?

No I am right. Republicans have their base, Democrats have their base. Republicans support Republicans. Democrats support Democrats. Their is no difference. Therefore no whataboutism, therefore true equivalence, no false equivalence as it has been used against me on this thread several times by certain nations, who disagree with me politically on President Trump and the Republicans. I rest my case again.

Do you any evidence that all witnesses that have testified committed perjury as well as the ones who have yet to do so?
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:03 pm

Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I am not sure you know what whataboutism is.


I'll second that motion.

Thirded.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:06 pm

Perhaps you could just agree to disagree?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:09 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:No I am right. Republicans have their base, Democrats have their base. Republicans support Republicans. Democrats support Democrats. Their is no difference. Therefore no whataboutism, therefore true equivalence, no false equivalence as it has been used against me on this thread several times by certain nations, who disagree with me politically on President Trump and the Republicans. I rest my case again.

I am not sure you know what whataboutism is.

I do know what it is, I even looked it up to refresh my knowledge of it.
This post of mine proves my point:
viewtopic.php?p=36418132#p36418132
But I am not surprised that Democrats, never Trumpers, anti Trumpers and independent anti Trumpers don't agree with me and the Republicans on this particular post and statement of mine in context, which proves my point.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:12 pm

Nakena wrote:Perhaps you could just agree to disagree?

Thank you :D my Friend lol. I know I can always count on you to defend me. :)
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:13 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I am not sure you know what whataboutism is.

I do know what it is, I even looked it up to refresh my knowledge of it.
This post of mine proves my point:
viewtopic.php?p=36418132#p36418132
But I am not surprised that Democrats, never Trumpers, anti Trumpers and independent anti Trumpers don't agree with me and the Republicans on this particular post and statement of mine in context, which proves my point.

That is the post that made me think you do not know what it means. D you mind telling us what you think it means?
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Postby Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:13 pm

Nakena wrote:Perhaps you could just agree to disagree?


On Pee Wee Herman?

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:17 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I do know what it is, I even looked it up to refresh my knowledge of it.
This post of mine proves my point:
viewtopic.php?p=36418132#p36418132
But I am not surprised that Democrats, never Trumpers, anti Trumpers and independent anti Trumpers don't agree with me and the Republicans on this particular post and statement of mine in context, which proves my point.

That is the post that made me think you do not know what it means. D you mind telling us what you think it means?

Here is my post in full context:
No I am right. Republicans have their base, Democrats have their base. Republicans support Republicans. Democrats support Democrats. Their is no difference. Therefore no whataboutism, therefore true equivalence, no false equivalence as it has been used against me on this thread several times by certain nations, who disagree with me politically on President Trump and the Republicans. I rest my case again.

Republicans have their hard core base, Democrats have their hard core base, lets be honest about it, lets not deny it. I rest my case again.

viewtopic.php?p=36418132#p36418132
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Postby Gravlen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:27 pm

Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...

Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.

Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation

The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.


This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.

Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:29 pm

Gravlen wrote:Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...

Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.

Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation

The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.


This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.

Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?

Obviously not. *nod*
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:35 pm

Gravlen wrote:Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...

Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.

Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation

The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.


This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.

Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?

Republicans and Democrats do it too, and it is wrong on both sides, true equivalence, not false equivalence even if the sum if much smaller:
Source Politico:
Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.

The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008.

Here is the Link to Poltico
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784

I rest my case again.
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Postby Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:47 pm

Gravlen wrote:Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...

Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.

Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation

The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.


This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.

Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?


Oh yeah. Weren't they also the party of the Moral Majority sporting strict adherence to the Ten Commandments until Ronald Reagan added the Eleventh Commandment?

However, the addition of the Eleventh caused the rescinding of "Thou shalt not Lie" and "Thou shall not steal" leaving us with just nine and now perhaps even less.

Reagan creating a false commandment was an impersonation of God. "Thou shall not have any false Gods before me." We lost that one too. In recent times we have Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels doing adultery while Melania is pregnant.

It's no wonder everything has gone to hell.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:50 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:That is the post that made me think you do not know what it means. D you mind telling us what you think it means?

Here is my post in full context:
No I am right. Republicans have their base, Democrats have their base. Republicans support Republicans. Democrats support Democrats. Their is no difference. Therefore no whataboutism, therefore true equivalence, no false equivalence as it has been used against me on this thread several times by certain nations, who disagree with me politically on President Trump and the Republicans. I rest my case again.

Republicans have their hard core base, Democrats have their hard core base, lets be honest about it, lets not deny it. I rest my case again.

viewtopic.php?p=36418132#p36418132

I read the whole context, I am still certain that you do not know what it means, hence me asking you what you think it means.
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Postby Nakena » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:53 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Nakena wrote:Perhaps you could just agree to disagree?

Thank you :D my Friend lol. I know I can always count on you to defend me. :)


I might consider your renaming suggestion for the threads. Or should it be something like At the Shores of Miami?
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Postby Gravlen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:57 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...

Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.

Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation

The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.


This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.

Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?

Republicans and Democrats do it too, and it is wrong on both sides, true equivalence, not false equivalence even if the sum if much smaller:
Source Politico:
Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.

The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008.

Here is the Link to Poltico
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784

I rest my case again.

Wait, you really think being late (waiting more than 48 hour) reporting certain contributions, reporting erroneous contribution dates on some campaign reports, and being late returning some contributions that exceeded the legal limit, is the same as claiming to hold a fund-raiser for veterans which was in fact a campaign event?

You think negligence is equivalent to straight up fraud? And you don't give a shit about veterans being shafted?

I don't think you're supposed to say out loud that your moral compass is shattered. :unsure:
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:06 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Hey, remember when the Republican party was the party holding veterans high and...

Among Mr. Trump’s admissions in court papers: The charity gave his campaign complete control over disbursing the $2.8 million that the foundation had raised at a fund-raiser for veterans in Iowa in January 2016, only days before the state’s presidential nominating caucuses. The fund-raiser, he acknowledged, was in fact a campaign event.

Trump Ordered to Pay $2 Million to Charities for Misuse of Foundation

The president admitted he had used funds raised by the Donald J. Trump Foundation to promote his campaign and pay business debts.


This is Trump formally admitting to illegally misdirecting charitable funds from an event he claimed was a benefit for veterans.

Surely this is on par with the disrespect Obama showed to the armed forces when he asked a marine to hold an umbrella for him?

Republicans and Democrats do it too, and it is wrong on both sides, true equivalence, not false equivalence even if the sum if much smaller:
Source Politico:
Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.

The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008.

Here is the Link to Poltico
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784

I rest my case again.

Do you have any argument whatsoever? Do you truly see nothing wrong with asking for foreign assistance to win an election?

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Postby Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:09 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Republicans and Democrats do it too, and it is wrong on both sides, true equivalence, not false equivalence even if the sum if much smaller:
Source Politico:
Obama 2008 campaign fined $375,000

President Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign was fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for campaign reporting violations — one of the largest fees ever levied against a presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.

The fine — laid out in detail in FEC documents that have yet to be made public — arose from an audit of the campaign, which was published in April. POLITICO obtained a copy of the conciliation agreement detailing the fine, which was sent to Sean Cairncross, the chief lawyer for the Republican National Committee, one of the groups that filed complaints about the campaign’s FEC reporting from 2008.

Here is the Link to Poltico
https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784

I rest my case again.

Wait, you really think being late (waiting more than 48 hour) reporting certain contributions, reporting erroneous contribution dates on some campaign reports, and being late returning some contributions that exceeded the legal limit, is the same as claiming to hold a fund-raiser for veterans which was in fact a campaign event?

You think negligence is equivalent to straight up fraud? And you don't give a shit about veterans being shafted?

I don't think you're supposed to say out loud that your moral compass is shattered. :unsure:


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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Here is my post in full context:
No I am right. Republicans have their base, Democrats have their base. Republicans support Republicans. Democrats support Democrats. Their is no difference. Therefore no whataboutism, therefore true equivalence, no false equivalence as it has been used against me on this thread several times by certain nations, who disagree with me politically on President Trump and the Republicans. I rest my case again.

Republicans have their hard core base, Democrats have their hard core base, lets be honest about it, lets not deny it. I rest my case again.

viewtopic.php?p=36418132#p36418132

I read the whole context, I am still certain that you do not know what it means, hence me asking you what you think it means.

I am sorry but I think I made my point very clear. This whole thing started because a certain nation I cant even remember the name of and I would have to check back the posts, claimed that I worship Trump and the Republicans. So I posted that Republicans support Republicans, and Democrats support democrats. they both have their hard core base of worshipers.

Making fun of my support for President Trump by a few nation just a few minutes ago, granted it is allowed and not actionable. Honestly I cant understand why you guys don't notice it. Any thing I post with comments, links and videos get dismissed as wrong , and anything they post they defend as right. Then if I defend my posts they make fun of my posts and statements to me and each other, the evidence is very clear, reflected in their posts to me and each other, granted it is allowed and not actionable.

If I try to do the same or similar in my defense of my posts and statements, they say I am wrong and they are right, then they make fun of my posts and comments to me and each other. I cant win one according to them. Granted they have not done anything actionable against me.

I give up. I surrender they are all correct and I wrong every time. I think that is what they want me to admit. Sorry for this rant this post has turned into. I cant argue anything without being wrong according to them. I give up.

Whataboutism:
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.Also called whataboutery.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=whatabout ... =0&PC=MSE1

False Equivalence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
"the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"

Equivlance - I could not find a true equivalence definition.
1. The state or condition of being equivalent; equality. 2. Mathematics An equivalence relation. 3. Logic The relationship that holds for two propositions that are either both true or both false, so that the affirmation of one and the denial of the other results in contradiction.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivalence
I am finally correct on something on this thread, I am correct on this one.

I rest my case again.
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Postby Gravlen » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:13 pm

Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Wait, you really think being late (waiting more than 48 hour) reporting certain contributions, reporting erroneous contribution dates on some campaign reports, and being late returning some contributions that exceeded the legal limit, is the same as claiming to hold a fund-raiser for veterans which was in fact a campaign event?

You think negligence is equivalent to straight up fraud? And you don't give a shit about veterans being shafted?

I don't think you're supposed to say out loud that your moral compass is shattered. :unsure:


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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:21 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:I read the whole context, I am still certain that you do not know what it means, hence me asking you what you think it means.

I am sorry but I think I made my point clear. This whole thing started because a certain nation I cant even remember the name of and I would have to check back the posts, claimed that I worship Trump and the Republicans. So I posted that Republicans support Republicans, and Democrats support democrats. they both have their hard core base of worshipers.

Making fun of my support for President Trump by a few nation just a few minutes ago, granted it is allowed and not actionable. Honestly I cant understand why you guys don't notice it. Any thing I post with comments, links and videos get dismissed as wrong , and anything they post they defend as right. Then if I defend my posts they make fun of my posts and statements, the evidence is very clear, reflected in their posts to me, granted it is allowed and not actionable.

If I try to do the same or similar in my defense of my posts and statements, they say I am wrong and they are right, then they make fun of my posts and comments to me and each other. I cant win one according to them. Granted they have not done anything actionable against me.

I give up. I surrender they are all correct and I wrong every time. I think that is what they want me to admit. Sorry for this rant this post has turned into. I cant argue anything without being wrong according to them. I give up.

Whataboutism:
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.Also called whataboutery.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=whatabout ... =0&PC=MSE1

False Equivalence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
"the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"

Equivlance - I could not find a true equivalence definition.
1. The state or condition of being equivalent; equality. 2. Mathematics An equivalence relation. 3. Logic The relationship that holds for two propositions that are either both true or both false, so that the affirmation of one and the denial of the other results in contradiction.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivalence
I am finally correct on something on this thread, I am correct on this one.

I rest my case again.

yeah you confirmed you really do not understand what whataboutism is, even after linking the definition.

I will give an example.
Sandra: Bob is such a hypocrite for complaining about pushy vegans while also being a pushy meat eater
Bill: Yeah but what about Jane pushing for everyone to eat vegan

You will note that Bill did not respond to Sandra's point about Bob and brought up the irrelevant Jane to distract from the issue of Bob.

In your case, Republicans where brought up as cherry picking something. You then essentially said, yeah but hat about Democrat cherry picking. False equivalency has nothing to do with it at all it is more a subset of the tu quoque fallacy
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Postby Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:02 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Professor Irwin Corey wrote:
fait accompli

I don't know why, but that term always make me want Crêpes.


My Aunt Suzette always said the exact same thing. :lol:

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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:04 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:I am sorry but I think I made my point clear. This whole thing started because a certain nation I cant even remember the name of and I would have to check back the posts, claimed that I worship Trump and the Republicans. So I posted that Republicans support Republicans, and Democrats support democrats. they both have their hard core base of worshipers.

Making fun of my support for President Trump by a few nation just a few minutes ago, granted it is allowed and not actionable. Honestly I cant understand why you guys don't notice it. Any thing I post with comments, links and videos get dismissed as wrong , and anything they post they defend as right. Then if I defend my posts they make fun of my posts and statements, the evidence is very clear, reflected in their posts to me, granted it is allowed and not actionable.

If I try to do the same or similar in my defense of my posts and statements, they say I am wrong and they are right, then they make fun of my posts and comments to me and each other. I cant win one according to them. Granted they have not done anything actionable against me.

I give up. I surrender they are all correct and I wrong every time. I think that is what they want me to admit. Sorry for this rant this post has turned into. I cant argue anything without being wrong according to them. I give up.

Whataboutism:
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.Also called whataboutery.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=whatabout ... =0&PC=MSE1

False Equivalence:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
"the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"

Equivlance - I could not find a true equivalence definition.
1. The state or condition of being equivalent; equality. 2. Mathematics An equivalence relation. 3. Logic The relationship that holds for two propositions that are either both true or both false, so that the affirmation of one and the denial of the other results in contradiction.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/equivalence
I am finally correct on something on this thread, I am correct on this one.

I rest my case again.

yeah you confirmed you really do not understand what whataboutism is, even after linking the definition.

I will give an example.
Sandra: Bob is such a hypocrite for complaining about pushy vegans while also being a pushy meat eater
Bill: Yeah but what about Jane pushing for everyone to eat vegan

You will note that Bill did not respond to Sandra's point about Bob and brought up the irrelevant Jane to distract from the issue of Bob.

In your case, Republicans where brought up as cherry picking something. You then essentially said, yeah but hat about Democrat cherry picking.

I strongly and respectfully disagree with you that I don't understand it.
ok what I said is they both cherry pick when they can, and I am correct, but in this case Adam Schiff and the Democrats choose their witnesses and transcripts to release it their way to attack Trump. The Republicans cant do any thing to defend Trump, thanks to Democrat Adam Schiff.

Anything they say gets attacked similar to how it gets attacked on NS.

I Predict the open public hearings in the house, are going to be similar to the kangaroo court attacks by the Democrats against judge Brett Kavanaugh, to destroy Kavanaugh's reputation and high qualifications as a US Supreme Court Justice, luckily Justice Brett Kavanaugh won.

For which we went through NS World War 3 on the Kavanaugh hearing threads especially the last one, which was NS World War 3. I Predict we will have NS World Wars 4 5 6 respectively on the maga threads as I have previously predicted.

Granted I read Fox News, Sean Hannity, Town Hall, One America News Network, the Federalists, the Atlantic, Breitbart, Red State.org and all the other right wing news sources. Which according to them are biased right wing propaganda in defense of President Trump. (please excuse my using these terms in this particular case) and their leftist sources as the truth and nothing but the truth.

I do read MSNBC, Yahoo and Politico and have posted articles, quotes and videos from those leftists sources and I still cant win one according to them, than my rant above happens.

I give up, this is just a figure of speech.

I guess you all don't agree these other nations are doing this to me above in my rant. which I recognize is not actionable against them. I don't hold any grudges against them. You the Moderators know my policy and my new policy I have been forced to make. I don't like reporting anyone against me or against others. but now I have no choice but to report any nation I think might have broken a rule against me. Perhaps they will eventually ease off on my so called rant above. Also with my new kinder gentler style of posting I am trying to post, at least I am trying.

Notice I have no problems with the 18 or so nations on my anti Cuba thread, my pet issue on NS for obvious reasons or on any other issues. I only have a problem with the 18 or so nations when I defend President Trump, the evidence is very clear.

They don't question or put down my sources on Cuba or on any other issues only when I defend President Trump, what a coincidence.

Farnhamia is right I am always or usually very civil, so I believe I will never break an NS Rule and
get banned from NS, which I love.

Granted I messed up using multiple nations to post on multiple thread, because I wanted those main nations to have a connection to those threads, and I switch back and forth between those nations because I spend a lot of times on those nations back and forth.

I have never intended to use any of my now 153 Plus nations to evade the foe list or ignore list as I call it. It would be very stupid of me or any nation to do and get banned from NS. No matter how my statements on my post or on the moderation report sounded.

I proud that no moderator has ever given me an unofficial warning, official warning, or even a one day ban from nation states.

I have a clean record that I am very proud of and wish to keep clean. I plant to be on nation states for the rest of my life and from beyond the grave if possible, I love NS for the general forum and RP threads, which I can post with real world nations, statistics and real world leaders, I hate NS stats.

I believe their is a God and spirits, because of the spirits I saw in my house in Cuba and the little old lady sitting in the rocking chair in my house in Cuba, since then I believe in Spirits and God. Perhaps you have seen my posts on it. It is interesting reading. I can look up the links for you if you wish to read it.

Sorry for the long response, when I get writing and creative I cant stop, it is a bad habit of mine.

Thank you Neutraligion for your posts.
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I will only Post from one Nation Per Thread. I am not trying to evade any Foe List or Ignore List as I call it. I am the Worlds Greatest Insomniac, I beat the Worlds Record every Day. I guess Republican President Trump is the second Greatest Insomniac, with his 3 in the morning Tweets lol. President Trump is No Gentleman. Republican President Ronald Reagan, the original Make America Great Again President is the Greatest American President of the USA. President Ronald Reagan was a Gentleman, they don't make them like President Ronald Reagan Anymore. First Lady Nancy Reagan the Greatest First Lady of The USA. Wearing Her Favorite color Republican Red, dancing cheek to cheek with President Reagan, to My Lady In Red they loved each other dearly. Viva Trump 2020 lol. I Accountant by Profession.

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Postby Professor Irwin Corey » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:15 pm

Nakena wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Thank you :D my Friend lol. I know I can always count on you to defend me. :)


I might consider your renaming suggestion for the threads. Or should it be something like At the Shores of Miami?


Are you sure?

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