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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Trump can do no wrong. I am convinced at this point he's likely getting reelection unless there is a recession.


Verifiably false, he can always nominate Merrick Garland to SCOTUS.

He's more likely to nominate Don Jr.


The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Any of their 2016 candidates would have been better for them than Donald Trump.


If by 'better for them' you mean better for the Democrats. Then yes. The Republicans needed to change. They did.

The fact that Democrats see this as cultishness will always confuse me.

I mean better for the Republicans. They have gained four years of presidential power, but at what cost?

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Postby Aclion » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:If by 'better for them' you mean better for the Democrats. Then yes. The Republicans needed to change. They did.

The fact that Democrats see this as cultishness will always confuse me.

I mean better for the Republicans. They have gained four years of presidential power, but at what cost?[/quote]
Splitting the democrat party, and shedding neoconservativism.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:29 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Verifiably false, he can always nominate Merrick Garland to SCOTUS.

He's more likely to nominate Don Jr.


The Emerald Legion wrote:
If by 'better for them' you mean better for the Democrats. Then yes. The Republicans needed to change. They did.

The fact that Democrats see this as cultishness will always confuse me.

I mean better for the Republicans. They have gained four years of presidential power, but at what cost?


Well that's not so bad then.
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Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:30 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Verifiably false, he can always nominate Merrick Garland to SCOTUS.


Yes, because a centrist who has actively avoided making sweeping changes in policy from the bench would be the worst thign in the world. People act like he is some sort of hyper leftist. He is, at best, just left of center and is well regarded by legal professionals for being so damn boring in his opinions.


Yes. We need sweeping changes. Some status quo empty suit isn't helpful in the slightest, and he's a lefty to boot, so if he did make any stands they'd be wrong.
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Postby Seangoli » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:30 pm

Aclion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If by 'better for them' you mean better for the Democrats. Then yes. The Republicans needed to change. They did.

The fact that Democrats see this as cultishness will always confuse me.

I mean better for the Republicans. They have gained four years of presidential power, but at what cost?

Splitting the democrat party, and shedding neoconservativism.[/quote]

To put it bluntly, the Democrat party looks very similar to the Republican party circa 2012-2014. And look at em now. The Democrats rested on their laurels, and hoped the Republicans would eat themselves alive. But much like the Republicans, the ridiculous Democrat have already burned out.

And if you think the Republicans have shed neocons, you best be prepared to be sore when Trump is eventually gone.

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Postby Seangoli » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
Yes, because a centrist who has actively avoided making sweeping changes in policy from the bench would be the worst thign in the world. People act like he is some sort of hyper leftist. He is, at best, just left of center and is well regarded by legal professionals for being so damn boring in his opinions.


Yes. We need sweeping changes. Some status quo empty suit isn't helpful in the slightest, and he's a lefty to boot, so if he did make any stands they'd be wrong.


One of his dissents involved first Amendment protections to journalists and government coercion to force them to divulge sources.

If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.

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Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:34 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yes. We need sweeping changes. Some status quo empty suit isn't helpful in the slightest, and he's a lefty to boot, so if he did make any stands they'd be wrong.


One of his dissents involved first Amendment protections to journalists and government coercion to force them to divulge sources.

If that's wrong, I don't want to be right.


Indeed.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:36 pm

Aclion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I mean better for the Republicans. They have gained four years of presidential power, but at what cost?

Splitting the democrat party, and shedding neoconservativism.

Invigorating the opposition and having their own people sent to prison.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Aclion wrote:Splitting the democrat party, and shedding neoconservativism.

Invigorating the opposition and having their own people sent to prison.


Not really. The Democrats aren't invigorated. They're Hysteric. There's a difference.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:06 pm

Aaaand here's this asshole. State of the Union time. What's on your bingo card?


State of the Union is strong is the free space.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby The Wasatch » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:08 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Aaaand here's this asshole. State of the Union time. What's on your bingo card?


State of the Union is strong is the free space.

I wonder if it will be as entertaining as "American Carnage?"
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:10 pm

More like State of the Divide, amirite? :p

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:12 pm

"The state of our union is stronger than ever before..."


Is it?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:13 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Aaaand here's this asshole. State of the Union time. What's on your bingo card?


State of the Union is strong is the free space.


You think? How about "the State of the Union is Florida" for a little joke to start.

EDIT: Damn. I might have to watch it.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:13 pm

Who is this sloppy old dude with money sticking out where a handkerchief goes?
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:31 pm

12000 new factories are being built? Where?

401K plans have increased in value 60-100 %?

Of course space force....
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:33 pm

Every time they cut to the military guys they all look like they're going, "Cut away from us..."




"I want to look down on the world" is a super villain line.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:40 pm

Whenever Pelosi thinks something is lie or exaggeration she winces or shakes her head. Quite a lot of the time though she's just looking at her pad, she's not sure, or can't disagree.

She needs to take a tip from journalists and use a pen. "Make a note of that".

She's also made a few comments to Pence, once it was almost audible in the President's mic and Pence was pissed. Mostly he just smirks.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:40 pm

The only thing that's going to be more tedious than this blovating is going to be the inevitably awkward, halting, and poorly staged Democratic response because the responses to every state of the union are awkward, halting, and poorly staged. Usually with someone whose rise in the party is about to end in a ball of whatever it is they did that late night comedians make fun of for the next two days.

Fuck charter schools.

Oh, that's some stunting, right there. Give a kid a scholarship straight through the SOTU.

"No child should be forced to send their kid to a failing government school."

You could fund the sch-

"How is that going to make Betsy richer?"
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:40 pm

Trump thanked his wife, but he's still not done. Poor form!
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:41 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Whenever Pelosi thinks something is lie or exaggeration she winces or shakes her head. Quite a lot of the time though she's just looking at her pad, she's not sure, or can't disagree.

She needs to take a tip from journalists and use a pen. "Make a note of that".

She's also made a few comments to Pence, once it was almost audible in the President's mic and Pence was pissed. Mostly he just smirks.

I think she has a copy of the script and is checking it against what he actually said.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:44 pm

"We will never let socialism destroy American healthcare"
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:45 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:I think she has a copy of the script and is checking it against what he actually said.


Very plausible
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Postby Liriena » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:46 pm

lmao at all of congress cheering for Guaido, South America's #1 cuck
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:46 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:"We will never let socialism destroy American healthcare"

"If I have to abuse all my power to do it!"
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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