MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[The East Marches II]

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So are you going to explain what their actual motivations are or just keep asserting that they're anti-semitic because they want Palestinian Self Determination?

You are always going on about the vaguest evidence means white supremacists are in charge, why do you suddenly change that standard of evidence when we've plenty of quotes from the leadership and it's ties to anti-semetic people. Infact, far more so than what you usually decide as being necessary to decry something as racist. Do you even have standards?

[Fahran]

So are you going to explain what their actual motivations are or just keep asserting that they're anti-semitic because they want Palestinian Self Determination?

Because the organizers are racists who want to employ our public institutions to discriminate against a particular political community on the basis of their national and ethnic origin. Discriminating against people on the basis of their ethnic or national origin is not kosher under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Trump is setting what was implied up until now in stone. That's it. Honestly, BDS might even be protected under the new law so long as they don't oppose Jewish self-determination.

[Vassenor]

So are you going to explain what their actual motivations are or just keep asserting that they're anti-semitic because they want Palestinian Self Determination?

Because the organizers are racists who want to employ our public institutions to discriminate against a particular political community on the basis of their national and ethnic origin. Discriminating against people on the basis of their ethnic or national origin is not kosher under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Trump is setting what was implied up until now in stone. That's it. Honestly, BDS might even be protected under the new law so long as they don't oppose Jewish self-determination.

So who is discriminated against? And how is killing Palestinians essential to Jewish Self Determination?

[Fahran]

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Two opinion pieces. Welp I'm convinced.

I mean... we have legal definitions of Antisemitism as well. But you seem to think all of those are wrong.

[Fahran]

So who is discriminated against? And how is killing Palestinians essential to Jewish Self Determination?

Jews and Israelis. It's not.

[Valrifell]

Because the organizers are racists who want to employ our public institutions to discriminate against a particular political community on the basis of their national and ethnic origin. Discriminating against people on the basis of their ethnic or national origin is not kosher under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Trump is setting what was implied up until now in stone. That's it. Honestly, BDS might even be protected under the new law so long as they don't oppose Jewish self-determination.

So who is discriminated against? And how is killing Palestinians essential to Jewish Self Determination?

If you're not going to engage with the point why even bother being in the thread

[The East Marches II]

Trump is more liberal on the Jews than most progressives. Truly a champion of civil rights in this instance.

He really is. That's why Vassenor and Gauthier's compliants are so shocking. I thought they were against discrimination :^)

[Gormwood]

So are you going to explain what their actual motivations are or just keep asserting that they're anti-semitic because they want Palestinian Self Determination?

Because the organizers are racists who want to employ our public institutions to discriminate against a particular political community on the basis of their national and ethnic origin. Discriminating against people on the basis of their ethnic or national origin is not kosher under the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Trump is setting what was implied up until now in stone. That's it. Honestly, BDS might even be protected under the new law so long as they don't oppose Jewish self-determination.

Is B.D.S. Anti-Semitic? A Closer Look at the Boycott Israel Campaign

Is B.D.S. working?

In the most tangible ways, not so much. Despite scattered pullouts from Israel by some companies, foreign direct investment in Israel is at an all-time high. Israel’s economy is well-suited to resist boycotts because it is less dependent on exports of commodities, which can be sourced elsewhere, than on sales of intellectual property, like software, and business-to-business products, against which it is harder to mobilize consumers. And while Ireland advanced legislation to ban imports of goods produced by Israeli settlements on the West Bank last year, the B.D.S. movement acknowledges that few foreign governments have imposed sanctions on Israel.

So yeah, trying to ban BDS is on an intellectual brilliance right up there with calling for the banning of Communist Party USA.

[Vassenor]

So who is discriminated against? And how is killing Palestinians essential to Jewish Self Determination?

Jews and Israelis. It's not.

So you're admitting that protesting Israel's treatment of Palestinians is in fact not detrimental to Jewish Self Determination?

[Fahran]

So you're admitting that protesting Israel's treatment of Palestinians is in fact not detrimental to Jewish Self Determination?

I never argued that it was. I argued that BDS specifically is hostile to Jewish self-determination. And it is. And Trump actually acknowledging that is what has caused all this fuss because Antisemites want to have a place in our public institutions and keep pretending to be victims.

[Vassenor]

So you're admitting that protesting Israel's treatment of Palestinians is in fact not detrimental to Jewish Self Determination?

I never argued that it was. I argued that BDS specifically is hostile to Jewish self-determination. And it is. And Trump actually acknowledging that is what has caused all this fuss because Antisemites want to have a place in our public institutions and keep pretending to be victims.

And how is it hostile to Jewish Self Determination?

[The East Marches II]

Jews and Israelis. It's not.

So you're admitting that protesting Israel's treatment of Palestinians is in fact not detrimental to Jewish Self Determination?

Are you going to bother engaging with what they said, it is really reflecting poorly on your position :^)

[Fahran]

So yeah, trying to ban BDS is on an intellectual brilliance right up there with calling for the banning of Communist Party USA.

"It's not working" isn't a justification for trying to discreetly violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

[The East Marches II]

So yeah, trying to ban BDS is on an intellectual brilliance right up there with calling for the banning of Communist Party USA.

"It's not working" isn't a justification for trying to discreetly violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

One can only imagine if we replaced jew with African-American in the scenarios and words, what horrific outrage and indignation our fine fellow Gauthier would respond with. It is apparently ok so long as it's a group he cares not for :^)

[Nakena]

It's well known that BDS provides an umbrella for antisemitic agitation on the politically correct and acceptable ranges of the mainstream political spectrum.

[Vassenor]

Also I find it funny that an EO that basically writes the Dual Loyalties trope into law is supposed to be anti-anti-semitism.

[Fahran]

And how is it hostile to Jewish Self Determination?

Because its founder notably supports a one-state solution that would dismantle Israel and a good portion of its membership are activists who hold a similar view. Anti-Zionism, while you continue to support national self-determination for other ethnic and national groups, is almost indistinguishable from Antisemitism. If BDS got what it wanted, it would do considerable harm to Jewish and Israeli students. So, yeah, it violates their civil rights.

[The East Marches II]

Also I find it funny that an EO that basically writes the Dual Loyalties trope into law is supposed to be anti-anti-semitism.

You mean expands civil rights protections. Please don't misrepresent things :^)

[Gormwood]

So yeah, trying to ban BDS is on an intellectual brilliance right up there with calling for the banning of Communist Party USA.

"It's not working" isn't a justification for trying to discreetly violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Unless a Jewish business is somehow actually endangered by the boycott that's a bullshit pretense to violate the First Amendment.

[Fahran]

Also I find it funny that an EO that basically writes the Dual Loyalties trope into law is supposed to be anti-anti-semitism.

Except this isn't alleging that American Jews have any loyalty to Israel. It's merely asserting that Jews generally have a right to national self-determination if they desire to pursue it. BDS is hostile to that right and so is engaged in discrimination against Jews, even those who have no desire to exercise that right.

[Gormwood]

Also I find it funny that an EO that basically writes the Dual Loyalties trope into law is supposed to be anti-anti-semitism.

Except this isn't alleging that American Jews have any loyalty to Israel. It's merely asserting that Jews generally have a right to national self-determination if they desire to pursue it. BDS is hostile to that right and so is engaged in discrimination against Jews, even those who have no desire to exercise that right.

Trumpsplaining.

[Nakena]

Also I find it funny that an EO that basically writes the Dual Loyalties trope into law is supposed to be anti-anti-semitism.

Thats an awful interpretation.

Jews as ethno-religious group and Israelis are different things. Like theres Israelis who aren't jews. (Druzes who serve in IDF for example) Also theres jews who aren't israelis. (For an extreme example, the Islamic Republic of Iran has a dedicated jewish rep in their parliament)

[The East Marches II]

"It's not working" isn't a justification for trying to discreetly violate the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Unless a Jewish business is somehow actually endangered by the boycott that's a bullshit pretense to violate the First Amendment.

I'm so glad you took the Southern approach to the Civil Rights Act. I'll have to remember that the next time you go on about how choosing who to serve is racist :^)

[Fahran]

Unless a Jewish business is somehow actually endangered by the boycott that's a bullshit pretense to violate the First Amendment.

You can't engage in hate speech on most university campuses without repurcussions, Gauth. If I tried to discriminate against black or Arab students and failed, I'd still get whacked by many university administrations for being a bigot.

[The East Marches II]

Except this isn't alleging that American Jews have any loyalty to Israel. It's merely asserting that Jews generally have a right to national self-determination if they desire to pursue it. BDS is hostile to that right and so is engaged in discrimination against Jews, even those who have no desire to exercise that right.

Trumpsplaining.

Bravo! Excellent reply!