MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Telconi]

The difference comes in rather a person has a right to freely acquire something, and rather they have a right to recieve it unilaterally.

For example, the right to bear arms doesn't necessitate that each person receives a firearm courtesy of the public coffers. The right to healthcare, as presented here, does.

Because going into debt for a broken leg is a-ok.
If they didn't want to do that, better suck up to the insurance corporations, who will always look out for the consumer and never in a million years fuck over them in the name of more profits.

Glad to see you've understood none of what you replied to.

[Telconi]

Argue all you want about how it is or isn’t ok. It isn’t a right.

It isn't right now, but it should be. Mainly beacuse going into debt over healthcare should be avoided.

So should going into debt over ammunition, but I don't see my free box of ammo arriving anytime soon.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It isn't right now, but it should be. Mainly beacuse going into debt over healthcare should be avoided.

So should going into debt over ammunition, but I don't see my free box of ammo arriving anytime soon.

Having a broken leg is a bigger problem then getting more ammo.

Also broken leg treatments cost more than a box of ammo, so it would be extremely unlikely to go into major debt over ammo.

Because going into debt for a broken leg is a-ok.
If they didn't want to do that, better suck up to the insurance corporations, who will always look out for the consumer and never in a million years fuck over them in the name of more profits.

Glad to see you've understood none of what you replied to.

I understood it just fine.

[Telconi]

So should going into debt over ammunition, but I don't see my free box of ammo arriving anytime soon.

Having a broken leg is a bigger problem then getting more ammo.

Also broken leg treatments cost more than a box of ammo, so it would be extremely unlikely to go into major debt over ammo.

Glad to see you've understood none of what you replied to.

I understood it just fine.

That's your opinion, and is thus not important.

Yeah, but I need a shitload more than one box of ammo.

And if you did in fact understand it, do you care to actually address it? Or are we just going to make non-sequiter posts?

[Chernoslavia]

So should going into debt over ammunition, but I don't see my free box of ammo arriving anytime soon.

Having a broken leg is a bigger problem then getting more ammo.

Also broken leg treatments cost more than a box of ammo, so it would be extremely unlikely to go into major debt over ammo.

Glad to see you've understood none of what you replied to.

I understood it just fine.

Not to those with an ammo problem and no broken legs.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Having a broken leg is a bigger problem then getting more ammo.

Also broken leg treatments cost more than a box of ammo, so it would be extremely unlikely to go into major debt over ammo.


I understood it just fine.

That's your opinion, and is thus not important.

Yeah, but I need a shitload more than one box of ammo.

And if you did in fact understand it, do you care to actually address it? Or are we just going to make non-sequiter posts?

>goes on political form
>calls other peoples opinions non important

Not sure how to address a non problem.

Oh no, the government is helping the sick feel better, why aren't they giving me free guns and ammo?

Having a broken leg is a bigger problem then getting more ammo.

Also broken leg treatments cost more than a box of ammo, so it would be extremely unlikely to go into major debt over ammo.


I understood it just fine.

Not to those with an ammo problem and no broken legs.

Having no ammo: "oh no I can't go to the shooting range or go hunting, guess I will have to post pone those two activities until I get more money to get ammo"

Having a broken leg: "I can't walk and am in extreme pain"

[Gormwood]

That's your opinion, and is thus not important.

Yeah, but I need a shitload more than one box of ammo.

And if you did in fact understand it, do you care to actually address it? Or are we just going to make non-sequiter posts?

>goes on political form
>calls other peoples opinions non important

Not sure how to address a non problem.

Oh no, the government is helping the sick feel better, why aren't they giving me free guns and ammo?

The free guns and ammo are for using equine medicine techniques, silly.

[Chernoslavia]

That's your opinion, and is thus not important.

Yeah, but I need a shitload more than one box of ammo.

And if you did in fact understand it, do you care to actually address it? Or are we just going to make non-sequiter posts?

>goes on political form
>calls other peoples opinions non important

Not sure how to address a non problem.

Oh no, the government is helping the sick feel better, why aren't they giving me free guns and ammo?

Not to those with an ammo problem and no broken legs.

Having no ammo: "oh no I can't go to the shooting range or go hunting, guess I will have to post pone those two activities until I get more money to get ammo"

Having a broken leg: "I can't walk and am in extreme pain"

So you care just care about one “right” then and not another.

[Telconi]

That's your opinion, and is thus not important.

Yeah, but I need a shitload more than one box of ammo.

And if you did in fact understand it, do you care to actually address it? Or are we just going to make non-sequiter posts?

>goes on political form
>calls other peoples opinions non important

Not sure how to address a non problem.

Oh no, the government is helping the sick feel better, why aren't they giving me free guns and ammo?

Not to those with an ammo problem and no broken legs.

Having no ammo: "oh no I can't go to the shooting range or go hunting, guess I will have to post pone those two activities until I get more money to get ammo"

Having a broken leg: "I can't walk and am in extreme pain"

I didn't say other people's opinions weren't important, I said yours weren't. I'm sure you're capable of forming opinions worth something if you tried hard enough.

[Telconi]

>goes on political form
>calls other peoples opinions non important

Not sure how to address a non problem.

Oh no, the government is helping the sick feel better, why aren't they giving me free guns and ammo?



Having no ammo: "oh no I can't go to the shooting range or go hunting, guess I will have to post pone those two activities until I get more money to get ammo"

Having a broken leg: "I can't walk and am in extreme pain"

So you care just care about one “right” then and not another.

Problems which afflict other people don't seem particularly important to him.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

>goes on political form
>calls other peoples opinions non important

Not sure how to address a non problem.

Oh no, the government is helping the sick feel better, why aren't they giving me free guns and ammo?



Having no ammo: "oh no I can't go to the shooting range or go hunting, guess I will have to post pone those two activities until I get more money to get ammo"

Having a broken leg: "I can't walk and am in extreme pain"

So you care just care about one “right” then and not another.

I care about both.

Personally, as long as you are sane (eg: not planning on shooting up a place) you can have all the guns you want.

However, universal healthcare of mind and body comes first and both should be considered human rights.

Guns to defend your property and yourself, healthcare to heal the population and get insane people better to the point where they are fully recovered. Then they can be trusted with a gun.

[Telconi]

So you care just care about one “right” then and not another.

I care about both.

Personally, as long as you are sane (eg: not planning on shooting up a place) you can have all the guns you want.

However, universal healthcare of mind and body comes first and both should be considered human rights.

Guns to defend your property and yourself, healthcare to heal the population and get insane people better to the point where they are fully recovered. Then they can be trusted with a gun.

So why is the idea of state funded arms a problem?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

>goes on political form
>calls other peoples opinions non important

Not sure how to address a non problem.

Oh no, the government is helping the sick feel better, why aren't they giving me free guns and ammo?



Having no ammo: "oh no I can't go to the shooting range or go hunting, guess I will have to post pone those two activities until I get more money to get ammo"

Having a broken leg: "I can't walk and am in extreme pain"

I didn't say other people's opinions weren't important, I said yours weren't. I'm sure you're capable of forming opinions worth something if you tried hard enough.

Cool ad hominem.

So you care just care about one “right” then and not another.

Problems which afflict other people don't seem particularly important to him.

Again an attack on my character and not the post.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Take your communistic bullshittery elsewhere.

“Everything I don’t like is communist” is what this amounts to.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I care about both.

Personally, as long as you are sane (eg: not planning on shooting up a place) you can have all the guns you want.

However, universal healthcare of mind and body comes first and both should be considered human rights.

Guns to defend your property and yourself, healthcare to heal the population and get insane people better to the point where they are fully recovered. Then they can be trusted with a gun.

So why is the idea of state funded arms a problem?

When did I call it a problem? I called it a non issue.

Hey if free healthcare for america means everyone gets a gun I can compromise.

[Telconi]

I didn't say other people's opinions weren't important, I said yours weren't. I'm sure you're capable of forming opinions worth something if you tried hard enough.

Cool ad hominem.

Problems which afflict other people don't seem particularly important to him.

Again an attack on my character and not the post.

I did attack the post, specifically it's utter failure to address the issue at hand. If such a failure doesn't reflect on you as a person, you're welcome to rectify that situation.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

So why is the idea of state funded arms a problem?

When did I call it a problem? I called it a non issue.

Hey if free healthcare for america means everyone gets a gun I can compromise.

Do I get to choose what gun I want?

[Telconi]

So why is the idea of state funded arms a problem?

When did I call it a problem? I called it a non issue.

Hey if free healthcare for america means everyone gets a gun I can compromise.

Okay, why is it not an issue?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Cool ad hominem.

Again an attack on my character and not the post.

I did attack the post, specifically it's utter failure to address the issue at hand. If such a failure doesn't reflect on you as a person, you're welcome to rectify that situation.

Except you know, that's not what you said and you attacked my character and motivations in your post.

When did I call it a problem? I called it a non issue.

Hey if free healthcare for america means everyone gets a gun I can compromise.

Do I get to choose what gun I want?

Go for it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

When did I call it a problem? I called it a non issue.

Hey if free healthcare for america means everyone gets a gun I can compromise.

Okay, why is it not an issue?

Because if we are on this train of logic, we might as well give the populus free arms as well as free healthcare.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Moving to the United States is not a human right. We have a right, like every other nation, to have a secure border and decide who can and can't come into the country.

When bang-bangs are somehow a human right but healthcare and safe asylum aren't.

Asylum is a human right even in the US since the US is signatory to treaties. You had a valid point there and notice how no-one is arguing against it.

But no, you couldn't resist baiting them with guns too. And look what happened.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Okay, why is it not an issue?

Because if we are on this train of logic, we might as well give the populus free arms as well as free healthcare.

I'm OK with that. I might even accept one myself.

[Telconi]

Okay, why is it not an issue?

Because if we are on this train of logic, we might as well give the populus free arms as well as free healthcare.

Which doesn't explain why one is an issue and not the other.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

When bang-bangs are somehow a human right but healthcare and safe asylum aren't.

Asylum is a human right even in the US since the US is signatory to treaties. You had a valid point there and notice how no-one is arguing against it.

But no, you couldn't resist baiting them with guns too. And look what happened.

Hey, if it would give people the mental health care they need to be stable and happy enough to not go around shooting people, giving free guns to people would no longer need to be a problem.

Now we would need for the US to undergo massive social changes to spot, administer aid and, get mentally unstable people the help they need.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Do I get to choose what gun I want?

Go for it.

Nice