MAGAThread XVII: All Things NOT Impeachment

[San Lumen]

on what evidence? because multiple witnesses say he is unless you think they are committing perjury which is a crime

Look at the darned transcript of the phone call. He quite simply did nothing wrong. And by the way, that's not how the justice system works. You're innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

He literally said I want you to do me a favor. People have testified he held up aid in exchange for an investigation into Biden. He literally called on the White House Lawn for China and Ukraine to interfere in our election. That is illegal under US law.

[Kowani]

on what evidence? because multiple witnesses say he is unless you think they are committing perjury which is a crime

Look at the darned transcript of the phone call. He quite simply did nothing wrong. And by the way, that's not how the justice system works. You're innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There-are a lot. of things that went on, the·
:whole situation..a[…]There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.

Sounds like he’s asking for information to me.
The thing is, that’s illegal.

[Telconi]

Look at the darned transcript of the phone call. He quite simply did nothing wrong. And by the way, that's not how the justice system works. You're innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There-are a lot. of things that went on, the·
:whole situation..a[…]There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.

Sounds like he’s asking for information to me.
The thing is, that’s illegal.

But is it Treason, Bribery, or another high crime of misdemeanor?

[Kowani]

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There-are a lot. of things that went on, the·
:whole situation..a[…]There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.

Sounds like he’s asking for information to me.
The thing is, that’s illegal.

But is it Treason, Bribery, or another high crime of misdemeanor?

You could definitely make a case for bribery.

And considering that “Other high crimes and misdemeanors” is left open to fit literally anything…

[Antityranicals]

Look at the darned transcript of the phone call. He quite simply did nothing wrong. And by the way, that's not how the justice system works. You're innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

He literally said I want you to do me a favor. People have testified he held up aid in exchange for an investigation into Biden. He literally called on the White House Lawn for China and Ukraine to interfere in our election. That is illegal under US law.

No, he didn't. He asked for the president's help in getting to the bottom of certain criminal acts of Americans. That falls squarely underneath the president's duty to "Take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

[Antityranicals]

Look at the darned transcript of the phone call. He quite simply did nothing wrong. And by the way, that's not how the justice system works. You're innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

The· President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There-are a lot. of things that went on, the·
:whole situation..a[…]There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.

Sounds like he’s asking for information to me.
The thing is, that’s illegal.

No it isn't! How is asking for information illegal? That doesn't even make sense!

[Greater Miami Shores]

I think this thread is about President Trump being guilty or not guilty that is the question of the this thread, or should be the question of this thread. guilty or not guilty, I say not guilty.

on what evidence? because multiple witnesses say he is unless you think they are committing perjury which is a crime

Their are witnesses who think President Trump is not guilty. The Republicans want to call witnesses who will testify to this. But Democrat Adam Schiff and the Democrat in the committee who control the process, get to block any witnesses they don't like that the Republicans wish to ask to testify in defense of President Trump.

Schiff's Kangaroo political court trial against President Trump for political reasons against him. As you say, in a democracy we all have a right to disagree. No one has a right to tell others what is right or wrong, this is how democracy works. Because in a democracy everyone has a right to disagree. We disagree on this Trump issue. But we agree on the right to disagree, no pun intended.

No canned response intended in this case.

[Antityranicals]

But is it Treason, Bribery, or another high crime of misdemeanor?

You could definitely make a case for bribery.

And considering that “Other high crimes and misdemeanors” is left open to fit literally anything…

You could not make a case for bribery. Mr. Trump never offered Ukraine or its president anything.

[Spirit of Hope]

You could definitely make a case for bribery.

And considering that “Other high crimes and misdemeanors” is left open to fit literally anything…

You could not make a case for bribery. Mr. Trump never offered Ukraine or its president anything.

He withheld aid, and he conditioned the return of aid and a white house meeting on an investigation into the Biden's is the argument. Since then we have had testimony that those close to the President, including the Ambassador to the EU, explicitly made a quid pro quo of aid for an investigation.

[Antityranicals]

Under the take care clause, which states that the president shall "Take care that the laws be faithfully executed," not only was Mr. Trump's phone call not illegal, but it was actually a part of his duties as President of the United States.

[Antityranicals]

You could not make a case for bribery. Mr. Trump never offered Ukraine or its president anything.

He withheld aid, and he conditioned the return of aid and a white house meeting on an investigation into the Biden's is the argument. Since then we have had testimony that those close to the President, including the Ambassador to the EU, explicitly made a quid pro quo of aid for an investigation.

He did not withhold aid! Read the transcript! That's a straight lie!

[Spirit of Hope]

Under the take care clause, which states that the president shall "Take care that the laws be faithfully executed," not only was Mr. Trump's phone call not illegal, but it was actually a part of his duties as President of the United States.

It's part of the duties of President of the United States to withhold aid voted for by Congress in exchange for an investigation of a political rival? Let us not forget that there is no evidence that this Political rival committed any crime, and no ongoing US investigation into the behavior in question.

[Kowani]

You could definitely make a case for bribery.

And considering that “Other high crimes and misdemeanors” is left open to fit literally anything…

You could not make a case for bribery. Mr. Trump never offered Ukraine or its president anything.

Factually wrong, as admitted by the president’s own team.

[Antityranicals]

Under the take care clause, which states that the president shall "Take care that the laws be faithfully executed," not only was Mr. Trump's phone call not illegal, but it was actually a part of his duties as President of the United States.

It's part of the duties of President of the United States to withhold aid voted for by Congress in exchange for an investigation of a political rival? Let us not forget that there is no evidence that this Political rival committed any crime, and no ongoing US investigation into the behavior in question.

He never withheld aid! It simply never happened!

[Spirit of Hope]

He withheld aid, and he conditioned the return of aid and a white house meeting on an investigation into the Biden's is the argument. Since then we have had testimony that those close to the President, including the Ambassador to the EU, explicitly made a quid pro quo of aid for an investigation.

He did not withhold aid! Read the transcript! That's a straight lie!

President Trump didn't withhold the aid? I mean President Trump himself has said he withheld aid, and has changed the story as to why he withheld the aid.

[Ifreann]

He withheld aid, and he conditioned the return of aid and a white house meeting on an investigation into the Biden's is the argument. Since then we have had testimony that those close to the President, including the Ambassador to the EU, explicitly made a quid pro quo of aid for an investigation.

He did not withhold aid! Read the transcript! That's a straight lie!

It's right there in the transcripts, man. Zelensky talks about buying more missiles, Trump says "Do us a favour though".

[Greater Miami Shores]

He literally said I want you to do me a favor. People have testified he held up aid in exchange for an investigation into Biden. He literally called on the White House Lawn for China and Ukraine to interfere in our election. That is illegal under US law.

No, he didn't. He asked for the president's help in getting to the bottom of certain criminal acts of Americans. That falls squarely underneath the president's duty to "Take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

I agre with you.

Antitryranicals the leftists anti Trumpers are never going to agree with us on Trump.

No matter what comments we make, what articles we post, what sources we post, or what videos that speak for themselves we present. Trust me on this one, I have tried very hard, and it does not work. They all tell me my comments, articles and sources are wrong and they are right because they have the truth on their side. At least one or more fellow nation of ours has told me this, in many similar ways, trust me on this one.

Many even make fun of my posts to me and to each other, as their posts to me and to each other proves my point, but they deny it. I give up, this is just figure of speech.

[Kowani]

He withheld aid, and he conditioned the return of aid and a white house meeting on an investigation into the Biden's is the argument. Since then we have had testimony that those close to the President, including the Ambassador to the EU, explicitly made a quid pro quo of aid for an investigation.

He did not withhold aid! Read the transcript! That's a straight lie!

Factually wrong.

[Antityranicals]

You could not make a case for bribery. Mr. Trump never offered Ukraine or its president anything.

Factually wrong, as admitted by the president’s own team.

I don't care if Mike Pence himself said it, it doesn't make it true! Why don't you read the transcript? I'm not at all surprised that members of Trump's team caved, or that they didn't know the facts of the case, and simply believed the media narrative.

[Gormwood]

You could definitely make a case for bribery.

And considering that “Other high crimes and misdemeanors” is left open to fit literally anything…

You could not make a case for bribery. Mr. Trump never offered Ukraine or its president anything.

"Announce you're going to investigate the Bidens or I'll withhold the Congressional money you need to defend against Russia" sounds less like a bribe than extortion.

[Spirit of Hope]

No, he didn't. He asked for the president's help in getting to the bottom of certain criminal acts of Americans. That falls squarely underneath the president's duty to "Take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

Antitryranicals the leftists anti Trumpers are never going to agree with us on Trump.

No matter what comments we make, what articles we post, what sources we post, or what videos that speak for themselves we present. Trust me on this one, I have tried very hard, and it does not work. They all tell me my comments, articles and sources are wrong and they are right because they have the truth on their side. At least one or more fellow nation of ours has told this, in many similar ways, trust me on this one.

Provide us a source that President Trump didn't withhold aid, and that their was an ongoing US investigation into misconduct by Hunter and Joe Biden that needed Ukrainian cooperation.

[Antityranicals]

He did not withhold aid! Read the transcript! That's a straight lie!

Factually wrong.

I don't care what the Washington Post says in your faulty link, it's not in the transcript, so it didn't happen. You're citing fake news.

[Spirit of Hope]

Factually wrong, as admitted by the president’s own team.

I don't care if Mike Pence himself said it, it doesn't make it true! Why don't you read the transcript? I'm not at all surprised that members of Trump's team caved, or that they didn't know the facts of the case, and simply believed the media narrative.

Wait so the President saying he withheld aid is the President lying? You do realize that the withholding of aid wasn't mentioned in the transcript?

[Antityranicals]

I don't care if Mike Pence himself said it, it doesn't make it true! Why don't you read the transcript? I'm not at all surprised that members of Trump's team caved, or that they didn't know the facts of the case, and simply believed the media narrative.

I also read the transcript, before the media pounced, it's true. Factually.

Quote where in the transcript Mr. Trump threatens to withhold aid. If you can, I'll admit I'm wrong. But I literally just reread it, to make sure I wasn't making a fool of myself.

[Antityranicals]

I don't care if Mike Pence himself said it, it doesn't make it true! Why don't you read the transcript? I'm not at all surprised that members of Trump's team caved, or that they didn't know the facts of the case, and simply believed the media narrative.

Wait so the President saying he withheld aid is the President lying? You do realize that the withholding of aid wasn't mentioned in the transcript?

It wasn't, because the President didn't withhold aid. It's not complex.