MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[Thermodolia]

No. I’m actually legitimately serious about a environmental national service system

I have no doubt that you do legitimately want such a thing to exist. But it doesn't, and you're not in any position to bring it about, and this thread is about Donald Trump.

I can still offer plans to fix things. I’m not in a position yet

[LRON]

No. I’m actually legitimately serious about a environmental national service system

I have no doubt that you do legitimately want such a thing to exist. But it doesn't, and you're not in any position to bring it about, and this thread is about Donald Trump.

When being beaten, divert attention away from the conversation at hand, whilst also being dismissive; classic move! Something used to emphasize to some of the people I worked for back in the day!

[Ifreann]

I have no doubt that you do legitimately want such a thing to exist. But it doesn't, and you're not in any position to bring it about, and this thread is about Donald Trump.

I can still offer plans to fix things. I’m not in a position yet

Try tweeting @realdonaldtrump, maybe he'll listen.

[Neutraligon]

Three Mile Island and Fukushima are celebrations of science now?

How many people died at 3 mile island?

No cheating with google.

I believe the answer is 0.

[The Alma Mater]

Three Mile Island and Fukushima are celebrations of science now?

How many people died at 3 mile island?

No cheating with google.

We don't know. Cancer spiked in the region afterwards, but a direct link was never proven.

[The of Korea]

How many people died at 3 mile island?

No cheating with google.

We don't know. Cancer spiked in the region afterwards, but a direct link was never proven.

hmm a hard choice, a few indirect deaths or hundreds of thousands of deaths a year from pollution.

[LRON]

We don't know. Cancer spiked in the region afterwards, but a direct link was never proven.

hmm a hard choice, a few indirect deaths or hundreds of thousands of deaths a year from pollution.

And the untold hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions, that will be lost because of climate change!

[Galloism]

How many people died at 3 mile island?

No cheating with google.

I believe the answer is 0.

That is the correct answer.

[LRON]

The question you should be asking yourselves is how you can make money off of the adaptations we will need in the future. That is the shortcoming of a lot of my fellows - they'd rather not seek to reap the rewards of the future world and bury their heads in the sand pretending like the world we have today will last forever. It's a shame really. A well. I however seek to create a nice fortune and the power that comes with it.

[The of Korea]

hmm a hard choice, a few indirect deaths or hundreds of thousands of deaths a year from pollution.

And the untold hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions, that will be lost because of climate change!

Indeed. Phasing out nuclear for coal (which is what Germany is doing rn) is one of the stupidest ideas ever conceived. Nuclear and renewables should both be greatly expanded, and coal phased out completely, from electricity generation.

[The East Marches II]

If you actually do it and they grow to maturity they would pretty much solve global warming as they would remove close to 1 trillion tons of CO2 a year.

Just because it might take some time isn’t a reason to not get started. In fact it’s a perfect excuse to start now.

There are rather a lot of problems with this: firstly, that we'll get fucked over long before they get to that point. Secondly, that trees remove essentially zero CO2 long-term: they just store it for a century or so. 30 years ago, mass-scale tree planting to delay global warming while we got a proper solution online would have been reasonable. At this point, just like everything else that isn't "stop putting so much fucking CO2 in the atmosphere, like now", it's mostly just a distraction to avoid having to make actually hard decisions.

So the West needs to start crippling the industrialization of the poor countries? I hope you're ready for the cries of racism.

[LRON]

There are rather a lot of problems with this: firstly, that we'll get fucked over long before they get to that point. Secondly, that trees remove essentially zero CO2 long-term: they just store it for a century or so. 30 years ago, mass-scale tree planting to delay global warming while we got a proper solution online would have been reasonable. At this point, just like everything else that isn't "stop putting so much fucking CO2 in the atmosphere, like now", it's mostly just a distraction to avoid having to make actually hard decisions.

So the West needs to start crippling the industrialization of the poor countries? I hope you're ready for the cries of racism.

I think it's rather inevitable that they will be crippled. And in doing so they will often be willing to pay top dollar for a better place. And because they will also often be more used to more...brutal I guess you can say political systems a lot easier to work them into your own personal power structure. Better yet, give them a better deal than the people in the West. Use them as sort of an enforcement arm.

[Gormwood]

How many people died at 3 mile island?

No cheating with google.

I believe the answer is 0.

Does that mean Three Mile Island has to be dismissed as a nonevent?

[The East Marches II]

I believe the answer is 0.

Does that mean Three Mile Island has to be dismissed as a nonevent?

It should be. Those whinning about nuclear being so evil or complaining about dumb tortoise in Nevada which is crippling our ability to build solar are the greatest enemies of trying to solve this situation at least in the West.

[Nakena]

Does that mean Three Mile Island has to be dismissed as a nonevent?

It should be. Those whinning about nuclear being so evil or complaining about dumb tortoise in Nevada which is crippling our ability to build solar are the greatest enemies of trying to solve this situation at least in the West.

Without it global warming will likely grill the tortoise into a nice BBQ.

[Galloism]

I believe the answer is 0.

Does that mean Three Mile Island has to be dismissed as a nonevent?

In the grand scheme of things, it was an event that was exceptionally mild and doesn't really make any kind of a case against nuclear power.

Wind is more deadly than nuclear, and that's not even a meme.

In England, there were 163 wind turbine accidents that killed 14 people in 2011. Wind produced about 15 billion kWhrs that year, so using a capacity factor of 25%, that translates to about 1,000 deaths per trillion kWhrs produced (the world produces 15 trillion kWhrs per year from all sources).


These are pretty low numbers. By contrast, in 2011 coal produced about 180 billion kWhrs in England with about 3,000 related deaths. Nuclear energy produced over 90 billion kWhrs in England with no deaths. In that same year, America produced about 800 billion kWhrs from nuclear with no deaths.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca ... 50fdcb5467

Functionally, it's basically a nonevent. That doesn't mean we do China and erase it from ever happening, but it killed literally no one - nuclear is literally the safest form of power in existence, including renewables.

[Neutraligon]

I believe the answer is 0.

Does that mean Three Mile Island has to be dismissed as a nonevent?

Nope, it should be and is studied by engineers (hell it was talked about in my firs year engineering class) on what went wrong and possible improvements (in that first year class these focused on human factor improvements rather then anything to do with nuclear engineering. I am pretty certain nuclear engineers look much deeper into it in their specific classes. It should also be looked at as somewhat of a success since a true meltdown did not occur and safety measures did help in preventing that. In other words, it is a learning experience for engineers and pretty much a non-issue for non-engineers.

[The East Marches II]

It should be. Those whinning about nuclear being so evil or complaining about dumb tortoise in Nevada which is crippling our ability to build solar are the greatest enemies of trying to solve this situation at least in the West.

Without it global warming will likely grill the tortoise into a nice BBQ.

You are right, that's what makes it all the more insane and laughable.

[Galloism]

Without it global warming will likely grill the tortoise into a nice BBQ.

You are right, that's what makes it all the more insane and laughable.

Tbh, I think it's a fear of things we don't understand - a typical human reaction, incidentally.

Most people can explain how wind, coal, natural gas, and hydroelectric work at a basic level. We either burn it to turn a turbine or let it flow to turn a turbine, turbine = power.

But they can't basically explain how nuclear works, so they're afraid of it. Because they have no idea how it produces power. And don't know = afraid.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

But they can't basically explain how nuclear works, so they're afraid of it. Because they have no idea how it produces power. And don't know = afraid.

It's basically like oil fired power plants in that it boils water which drives a turbine generator, only that we aren't dealing with chemical energy based fuels here, heat is produced by the splitting of atoms.
Hmm... maybe we should sell nuclear to Trump like this. Tell him instead of burning coal we could burn big beautiful uranium atoms with vastly increased efficiency.

[The of Korea]

But they can't basically explain how nuclear works, so they're afraid of it. Because they have no idea how it produces power. And don't know = afraid.

It's basically like oil fired power plants in that it boils water which drives a turbine generator, only that we aren't dealing with chemical energy based fuels here, heat is produced by the splitting of atoms.
Hmm... maybe we should sell nuclear to Trump like this. Tell him instead of burning coal we could burn big beautiful uranium atoms with vastly increased efficiency.

yes!, only problem is is that the democrats will even further be anti nuclear a a result, which will be real sad.

[Galloism]

But they can't basically explain how nuclear works, so they're afraid of it. Because they have no idea how it produces power. And don't know = afraid.

It's basically like oil fired power plants in that it boils water which drives a turbine generator, only that we aren't dealing with chemical energy based fuels here, heat is produced by the splitting of atoms.
Hmm... maybe we should sell nuclear to Trump like this. Tell him instead of burning coal we could burn big beautiful uranium atoms with vastly increased efficiency.

I mean, "burning" doesn't really apply. I get how it works, but I think the vast majority of people don't.

[Vassenor]

You are right, that's what makes it all the more insane and laughable.

Tbh, I think it's a fear of things we don't understand - a typical human reaction, incidentally.

Most people can explain how wind, coal, natural gas, and hydroelectric work at a basic level. We either burn it to turn a turbine or let it flow to turn a turbine, turbine = power.

But they can't basically explain how nuclear works, so they're afraid of it. Because they have no idea how it produces power. And don't know = afraid.

Right, and it has nothing to do with all the times it's gone wrong with devastating effects. It must just be because they're too stupid to understand it.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Tbh, I think it's a fear of things we don't understand - a typical human reaction, incidentally.

Most people can explain how wind, coal, natural gas, and hydroelectric work at a basic level. We either burn it to turn a turbine or let it flow to turn a turbine, turbine = power.

But they can't basically explain how nuclear works, so they're afraid of it. Because they have no idea how it produces power. And don't know = afraid.

Right, and it has nothing to do with all the times it's gone wrong with devastating effects. It must just be because they're too stupid to understand it.

Speaking of devastating effects...
How many times has thermal power plants exploded even in Russia/USSR? And how many times has nuclear reactors exploded in Russia/USSR - the worst country for nuclear safety records? I'll tell you, once. Chernobyl.

[The of Korea]

Tbh, I think it's a fear of things we don't understand - a typical human reaction, incidentally.

Most people can explain how wind, coal, natural gas, and hydroelectric work at a basic level. We either burn it to turn a turbine or let it flow to turn a turbine, turbine = power.

But they can't basically explain how nuclear works, so they're afraid of it. Because they have no idea how it produces power. And don't know = afraid.

Right, and it has nothing to do with all the times it's gone wrong with devastating effects. It must just be because they're too stupid to understand it.

lets take Chernobyl, since everyone who hates nuclear points to it. Chernobyl was a horrible disaster, but it was mainly to the faulty design of the RKMB Type reactors that made such a catastrophic event not only possible, but likely to happen at some point. The west does not use these reactor types, and infact there are certain designs that cannot meltdown, though these are more expensive. Newer plants are extremely safe compared to other forms of electricity generation. Fukushima was an old plant located in a horrible location that had EVERYTHING go wrong for it. It is a one time event that wont likely happen again now that we learned from it, and a reminder that it, like 3 mile island, caused 0 direct deaths.