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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Imperial Joseon
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm glad your fantasies amuse you. Perhaps one day reality will set in, but I've no desire to hold my breath.


I mean you've previously said that people should be imprisoned for voting Democrat, but OK.


Oh, wow. I mean, people should have choice of whom to vote.
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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:03 am

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Here’s your weekly analysis of US politics from a guy who hates every party:

Great week for Trump, disastrous week for Democrats. They need to start getting their act together before the general election, it’s hard to beat Trump when your own party is busier killing itself.

Trump’s approval rating is at its highest point since inauguration, and he’s basically spent the entire week taking a victory lap to “own the libs.” House Dems need to stop being idiots and actually focus on legislation and other stuff people care about


Thats not excatly true.

Aproveal rateings have seen an uptick but as of right now they are nowhere near the enugration rateings.


Telconi wrote:
Genivaria wrote:'The welfare of you and your family'.
Wow that's a deep victim complex you have.


Oh, is this the part where we pretend that parties don't actually have platforms they push? Or some other equally asinine thing?

I see this is the part where Telconi imagines that the dem party platform has a part dectated to destoying him and his famaly.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:10 am

Genivaria wrote:
Telconi wrote:
You're not kidding anybody, I'm sure whatever strawman you were cooking up in your head was plenty absurd though, I'd love to hear it.

Kidding anybody? Your response doesn't even make sense.
Not sure why I'd need to construct a strawman.

All he really cares about are guns and liberal salt.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:41 am

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/07/poli ... index.html

Trump has dismissed Vindman and Sondland, leaving him without an EU ambassador. Another purge of the White House ranks.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:49 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/alex-vindman-donald-trump-impeachment/index.html

Trump has dismissed Vindman and Sondland, leaving him without an EU ambassador. Another purge of the White House ranks.

Textbook dictator and republicans could care less.

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Postby Fahran » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:10 am

San Lumen wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/alex-vindman-donald-trump-impeachment/index.html

Trump has dismissed Vindman and Sondland, leaving him without an EU ambassador. Another purge of the White House ranks.

Textbook dictator and republicans could care less.

How?

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Postby Page » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:16 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/alex-vindman-donald-trump-impeachment/index.html

Trump has dismissed Vindman and Sondland, leaving him without an EU ambassador. Another purge of the White House ranks.


Honestly, I still see all the disorder and incompetence of the Trump regime as a lesser evil than if they had their shit together. The best thing Trump can do for America other than resigning is to play golf at Mar-a-Lago all day every day and ignore his duties. You don't want him filling all these vacant positions, we can see from the ones he has filled that he chooses some very unsavory people.
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Postby Fahran » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:17 am

Albrenia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hopefully the voting public doesnt feel that way but im not optimistic


I share you pessimism on that. If the disgraceful disallowing of evidence and rubber-stamping of acquittal truly did boost Trump's approval rating, it seems our worries are well founded.

The optics of the impeachment weren’t anywhere near as clear as they were under Nixon due in no small part to intense polarization in American political culture, the impression and reality that the opposition has been intent on removing Trump from office since 2016, and the fact that everyone relevant came off looking a little dirty from the investigations. There’s a reason impeachment rapidly declined in popularity in crucial swing states, states that Democrats will now need to win to unseat the president. Few people have any delusions that the Democrats were acting solely as good patriots who cared for rule of law. And that, together with partisanship, has made the entire process a disaster.

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Postby Page » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:21 am

Fahran wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I share you pessimism on that. If the disgraceful disallowing of evidence and rubber-stamping of acquittal truly did boost Trump's approval rating, it seems our worries are well founded.

The optics of the impeachment weren’t anywhere near as clear as they were under Nixon due in no small part to intense polarization in American political culture, the impression and reality that the opposition has been intent on removing Trump from office since 2016, and the fact that everyone relevant came off looking a little dirty from the investigations. There’s a reason impeachment rapidly declined in popularity in crucial swing states, states that Democrats will now need to win to unseat the president. Few people have any delusions that the Democrats were acting solely as good patriots who cared for rule of law. And that, together with partisanship, has made the entire process a disaster.


Such is the reality of our times. I don't see it changing any time soon.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:48 am

Fahran wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Textbook dictator and republicans could care less.

How?

Purging your opposition and those who spoke against you is textbook dictator

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Postby Page » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:53 am

In general, Presidents do as much dictator type stuff as they can get away with, and Trump is worse than usual.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:57 am

Page wrote:In general, Presidents do as much dictator type stuff as they can get away with, and Trump is worse than usual.

If he loses re-election he’s not going to accept defeat and I wonder if Republicans in Congress will stand behind him in lockstep. It no longer seems out of the realm of possibility

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:58 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/07/politics/alex-vindman-donald-trump-impeachment/index.html

Trump has dismissed Vindman and Sondland, leaving him without an EU ambassador. Another purge of the White House ranks.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:08 am

Fahran wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I share you pessimism on that. If the disgraceful disallowing of evidence and rubber-stamping of acquittal truly did boost Trump's approval rating, it seems our worries are well founded.

The optics of the impeachment weren’t anywhere near as clear as they were under Nixon due in no small part to intense polarization in American political culture, the impression and reality that the opposition has been intent on removing Trump from office since 2016, and the fact that everyone relevant came off looking a little dirty from the investigations. There’s a reason impeachment rapidly declined in popularity in crucial swing states, states that Democrats will now need to win to unseat the president. Few people have any delusions that the Democrats were acting solely as good patriots who cared for rule of law. And that, together with partisanship, has made the entire process a disaster.

Don't be disingenuous. Watergate didn't end with the Republicans admitting the Democrats proved their case against Nixon and acquitting him anyways.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:10 am

Gormwood wrote:
Fahran wrote:The optics of the impeachment weren’t anywhere near as clear as they were under Nixon due in no small part to intense polarization in American political culture, the impression and reality that the opposition has been intent on removing Trump from office since 2016, and the fact that everyone relevant came off looking a little dirty from the investigations. There’s a reason impeachment rapidly declined in popularity in crucial swing states, states that Democrats will now need to win to unseat the president. Few people have any delusions that the Democrats were acting solely as good patriots who cared for rule of law. And that, together with partisanship, has made the entire process a disaster.

Don't be disingenuous. Watergate didn't end with the Republicans admitting the Democrats proved their case against Nixon and acquitting him anyways.

If Nixon was President today he would have not resigned and been acquitted

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Don't be disingenuous. Watergate didn't end with the Republicans admitting the Democrats proved their case against Nixon and acquitting him anyways.

If Nixon was President today he would have not resigned and been acquitted


because he didnt really do anything wrong.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:14 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If Nixon was President today he would have not resigned and been acquitted


because he didnt really do anything wrong.

Yeah, sure, you resign when you do nothing wrong and are about to be impeached for Doing Nothing Wrong.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:17 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If Nixon was President today he would have not resigned and been acquitted


because he didnt really do anything wrong.


How so? I guess the president is now a king and can do no wrong . If he loses in November and refuses to accept defeat I wonder if Republicans will stand behind him in lockstep even if they have lost their own elections. It no longer seems out of the realm of possibility

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:20 am

San Lumen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
because he didnt really do anything wrong.


How so? I guess the president is now a king and can do no wrong . If he loses in November and refuses to accept defeat I wonder if Republicans will stand behind him in lockstep even if they have lost their own elections. It no longer seems out of the realm of possibility


oh is he a king now?

really?

or is this one of your exaggerations normally found in a fucking parody.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:20 am

San Lumen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
because he didnt really do anything wrong.


How so? I guess the president is now a king and can do no wrong . If he loses in November and refuses to accept defeat I wonder if Republicans will stand behind him in lockstep even if they have lost their own elections. It no longer seems out of the realm of possibility

Don't worry loose or win the election Trump is not going to declare himself dictator for life. He needs the military leaders and troops behind him to back him up.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:25 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How so? I guess the president is now a king and can do no wrong . If he loses in November and refuses to accept defeat I wonder if Republicans will stand behind him in lockstep even if they have lost their own elections. It no longer seems out of the realm of possibility


oh is he a king now?

really?

or is this one of your exaggerations normally found in a fucking parody.

Well republicans seem to believe he can do no wrong. Why wouldn’t they stand behind his claims of fraud and support him not leaving office?

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:28 am

San Lumen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
oh is he a king now?

really?

or is this one of your exaggerations normally found in a fucking parody.

Well republicans seem to believe he can do no wrong. Why wouldn’t they stand behind his claims of fraud and support him not leaving office?


because clearly they are all madmen who want to be dukes and barons!
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:29 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well republicans seem to believe he can do no wrong. Why wouldn’t they stand behind his claims of fraud and support him not leaving office?


because clearly they are all madmen who want to be dukes and barons!

You didn’t answer the question

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:32 am

San Lumen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
because clearly they are all madmen who want to be dukes and barons!

You didn’t answer the question


i did.

just not a serious answer.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:32 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well republicans seem to believe he can do no wrong. Why wouldn’t they stand behind his claims of fraud and support him not leaving office?


because clearly they are all madmen who want to be dukes and barons!


If McConnell thought he could get away with it, he would definitely abolish any pretense of American democracy and your first thought would be "lol that's funny" and then gloat about it.
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