MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Chernoslavia]

Because they aren’t.

K. Too much edge for me.

Not an argument. Try again.

[Asherahan]

K. Too much edge for me.

Not an argument. Try again.

Trying to explain that healthcare and asylum are human rights to someone who doesn't know that they part of the declaration of human rights is an object lesson in futility.

[Chernoslavia]

Not an argument. Try again.

Trying to explain that healthcare and asylum are human rights to someone who doesn't know that they part of the declaration of human rights is an object lesson in futility.

According to who? The fucking UN? The same intergovernmental organization that tried to remove another human right? Lol.

Cry all you want about how having anything handed to you all you want but the fact of the matter is nobody is obligated to hand you anything much less for free.

[Gormwood]

Not an argument. Try again.

Trying to explain that healthcare and asylum are human rights to someone who doesn't know that they part of the declaration of human rights is an object lesson in futility.

So is trying to explain it to anyone that actually believes a device used most often for ending human lives is an actual human right and things which prolongue human lives such as healthcare and shelter aren't even human rights. It's an unhealthy idolatry.

[Chernoslavia]

Trying to explain that healthcare and asylum are human rights to someone who doesn't know that they part of the declaration of human rights is an object lesson in futility.

So is trying to explain it to anyone that actually believes a device used most often for ending human lives is an actual human right and things which prolongue human lives such as healthcare and shelter aren't even human rights. It's an unhealthy idolatry.

And as per usual Gauth hasnt the slightest clue about the things he argues about.....

The right to bear arms is a fundamental human right, that does not mean that someone has to give you a firearm. Receiving goods or services for free from someone isn’t. Rights are not supposed to impede or violate other people’s rights. Take your communistic bullshittery elsewhere.

[Gormwood]

So is trying to explain it to anyone that actually believes a device used most often for ending human lives is an actual human right and things which prolongue human lives such as healthcare and shelter aren't even human rights. It's an unhealthy idolatry.

And as per usual Gauth hasnt the slightest clue about the things he argues about.....

The right to bear arms is a fundamental human right, that does not mean that someone has to give you a firearm. Receiving goods or services for free from someone isn’t. Rights are not supposed to impede or violate other people’s rights. Take your communistic bullshittery elsewhere.

So how exactly does healthcare violate other people's rights? And frankly, Zardoz is supposed to be a hokey sci fi movie, not a sad philosophy in reality.

[Vassenor]

So is trying to explain it to anyone that actually believes a device used most often for ending human lives is an actual human right and things which prolongue human lives such as healthcare and shelter aren't even human rights. It's an unhealthy idolatry.

And as per usual Gauth hasnt the slightest clue about the things he argues about.....

The right to bear arms is a fundamental human right, that does not mean that someone has to give you a firearm. Receiving goods or services for free from someone isn’t. Rights are not supposed to impede or violate other people’s rights. Take your communistic bullshittery elsewhere.

Ain't no mention of a right to bear arms in the UDHR, matey.

[Chernoslavia]

And as per usual Gauth hasnt the slightest clue about the things he argues about.....

The right to bear arms is a fundamental human right, that does not mean that someone has to give you a firearm. Receiving goods or services for free from someone isn’t. Rights are not supposed to impede or violate other people’s rights. Take your communistic bullshittery elsewhere.

So how exactly does healthcare violate other people's rights? And frankly, Zardoz is supposed to be a hokey sci fi movie, not a sad philosophy in reality.

Healthcare itself doesn’t violate other people’s rights, you have a right to receive healthcare in that no one should forcefully prevent you from trying to seek treatment. Mandating that people pay for your healthcare is the opposite of that.

[Valrifell]

I can dig an argument that boom sticks are a right to havex but if you hold that belief and that the right to healthcare and safe asylum aren't then how do you even justify that.

Someone please make it make sense, thanks.

[Chernoslavia]

And as per usual Gauth hasnt the slightest clue about the things he argues about.....

The right to bear arms is a fundamental human right, that does not mean that someone has to give you a firearm. Receiving goods or services for free from someone isn’t. Rights are not supposed to impede or violate other people’s rights. Take your communistic bullshittery elsewhere.

Ain't no mention of a right to bear arms in the UDHR, matey.

I don’t give a rat’s ass what the UDHR considers a right. “Matey.”

[The Black Forrest]

So how exactly does healthcare violate other people's rights? And frankly, Zardoz is supposed to be a hokey sci fi movie, not a sad philosophy in reality.

Healthcare itself doesn’t violate other people’s rights, you have a right to receive healthcare in that no one should forcefully prevent you from trying to seek treatment. Mandating that people pay for your healthcare is the opposite of that.

*shrugs* I am ok with your being forced to chip in to the health care pot.

[Valrifell]

So how exactly does healthcare violate other people's rights? And frankly, Zardoz is supposed to be a hokey sci fi movie, not a sad philosophy in reality.

Healthcare itself doesn’t violate other people’s rights, you have a right to receive healthcare in that no one should forcefully prevent you from trying to seek treatment. Mandating that people pay for your healthcare is the opposite of that.

I don't know how to tell you this but taxes are valid.

[Gormwood]

I can dig an argument that boom sticks are a right to havex but if you hold that belief and that the right to healthcare and safe asylum aren't then how do you even justify that.

Someone please make it make sense, thanks.

Obviously if you haz a boomstick you can get healthcare and safe asylum by boomstickpoint. Checkmate, libs.

[Chernoslavia]

Healthcare itself doesn’t violate other people’s rights, you have a right to receive healthcare in that no one should forcefully prevent you from trying to seek treatment. Mandating that people pay for your healthcare is the opposite of that.

*shrugs* I am ok with your being forced to chip in to the health care pot.

W/e. But don’t call it a right, because it isn’t. I know taxes are never going to go away but to consider taking other people’s possessions a “right”. Is a very authoritarian thing to say.

[Gormwood]

Healthcare itself doesn’t violate other people’s rights, you have a right to receive healthcare in that no one should forcefully prevent you from trying to seek treatment. Mandating that people pay for your healthcare is the opposite of that.

I don't know how to tell you this but taxes are valid.

"TAXATION IS THEFT" in 3... 2... 1...

[Chernoslavia]

Healthcare itself doesn’t violate other people’s rights, you have a right to receive healthcare in that no one should forcefully prevent you from trying to seek treatment. Mandating that people pay for your healthcare is the opposite of that.

I don't know how to tell you this but taxes are valid.

Whether it’s “valid” or not is another argument but it isn’t a right.

[Telconi]

Healthcare itself doesn’t violate other people’s rights, you have a right to receive healthcare in that no one should forcefully prevent you from trying to seek treatment. Mandating that people pay for your healthcare is the opposite of that.

*shrugs* I am ok with your being forced to chip in to the health care pot.

Different people are okay with many different things, not all of them good.

[Valrifell]

I don't know how to tell you this but taxes are valid.

Whether it’s “valid” or not is another argument but it isn’t a right.

Governments have a right to levy tax, it's part of the social contract. They've also been apart of every human society and are inextricably linked to civilization.

[Telconi]

I can dig an argument that boom sticks are a right to havex but if you hold that belief and that the right to healthcare and safe asylum aren't then how do you even justify that.

Someone please make it make sense, thanks.

The difference comes in rather a person has a right to freely acquire something, and rather they have a right to recieve it unilaterally.

For example, the right to bear arms doesn't necessitate that each person receives a firearm courtesy of the public coffers. The right to healthcare, as presented here, does.

[Chernoslavia]

Whether it’s “valid” or not is another argument but it isn’t a right.

Governments have a right to levy tax, it's part of the social contract. They've also been apart of every human society and are inextricably linked to civilization.

Government sponsored murder along with other atrocious things has also been a part of everyday human society and considered part of the social contract but no one would consider those a right.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

When bang-bangs are somehow a human right but healthcare and safe asylum aren't.

Because they aren’t.

I, too love a healthcare system that leaves millions of people in debt and spending so much money that you add more to the US debt on a useless wall while children are in hot cages.

Whats that? Giving ICE the proper tools to facilitate massive amounts of people? Nah, rather go in to debt on a wall while our people desperately need universal healthcare.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I can dig an argument that boom sticks are a right to havex but if you hold that belief and that the right to healthcare and safe asylum aren't then how do you even justify that.

Someone please make it make sense, thanks.

The difference comes in rather a person has a right to freely acquire something, and rather they have a right to recieve it unilaterally.

For example, the right to bear arms doesn't necessitate that each person receives a firearm courtesy of the public coffers. The right to healthcare, as presented here, does.

Because going into debt for a broken leg is a-ok.
If they didn't want to do that, better suck up to the insurance corporations, who will always look out for the consumer and never in a million years fuck over them in the name of more profits.

[Gormwood]

The difference comes in rather a person has a right to freely acquire something, and rather they have a right to recieve it unilaterally.

For example, the right to bear arms doesn't necessitate that each person receives a firearm courtesy of the public coffers. The right to healthcare, as presented here, does.

Because going into debt for a broken leg is a-ok.
If they didn't want to do that, better suck up to the insurance corporations, who will always look out for the consumer and never in a million years fuck over them in the name of more profits.

Pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps are just liberal propaganda, silly.

[Chernoslavia]

The difference comes in rather a person has a right to freely acquire something, and rather they have a right to recieve it unilaterally.

For example, the right to bear arms doesn't necessitate that each person receives a firearm courtesy of the public coffers. The right to healthcare, as presented here, does.

Because going into debt for a broken leg is a-ok.
If they didn't want to do that, better suck up to the insurance corporations, who will always look out for the consumer and never in a million years fuck over them in the name of more profits.

Argue all you want about how it is or isn’t ok. It isn’t a right.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Because going into debt for a broken leg is a-ok.
If they didn't want to do that, better suck up to the insurance corporations, who will always look out for the consumer and never in a million years fuck over them in the name of more profits.

Argue all you want about how it is or isn’t ok. It isn’t a right.

It isn't right now, but it should be. Mainly beacuse going into debt over healthcare should be avoided.