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Should Donald Trump be impeached?

Yes, and he should be removed from office and prosecuted.
174
50%
Yes, and he should be removed from office but not prosecuted.
19
5%
Yes, and he should be impeached but not removed from office.
3
1%
Neutral/Unsure/Meh
14
4%
No, he shouldn't be impeached, let the 2020 Election decide his fate.
44
13%
No, he shouldn't be impeached as his actions don't warrant impeachment.
33
10%
No, he shouldn't be impeached as the impeachment inquiry is politically motivated.
60
17%
 
Total votes : 347

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Postby Moral Absolutism Inc » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Gravlen wrote:I don't know if the Onion is just really good at satire, or if they've completely given up on being satirical:

Jubilant ISIS Prisoners Hail American Liberators


How can one satirize reality when it's already become a parody of itself?


Layering.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:35 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Duhon wrote:
so you know them?
cool
but believe it or not
not only communists can be tyrants

I know, but America is still a democracy under President Donald J Trump of the USA.

Who also happens to be a greedy, obese, racist, sexist, ignorant, cowardly, sexual assaulter.

Oh yeah, you haven't answered my question:
New haven america wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:Since I respect your right to your views even as I disagree with them, and you wont respect my right to my views even as you disagree with them, I will not answer the question, Peace over and out.

How is starting a fake charity and pocketing the donations, as Trump and his friends did, not greedy?

It's a simple question, you should have no problem answering it if you're secure in your beliefs.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:38 pm

New haven america wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:I know, but America is still a democracy under President Donald J Trump of the USA.

Who also happens to be a greedy, obese, racist, sexist, ignorant, cowardly, sexual assaulter.

Oh yeah, you haven't answered my question:
New haven america wrote:How is starting a fake charity and pocketing the donations, as Trump and his friends did, not greedy?

It's a simple question, you should have no problem answering it if you're secure in your beliefs.


he answered you dude
facts are just opinions
he respects opinions but he's not bound to care about them, not when trump is perfect
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:40 pm

Duhon wrote:
New haven america wrote:Who also happens to be a greedy, obese, racist, sexist, ignorant, cowardly, sexual assaulter.

Oh yeah, you haven't answered my question:


he answered you dude
facts are just opinions

They answered me, they did not answer my question.
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Postby Duhon » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:41 pm

New haven america wrote:
Duhon wrote:
he answered you dude
facts are just opinions

They answered me, they did not answer my question.


he's incapable of thinking trump is wrong
give it up

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:42 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Duhon wrote:
so you know them?
cool
but believe it or not
not only communists can be tyrants

I know, but America is still a democracy under President Donald J Trump of the USA.

For now. They said that about Orbán when he came to power in Hungary. It’s now nearly impossible for his party to lose its majority in parliament.

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Postby The Pris0ner » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:44 pm

New haven america wrote:
Duhon wrote:
he answered you dude
facts are just opinions

They answered me, they did not answer my question.


That would be telling. Besides, he's incapable.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:51 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Probably. They may say he is a bad bad man; they still support him.

I say President Trump is a great American President.


Still waiting for the links to where you explain how he maga’d.
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Postby Ghost Land » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:58 pm

New haven america wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:I know, but America is still a democracy under President Donald J Trump of the USA.

Who also happens to be a greedy, obese, racist, sexist, ignorant, cowardly, sexual assaulter.

And who, negative opinions of him aside (as many of these words are judged subjectively), was still elected within the rules of our system.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:05 pm

Ghost Land wrote:
New haven america wrote:Who also happens to be a greedy, obese, racist, sexist, ignorant, cowardly, sexual assaulter.

And who, negative opinions of him aside (as many of these words are judged subjectively), was still elected within the rules of our system.


There are political opinions which are usually subjective. They can also be objective. Dismissing claims of corruption since they are political is silly if not simple minded. Now if the facts of the claim are false; dismissal is quite valid.

Him being elected is irrelevant to the impeachment inquiry.
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:06 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:I say President Trump is a great American President.


Still waiting for the links to where you explain how he maga’d.

I posted my answer to you on a post to Vassenor, but according to the NS system I have 783 posts on the thread, I am not going to go through 783 posts, you know I support Donnie for the economy, his social policies in general, cutting government regulations, signing executive orders undoing Obama executive orders, anti immigration policies, anti Venezuelan and Cuban regime my ultimate litmus test, I now have answered your question again but this time with more detail, thank you for your post, Peace over and out.

I disagree with Donnie on his soft foreign policy on North Korea and on his betrayal of the Kurds, I support and independent Kurdistan Nation State, I think they can be an oil rich, strong military ally of the US like Israel.

I am against the leftist liberal democrat socialist policies.

I am against the leftist Democrat Presidential candidates in American terms, I will never vote for a leftist Liberal Democrat and all support the Cuban regime especially Bernie Sanders.

But I still support Donnie and the Republicans for all the Great Make America Great Again Policies I and millions of American citizens support.
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Postby Ghost Land » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:And who, negative opinions of him aside (as many of these words are judged subjectively), was still elected within the rules of our system.


There are political opinions which are usually subjective. They can also be objective. Dismissing claims of corruption since they are political is silly if not simple minded. Now if the facts of the claim are false; dismissal is quite valid.

Him being elected is irrelevant to the impeachment inquiry.

You're reading too far into what I said (I mentioned nothing about the impeachment inquiry in my post) and I think you've replied to the wrong person.

For the record, the very definition of the word "opinion" means "subjective" (otherwise it would be a fact). I don't doubt Trump has done corrupt things in his nearly three years in office. At the same time, I'd like to see an example of a president who hasn't done anything corrupt in his time in office. I also think that impeaching Trump this late in his term is more so symbolic to prove a point than anything, and it would be better to let the voters decide in November 2020 whether to give him another term rather than have two new presidential inaugurations within a year's time.
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:21 pm

True Refuge wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:leftist liberal democrat socialist


This made me chuckle.

In American terms yes, especially Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren in that order lol. Bernie Sanders loved and supported by the Democrat Socialists of America who call each other comrades, and is now a branch of the Democratic Party, Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are members of the Democrat Socialist of America and they have a few other lower Democratic Party members.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:I know, but America is still a democracy under President Donald J Trump of the USA.

For now. They said that about Orbán when he came to power in Hungary. It’s now nearly impossible for his party to lose its majority in parliament.


Why do the Hungarians get all the goodies?
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:29 pm

Duhon wrote:
New haven america wrote:They answered me, they did not answer my question.


he's incapable of thinking trump is wrong
give it up

Leftist Democrats are incapable of thinking Trump might not be guilty and right lol and they hate President Trump. Thank you for your answers to New Haven America.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:For now. They said that about Orbán when he came to power in Hungary. It’s now nearly impossible for his party to lose its majority in parliament.


Why do the Hungarians get all the goodies?

I didn’t know you supported the USSR!
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Postby True Refuge » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:45 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Duhon wrote:
he's incapable of thinking trump is wrong
give it up

Leftist Democrats are incapable of thinking Trump might not be guilty and right lol and they hate President Trump. Thank you for your answers to New Haven America.


“No u” isn’t a very strong response.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:53 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
Duhon wrote:
he's incapable of thinking trump is wrong
give it up

Leftist Democrats are incapable of thinking Trump might not be guilty and right lol and they hate President Trump. Thank you for your answers to New Haven America.

Do you find the Kingsman parody video of him killing journalists acceptable?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:01 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why do the Hungarians get all the goodies?

I didn’t know you supported the USSR!


Does Hungary have the USSR? Is it hidden in Viktor Orban's coat pocket?
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:Leftist Democrats are incapable of thinking Trump might not be guilty and right lol and they hate President Trump. Thank you for your answers to New Haven America.

Do you find the Kingsman parody video of him killing journalists acceptable?

I posted about this on the Barr Trump thread, but I am sure you will not like my answer and you will not agree with my answer.

As I Previously Posted, while I don't support or endorse this video, as I don't do this anywhere, they do it because they are sick of the leftist media and the leftist hatred of Trump, that is what motivates them, I have explained their views and feelings.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:08 pm

Miami Shores wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Do you find the Kingsman parody video of him killing journalists acceptable?

I posted about this on the Barr Trump thread, but I am sure you will not like my answer and you will not agree with my answer.

As I Previously Posted, while I don't support or endorse this video, as I don't do this anywhere, they do it because they are sick of the leftist media and the leftist hatred of Trump, that is what motivates them, I have explained their views and feelings.

Yeah how dare the media do their job instead of constantly singing his praises

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Postby Telconi » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Miami Shores wrote:I posted about this on the Barr Trump thread, but I am sure you will not like my answer and you will not agree with my answer.

As I Previously Posted, while I don't support or endorse this video, as I don't do this anywhere, they do it because they are sick of the leftist media and the leftist hatred of Trump, that is what motivates them, I have explained their views and feelings.

Yeah how dare the media do their job instead of constantly singing his praises


They're allowed to quit.
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Postby Miami Shores » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:42 pm

Especially posted to Kowani, Telconi and San Lumen:

Another world leader I support lol.

President Trump and Prime Minister of Hungary Viktor Orbán have praised each other many times, are close personal friends and have great economic, political and cultural relations between both nations.

lol Hungary is not the USSR or another Cuba, contrary to San Lumen's information Hungary is still a multi political party capitalist nation of small private businesses and large corporations, its economy is doing great under Orbán and Viktor Orbán is considerably popular in Hungary.

I have read about Orbán's weak stupid socialist opposition leaders.

I follow Hungary news regularly because I have the nation of Budapest Hungary which I RP with from time to time. Chancellor Angela Merkle of Germany deals with Orbán when it suits her political and economic interests. EU Minister of Foreign Diplomatic Relations Federica Mogherini, has declared Cuba a one political party state democracy lol,

Germany has economic, political, cultural and tourist diplomatic relations with the eternal Cuban military Mafia revolutionary dictatorship regime under Chancellor Angela Merkel, during 2018 Cuba received 197 122 German tourists, they are real concerned about democracy go figure.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:55 pm

Gravlen wrote:I don't know if the Onion is just really good at satire, or if they've completely given up on being satirical:

Jubilant ISIS Prisoners Hail American Liberators


It's a bit of a repeat of Iraq in 1990, basically give the go-ahead for a country to invade another and on realising that mistake apply sanctions and get all huffy. Not that you'd know any of this on FOX, in that universe the world is gripped by potential Biden corruption.
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