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Which would be your favored candidate for the 2020 Republican Party presidential nomination?

Donald Trump
47
27%
Rocky De La Fuente
5
3%
Joe Walsh
4
2%
Bill Weld
23
13%
Bob Ely
0
No votes
Zoltan Istvan
6
3%
None of the above/other
30
17%
David Hasselhoff
58
34%
 
Total votes : 173

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:54 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Can we just end this shit on the note that ownership and deployment of 340 kiloton yield B61's should be permitted to the general populace, in the spirit of ending this experiment as fast as possible?


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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:54 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Can we just end this shit on the note that ownership and deployment of 340 kiloton yield B61's should be permitted to the general populace, in the spirit of ending this experiment as fast as possible?

Let's not and say we did.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:56 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And the Senate just confirmed a white supremacist and islamaphobe and homophobe to the 2nd circuit who has never tried a case in his life. How do these people sleep at night? It would be better if the Senate was rendered unable to function for awhile.


werent you saying a while ago that shutting down the government is a stupid move.


He also said that disrespecting elected officials meant someone hated "Free and fair elections"
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The American government has been mocking the constitution for decades. People only care now because orange man bad.
Your intentions are only made clearer when you find judges you disagree with to be terrible people.

Bumbling along is arguably better than having both legs broken.

And the Senate just confirmed a white supremacist and islamaphobe and homophobe to the 2nd circuit who has never tried a case in his life. How do these people sleep at night? It would be better if the Senate was rendered unable to function for awhile.

"Everyone I don't like is a white supremacist, Islamophobic, and homophobic."
Don't fall for lies so quickly.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:58 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And the Senate just confirmed a white supremacist and islamaphobe and homophobe to the 2nd circuit who has never tried a case in his life. How do these people sleep at night? It would be better if the Senate was rendered unable to function for awhile.

"Everyone I don't like is a white supremacist, Islamophobic, and homophobic."
Don't fall for lies so quickly.

Thats not what I said and you know it.

here's your proof of my statement: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... trump.html

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
werent you saying a while ago that shutting down the government is a stupid move.


He also said that disrespecting elected officials meant someone hated "Free and fair elections"

wow.

disrespecting elected officials? that is the american past time.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:"Everyone I don't like is a white supremacist, Islamophobic, and homophobic."
Don't fall for lies so quickly.

Thats not what I said and you know it.

here's your proof of my statement: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... trump.html

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:"Everyone I don't like is a white supremacist, Islamophobic, and homophobic."
Don't fall for lies so quickly.

Thats not what I said and you know it.

here's your proof of my statement: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... trump.html

>Slate
Got any real sources?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:00 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He also said that disrespecting elected officials meant someone hated "Free and fair elections"

wow.

disrespecting elected officials? that is the american past time.

Not what I said either

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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:wow.

disrespecting elected officials? that is the american past time.

Not what I said either


Denying past statements is the bread and butter of politics, you ought to run for elected office.
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Postby Zurkerx » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:23 pm

Nearly half in poll say they struggle to determine if information is true.

Not surprising considering the fake stuff going around. However, this is the concerning part:

Democrats said they were more likely to lean on scientists and academics to determine if a piece of information is true, while Republicans said they are more likely to trust what they hear from President Trump.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:39 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Nearly half in poll say they struggle to determine if information is true.

Not surprising considering the fake stuff going around. However, this is the concerning part:

Democrats said they were more likely to lean on scientists and academics to determine if a piece of information is true, while Republicans said they are more likely to trust what they hear from President Trump.

America has had an issue with listening to scientists for a while now.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:50 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Nearly half in poll say they struggle to determine if information is true.

Not surprising considering the fake stuff going around. However, this is the concerning part:

Democrats said they were more likely to lean on scientists and academics to determine if a piece of information is true, while Republicans said they are more likely to trust what they hear from President Trump.

America has had an issue with listening to scientists for a while now.

We're advanced enough that I can't sell radium water as a health product.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:51 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Nearly half in poll say they struggle to determine if information is true.

Not surprising considering the fake stuff going around. However, this is the concerning part:

Democrats said they were more likely to lean on scientists and academics to determine if a piece of information is true, while Republicans said they are more likely to trust what they hear from President Trump.

America has had an issue with listening to scientists for a while now.


Rather this is an issue depends on the scientist, some aren't worth listening to.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:America has had an issue with listening to scientists for a while now.


Rather this is an issue depends on the scientist, some aren't worth listening to.


Some cases that is true. However, Neutraligon is correct. Americans in general have problem listening to scientists.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:America has had an issue with listening to scientists for a while now.

We're advanced enough that I can't sell radium water as a health product.


Are we? You will find more then a few people who will use it if the label says it’s a health product.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:29 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Thats not what I said and you know it.

here's your proof of my statement: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... trump.html

>Slate
Got any real sources?

That's not a real source?

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Postby Galloism » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Nearly half in poll say they struggle to determine if information is true.

Not surprising considering the fake stuff going around. However, this is the concerning part:

Democrats said they were more likely to lean on scientists and academics to determine if a piece of information is true, while Republicans said they are more likely to trust what they hear from President Trump.

America has had an issue with listening to scientists for a while now.

There have been some problems.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:>Slate
Got any real sources?

That's not a real source?


Almost as real as Breitbart.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:11 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:America has had an issue with listening to scientists for a while now.

There have been some problems.


Which is an interesting point. Science, in it's essence, deals with facts, and therefore is trustworthy. Scientists, on the other hand, are people, subject to all of the failings thereof.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:37 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and that's coercion how?

You'd be bringing the entire Senate to a grinding halt to procure a vote against the will of the senators in office. I suggest you indulge in fewer fantasies where Republicans are rendered completely powerless.


You mean like how Mitch has ground the Senate to a halt by refusing to allow any Democrat-passed House bills to be put to vote?
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Postby Kowani » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:40 am

Telconi wrote:


Which is an interesting point. Science, in it's essence, deals with facts, and therefore is trustworthy. Scientists, on the other hand, are people, subject to all of the failings thereof.

Now this is a deepity.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:44 am

Telconi wrote:


Which is an interesting point. Science, in it's essence, deals with facts, and therefore is trustworthy. Scientists, on the other hand, are people, subject to all of the failings thereof.

Which would be a valid point if scientists were criticised for their methods, which can be found in each paper. However, this is not the case. Scientists are mainly criticised for being scientists, usually with no actual material argument being made about a specific study.

“You are a scientist, and therefore I will mistrust your work, but I won’t actually go i to the study to see what was wrong. I just assume it is”
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:59 am

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Postby Telconi » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:07 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Which is an interesting point. Science, in it's essence, deals with facts, and therefore is trustworthy. Scientists, on the other hand, are people, subject to all of the failings thereof.

Which would be a valid point if scientists were criticised for their methods, which can be found in each paper. However, this is not the case. Scientists are mainly criticised for being scientists, usually with no actual material argument being made about a specific study.

“You are a scientist, and therefore I will mistrust your work, but I won’t actually go i to the study to see what was wrong. I just assume it is”


So it's a valid point, thank you.
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