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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:00 am

Army general declines to reinstate Special Forces tab to officer pardoned by Trump

By Dan Lamothe

January 9, 2020 at 5:11 PM EST

An Army general has denied a request by an officer pardoned in an open murder case by President Trump to have his Special Forces tab reinstated, setting up a potential flash point with the commander in chief.

The decoration for retired Army Maj. Mathew L. Golsteyn was denied Dec. 3 by Lt. Gen. Francis M. Beaudette, the commander of U.S. Army Special Operations Command, the Army disclosed Thursday. Beaudette’s decision is not final, and the service said in a statement that it will next have an administrative panel consider whether it should reinstate the Special Forces tab and a Distinguished Service Cross — the U.S. military’s ­second-highest valor award — and expunge a letter of reprimand Golsteyn received in connection with his case.

Golsteyn was awaiting trial this year in the alleged murder of a suspected Taliban bombmaker in Marja, Afghanistan, in February 2010. The service opened an investigation into Golsteyn after he disclosed the killing during a 2011 polygraph as the CIA was considering him for a job. Army officials revoked the tab and valor award in 2014 while issuing the reprimand and charged Golsteyn with murder in 2018.

Golsteyn has acknowledged the killing in media interviews but said it occurred in a lawful ambush. He burned the body afterward to prevent disease, he said.

The general’s denial of Golsteyn’s reinstatement request follows Trump’s decision in November to pardon Golsteyn along with former 1st Lt. Clint Lorance, an Army officer who had been convicted of murder in Afghanistan. Trump also decided to reinstate the rank of a Navy SEAL, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, who was acquitted of murder last year but convicted of posing for a photo with the corpse of an Islamic State fighter in Iraq.

Golsteyn, reached for comment Thursday evening, said he had not heard about the decision until it was first reported by The Washington Post. A few minutes later, he and his lawyer, Phil Stackhouse, said they received notification from the Army in an emailed letter that had just arrived.

“I’m disappointed, but I’m not surprised,” Golsteyn said. “I was really hoping they would do the right thing.”

Beaudette’s decision has some parallels to the Navy’s decision in November to convene a board to decide whether to revoke Gallagher’s Naval Special Warfare Trident pin, a move that effectively would remove him from the elite force. Trump responded angrily, blocking the move, a decision that led to the ouster of Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer.

Beaudette, in a Dec. 3 memorandum, wrote that he decided to deny Golsteyn’s request because his actions “demonstrated a lack of adherence to the Special Forces Creed, and our American and Army values.”

The general added that Army Special Operations Command “explicitly adhered to the Presidential Pardon.” He did not respond to a request for comment Thursday evening.

The memorandum was included in a notification Golsteyn received Thursday evening from Casey Wardynski, a civilian Army official overseeing manpower issues. He wrote that he had forwarded Golsteyn’s requests to the administrative board, called the Army Board for Correction of Military Records.

The board of correction comprises senior civilian employees in the Army who are appointed by the Army secretary. About 120 people serve as members of the board, with three-member panels considering individual cases.

Senior Pentagon officials have handled the Golsteyn issue carefully, in light of Trump’s intervention in the Gallagher case. Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper, when asked about it last month, said that he would not comment.

Golsteyn has expressed gratitude for Trump’s intervention. In December, he and Lorance appeared with the president at a closed-door Republican fundraiser in Miami.

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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:06 am

Gormwood wrote:Army general declines to reinstate Special Forces tab to officer pardoned by Trump

By Dan Lamothe

January 9, 2020 at 5:11 PM EST

An Army general has denied a request by an officer pardoned in an open murder case by President Trump to have his Special Forces tab reinstated, setting up a potential flash point with the commander in chief.

The decoration for retired Army Maj. Mathew L. Golsteyn was denied Dec. 3 by Lt. Gen. Francis M. Beaudette, the commander of U.S. Army Special Operations Command, the Army disclosed Thursday. Beaudette’s decision is not final, and the service said in a statement that it will next have an administrative panel consider whether it should reinstate the Special Forces tab and a Distinguished Service Cross — the U.S. military’s ­second-highest valor award — and expunge a letter of reprimand Golsteyn received in connection with his case.

Golsteyn was awaiting trial this year in the alleged murder of a suspected Taliban bombmaker in Marja, Afghanistan, in February 2010. The service opened an investigation into Golsteyn after he disclosed the killing during a 2011 polygraph as the CIA was considering him for a job. Army officials revoked the tab and valor award in 2014 while issuing the reprimand and charged Golsteyn with murder in 2018.

Golsteyn has acknowledged the killing in media interviews but said it occurred in a lawful ambush. He burned the body afterward to prevent disease, he said.

The general’s denial of Golsteyn’s reinstatement request follows Trump’s decision in November to pardon Golsteyn along with former 1st Lt. Clint Lorance, an Army officer who had been convicted of murder in Afghanistan. Trump also decided to reinstate the rank of a Navy SEAL, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, who was acquitted of murder last year but convicted of posing for a photo with the corpse of an Islamic State fighter in Iraq.

Golsteyn, reached for comment Thursday evening, said he had not heard about the decision until it was first reported by The Washington Post. A few minutes later, he and his lawyer, Phil Stackhouse, said they received notification from the Army in an emailed letter that had just arrived.

“I’m disappointed, but I’m not surprised,” Golsteyn said. “I was really hoping they would do the right thing.”

Beaudette’s decision has some parallels to the Navy’s decision in November to convene a board to decide whether to revoke Gallagher’s Naval Special Warfare Trident pin, a move that effectively would remove him from the elite force. Trump responded angrily, blocking the move, a decision that led to the ouster of Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer.

Beaudette, in a Dec. 3 memorandum, wrote that he decided to deny Golsteyn’s request because his actions “demonstrated a lack of adherence to the Special Forces Creed, and our American and Army values.”

The general added that Army Special Operations Command “explicitly adhered to the Presidential Pardon.” He did not respond to a request for comment Thursday evening.

The memorandum was included in a notification Golsteyn received Thursday evening from Casey Wardynski, a civilian Army official overseeing manpower issues. He wrote that he had forwarded Golsteyn’s requests to the administrative board, called the Army Board for Correction of Military Records.

The board of correction comprises senior civilian employees in the Army who are appointed by the Army secretary. About 120 people serve as members of the board, with three-member panels considering individual cases.

Senior Pentagon officials have handled the Golsteyn issue carefully, in light of Trump’s intervention in the Gallagher case. Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper, when asked about it last month, said that he would not comment.

Golsteyn has expressed gratitude for Trump’s intervention. In December, he and Lorance appeared with the president at a closed-door Republican fundraiser in Miami.

In addition to his strongman adoration, Donny seems to have this thing for pardoning war criminals for murdering brown people.

What’s wrong with killing Taliban bomb makers?
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:17 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Army general declines to reinstate Special Forces tab to officer pardoned by Trump


In addition to his strongman adoration, Donny seems to have this thing for pardoning war criminals for murdering brown people.

What’s wrong with killing Taliban bomb makers?

You should ask the Army that since they brought up charges.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:20 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Gormwood wrote:
In addition to his strongman adoration, Donny seems to have this thing for pardoning war criminals for murdering brown people.

What’s wrong with killing Taliban bomb makers?


That could be good (killing in combat) or it could be bad (killing a prisoner). We should leave it to a court martial to decide NOT have the President step in. Particularly this President whose judgement is about as reliable as furniture made of snot.

Frankly the power of pardon should not apply at all to crimes which haven't been tried (let alone appealed).
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:21 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Army general declines to reinstate Special Forces tab to officer pardoned by Trump


In addition to his strongman adoration, Donny seems to have this thing for pardoning war criminals for murdering brown people.

What’s wrong with killing Taliban bomb makers?

There's a lot wrong with taking prisoners off-base and executing them and burning the body, whether they're a Taliban bomb-maker or an innocent person.
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Postby Page » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:45 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Army general declines to reinstate Special Forces tab to officer pardoned by Trump


In addition to his strongman adoration, Donny seems to have this thing for pardoning war criminals for murdering brown people.

What’s wrong with killing Taliban bomb makers?


When they're shooting at you, nothing. When they're disarmed, captured, and helpless, that's called murder.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:10 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51063149 he's unhappy again White House staffers...

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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:20 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51063149 he's unhappy again White House staffers...

Trump: "Waaaaaaaa I Want A Nobel Prize!!"

Now we just need someone to Tweet a pic of Obama holding his Nobel Prize. That'll set Donny off.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:24 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51063149 he's unhappy again White House staffers...


Haha. Nobel committee should make him joint recipient with Abiy Ahmed. See how he likes that.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:25 am

Gormwood wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51063149 he's unhappy again White House staffers...

Trump: "Waaaaaaaa I Want A Nobel Prize!!"

Now we just need someone to Tweet a pic of Obama holding his Nobel Prize. That'll set Donny off.


Make a new category Nobel Prize for Tweeting … and give it to someone else.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:40 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Trump: "Waaaaaaaa I Want A Nobel Prize!!"

Now we just need someone to Tweet a pic of Obama holding his Nobel Prize. That'll set Donny off.


Make a new category Nobel Prize for Tweeting … and give it to someone else.

For truly Chernobyl level meltdown from Trump give it to Obama.
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Postby The East Marches II » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:42 am

Gormwood wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Make a new category Nobel Prize for Tweeting … and give it to someone else.

For truly Chernobyl level meltdown from Trump give it to Obama.


You can't do an ironic joke twice. It lost its meaning after the first one :^)

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:48 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Gormwood wrote:For truly Chernobyl level meltdown from Trump give it to Obama.


You can't do an ironic joke twice. It lost its meaning after the first one :^)


Should have been my joke. "Someone else" was weak.

Trump does have dick-measuring issues with Obama. If they met naked I suspect Donny would never say another word.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:35 am

Corporistan wrote:US trade deficit falls more than expected to hit lowest level since Trump took office

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/us-trade-deficit-at-43point09b-in-november-vs-43point6b-estimate.html

Trump's trade war with China appears to be working.

sampling: n=1
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:44 am

Corporistan wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:sampling: n=1

Seems we don't need China as much as we've been told we do. Who would of thunk it?

I bet people have been saying it since Nixon did a Commodore Perry on PRC on PRC's terms.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:46 am

Corporistan wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:sampling: n=1

Seems we don't need China as much as we've been told we do. Who would of thunk it?

yeah you'd be right if a. this was the result of the trade war b. the latest data isn't an outlier soon to be revised (it happens) c. this isn't caused by falling commodity prices and/or weakening demand for int'l goods, which is consistent with a slowing economy

if all of this is right then yeah you'd be talking some sense but so far i'd call bullshit
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Corporistan wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:sampling: n=1

Seems we don't need China as much as we've been told we do. Who would of thunk it?


We still have leverage over China for now (but that leverage is quickly slipping away). We should have started this trade war like 25 years ago when we could have actually pummeled China into the ground and ruined them economically for a generation.

But alas, here we are. The dying empire fights for its lasts breaths.
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Bear Stearns wrote:
Corporistan wrote:Seems we don't need China as much as we've been told we do. Who would of thunk it?


We still have leverage over China for now (but that leverage is quickly slipping away). We should have started this trade war like 25 years ago when we could have actually pummeled China into the ground and ruined them economically for a generation.

But alas, here we are. The dying empire fights for its lasts breaths.

But why.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:31 am

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Great Minarchistan wrote:sampling: n=1

Seems we don't need China as much as we've been told we do. Who would of thunk it?


Based on what?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:42 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
We still have leverage over China for now (but that leverage is quickly slipping away). We should have started this trade war like 25 years ago when we could have actually pummeled China into the ground and ruined them economically for a generation.

But alas, here we are. The dying empire fights for its lasts breaths.

But why.

Idk. 19890604 sounds like it was a good time to start revising the then 20 year long policy of buddying up with a slaver state. Y'know, when the "People's" "Liberation" Army was running over and machine gunning students in the streets of Peking with tanks.
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Postby TRUMPVALLEY » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:48 pm

Donald Trump is the 45th President of the United States of America. He ran as head candidate for the "Republican"(GOP) Party back in 2016. Since the election citizens all over the world have claimed that he is a "racist," "dictator," "misogynistic," and a "rapist." Each accusation he has been accused of has never been proven true in court. The speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi said that "we are in a national crisis." On December 18, 2019, Donald Trump was impeached by the "House of Representatives" making him the 3rd president to be impeached beside Bill Clinton and Andrew Johnson. Since the impeachment the speaker Nancy Pelosi has refused to turn over the "Impeachment Articles" to the Senate (which has a Republican majority).

Charges Approved by the House
1.Abuse of Power
2.Obstruction of Congress

On January 3rd, 2020,Trump ordered that Iran's Major General "Qasem Soleimani" will be assassinated in an US drone strike. Since the attack people have been accusing Trump of being the actual terrorist and not Qasem. Qasem was responsible for over 600 US deaths in Iraq. Trump claims the US "killed a monster."

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:38 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
We still have leverage over China for now (but that leverage is quickly slipping away). We should have started this trade war like 25 years ago when we could have actually pummeled China into the ground and ruined them economically for a generation.

But alas, here we are. The dying empire fights for its lasts breaths.

But why.


The sky is falling apparently.

Instead of despairing over the lost opportunity to "pummel" China, perhaps BS should look to the future? Find some other developing nation which isn't a threat yet and pummel them into the ground. Hell just pummel someone cos you can.

Leading me to the point. Trade wars cost both sides 'cos trade is good. Trump trade war is in no way strong enough to destroy another economy (unless it's as small and isolated as Cuba or as sick as Nigeria's or as drained by military spending as Iran's), a more serious effort would come with a cost like 1 point or more off GDP growth in the US, or a recession, because it would spread to other trading partners. The US economy since WWII is built on trade and seriously diminishing that would disrupt the economy at the very least.

The point, finally. Beating up some developing nation because they might pose a threat 25 years hence, would come at a cost unacceptable to the voting public.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:47 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Corporistan wrote:US trade deficit falls more than expected to hit lowest level since Trump took office

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/07/us-trade-deficit-at-43point09b-in-november-vs-43point6b-estimate.html

Trump's trade war with China appears to be working.

sampling: n=1


Too succinct. What I think you're trying to say is that using one month's figures to show a trend is moronic.

Further down the article I note that it's not just lower imports from China, but also higher exports. Which is what you want of course, but they've had some serious tariffs on their side too. It's a bit suspicious that only the US tariffs seem to have "worked".
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:51 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:But why.

Idk. 19890604 sounds like it was a good time to start revising the then 20 year long policy of buddying up with a slaver state. Y'know, when the "People's" "Liberation" Army was running over and machine gunning students in the streets of Peking with tanks.


If you're going to use trade policy as a weapon against every country with human rights abuses you won't have many trade partners left.

Btw, is it just a mistake or are you trying to make a point, by calling the Chinese capital Peking?
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